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    Unhappy Omega-3 content of Purina feeds?

    I'm a bit obsessive/compulsive about my horses' diet - yes, I'm totally into FeedXL

    I emailed Purina in Canada enquiring about Omega-3 in Equilizer and Integri-T, and received the following reply:

    Thank you for your patience regarding your question about how much Omega 3 was in Integri T and Equilizer. As indicated before, flax is our source of Omega 3.
    After consulting with our formulation department, the exact amount of Omega 3 in each product is considered a private component of the company’s formulation and therefore not open to hand out due to competition rules.
    Also one of the other factors is depending on how much of each product you are feeding to a particular size and breed of horse will allow for some variances of what each horse actually obtains.
    If you feed according to tag recommendations, you will get the amount of Omega 3 we feel is appropriate for most horses. If you are lowballing the amount of either product , than you may not reach the desired amounts and may wish to supplement with additional Omega 3 products such as milled flax etc.

    I respect proprietary formulations but I'm disappointed by this answer If I don't know how much omega-3 they think is appropriate, how do I know whether/how much to supplement? It's not like there's consensus on dietary requirements.

    What do you all think?



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    I am feeding smartpak omega 3 to my old and young guy amoung some other supplements. I love their coats after about 3 weeks. I am also taking Omega 3 supplements, love the benefits. I checked the charts at smarkpak for my 2 supplements. I like the charts...



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    Since, as you mentioned, there is no consensus on many nutrients (especially Omega-3s) then how would knowing how much is in one product or another really help you, practically speaking?

    Grass is loaded with Omega 3s, and horses can also manufacture some by themselves. Their putative benefits are legion, but I don't think actual deficiency is a significant problem in reality.

    It's on about page 163 of my list of things to worry about. If you want a bunch of Omega 3, chuck in a cup of flax seed.
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    True, Deltawave - my logic is flawed Maybe it was the "we know better and we're not telling" answer that put me off.

    Easier question, then. Will good old el-cheapo whole flax do the job, or does it have to be ground?



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    Whole flax is perfectly fine. Promise
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    Quote Originally Posted by cada931 View Post
    Easier question, then. Will good old el-cheapo whole flax do the job, or does it have to be ground?
    Whole is fine. I feed 1 cup of whole flax seed with alfalfa cubes, and I have yet to see an unground seed in a poop pile. This leads me to believe they are being chewed and digested.

    Also, my mare typically resembles a wire haired terrier with her winter coat...this year, her winter coat is coming in, and its soft as a baby's bottom and shiny to boot!

    I started them on the flax in the spring so it took a hair change cycle to really notice. I definitely notice a change in her winter coat coming in!
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    If you grind it you may get a small increase in bio-availability, but it's a bloody nuisance and flaxseed is cheap so I just give more of the whole stuff--a cup a day will do the trick for nice, soft shiny coats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
    Whole is fine. I feed 1 cup of whole flax seed with alfalfa cubes, and I have yet to see an unground seed in a poop pile. This leads me to believe they are being chewed and digested.
    That's some very dedicated bio-availability research!

    Thanks all - at the risk of rehashing common thread topics, what's the best/cheapest source?



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    Flax seed? Try your feed store or a place that specializes in bird feeding. If they don't have it, they can readily order it. Buying at grocery and "whole foods" sources is nuts--about double or triple the price. Last I priced it at the feed store a 50# bag was $35 IIRC. At a cup a day the bag should last about 8 months.

    Some seeds DO come through, as evidenced by flax plants "blooming" in manure piles. But certainly not all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cada931 View Post
    That's some very dedicated bio-availability research!
    I've done it! I've done it for flax, oats, and boss

    Thanks all - at the risk of rehashing common thread topics, what's the best/cheapest source?
    The smaller the quantity, usually the more $/oz. So, you'll want to find 40/50lb bags when possible. Kept dry and cool, whole grains/seeds generally last a really, really long time.

    Check regular feedstores - not like TSC or something like, that a local feed mill or similar. They're most likely to have it and if not, most likely to have access to special ordering it. IME
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    I pay $32.00 for a 50 lb bag at my local feedstore
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    They probably cannot give you the exact number because Purina is not a fixed formula feed; while most batches are probably very similar, exact ingredients and amounts are going to vary at least slightly.
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    They SHOULD be able to give a number though - despite not being a fixed formula, it still should be a fixed/guaranteed analysis. So while ingredients can and do sometimes vary - usually more in quantities than in types - the 12% protein will still be met, guaranteed batch to batch. It's just that the how of getting there can vary
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    Comparing super-houses: Nutrina's feeds are not product/ingrediant specific, but nutritionally the same batch to batch.

    Purina is probably the same. Don't be shy in calling the Purina rep for more info.



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    If I hear any more from Purina I will let you know.



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    I'm wondering how difficult it might be to give a "set" number in milligrams per pound, for instance, for EPA, DHA and the like in foods since a lot of the precursor to the Omega 3s (ALA) can either be used as energy OR converted to DHA, depending on the needs of the body at that moment.

    It's not quite like biotin or manganese, where there is just the one nutrient in isolation.

    I still think it's very nearly useless to either have or to publish this sort of data since there is no real accepted amount that is required for horses AFAIK.
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    Purina don't know what is in the feed batch to batch so how can they tell you?
    Would be the last company on my list of feeds to feed my horse.
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    Of course Purina knows - they made it

    They have a guaranteed analysis they have to meet. They buy the ingredients to put in it. If they swap ingredients (which they can do, it's not a fixed formula) then they have to test what's there in order to make the guaranteed analysis match what's on the label.
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    There are two sides to the "fixed formula vs. fixed nutrients" argument. If there is a fixed formula that MUST contain oats and the only oats available are crummy ones with poor levels of nutrients, that is in no way "better" than a fixed nutrient formula where the ingredients might vary but the nutrition does not. Horses with allergies being the glaring exception here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltawave View Post
    There are two sides to the "fixed formula vs. fixed nutrients" argument. If there is a fixed formula that MUST contain oats and the only oats available are crummy ones with poor levels of nutrients, that is in no way "better" than a fixed nutrient formula where the ingredients might vary but the nutrition does not. Horses with allergies being the glaring exception here.
    Deltawave, thank you for that comment...so true. I have commented on here before, I am a consultant for Purina Mills and a past equine field specialist. We could debate about the fixed formula vs consistent nutrition fomulations but the bottom line is the products being referred to in this post are Canadian Purina products and FYI - for those on here commenting from America, the products and the company that are being referred to are separate from the United States Purina company. Agribrands (the company that makes Nutrena) is the company that owns the Purina brand outside the United States and the products as well as the way they are manufactured are entirely different so I don't know if they do of if they don't use fixed formulas there.



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