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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Heck, I've worked jobs here in the US where I worked each Christmas. Many people do. Having Christmas off is really nice, but not having it off isn't horrendous.
    Re the article...I have no problem with a private company having whatever days off it wants. And 80% of the union voted for it, so apparently the employees wanted it as well.
    Yup, QA/product support engineer for income tax software. The last year was with the company I worked Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years weekends and probably labor day too. Veterans day, MLK or as it is in VA Lee Jackson King day, presidents day and Columbus day were regular days for everyone in the facility. Because I was on salary I didn't get holiday pay, comp time or overtime. One way or another you deal with it. I quit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    Koranic thinking like what? Praying? Fasting? Giving to charity? Living inside your means (not taking out or giving interest-bearing loans)? Would you be more specific about your concerns?

    Paula
    Concerns:

    1. The strong caste system. Muslim males stand at the top, with women in second place, "People of the Book" (Christians and Jews) in third, and pagans in fourth. This means that only Muslim males may hold certain jobs (like religious leaders, lawyers, etc.).

    2. Islamic religious law applied to non-Muslims. Perhaps you remember multiple instances in Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan of Christians being sentenced to death for "blasphemy" as a result of speaking ill of the Prophet, burning Islamic religious texts, etc.

    3. Women as second class citizens. Women being subject to arrest (or just a public beating) for driving a car, being out without a male relative escort, dressing in "immodest" fashion, etc. Girls who go to school being murdered. And women who've been raped then being murdered by family males as their victim status brings dishonor on the family.

    These are three that come to mind quickly. I'm sure others can come up with further examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilherme View Post
    Concerns:

    1. The strong caste system. Muslim males stand at the top, with women in second place, "People of the Book" (Christians and Jews) in third, and pagans in fourth. This means that only Muslim males may hold certain jobs (like religious leaders, lawyers, etc.).

    2. Islamic religious law applied to non-Muslims. Perhaps you remember multiple instances in Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan of Christians being sentenced to death for "blasphemy" as a result of speaking ill of the Prophet, burning Islamic religious texts, etc.

    3. Women as second class citizens. Women being subject to arrest (or just a public beating) for driving a car, being out without a male relative escort, dressing in "immodest" fashion, etc. Girls who go to school being murdered. And women who've been raped then being murdered by family males as their victim status brings dishonor on the family.

    These are three that come to mind quickly. I'm sure others can come up with further examples.

    G.
    I have news for you. The caste system, unequal treatment of women, and the need for some to conflate religious law with the law of the land has been in the USA for a very long time. We didn't need to import it from Koran-land. You are aware of our American history right? And current politics?

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    Only men can be lawyers in Muslim countries?? Tell that to Shirin Ebadi, the Nobel Peace Prize Winning Iranian civil rights lawyer!

    Guillherme, you have a lot of misinformation and stereotypes in your post. You don't really *know*.

    Islam has something like a billion practitioners in the world; you cannot lump them all together -- just as there are many variations on "Christian".

    I am most familiar with Iran, as my father comes from there. Are you aware that they have a law guaranteeing that women can hold *any* job, except in heavy construction? That there are hundreds of thousands of Iranian women who are doctors, lawyers, engineers etc? That yes, they do vote. And yes, they do drive.

    Perhaps you were thinking that every Muslim country was exactly like Saudi Arabia?

    I am not going to argue that life in Iran, for example, is better than here. But I am going to correct you on your many misconceptions.

    Islam actually has much in common with Christian values. Both religions have their fundamentalists, neither of which I find appealing.


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    SMF- what a lovely post! You certainly gave me a new perspective, thank you for your enlightenment on the topic. Your last line speaks my belief as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pal-o-mino View Post
    You can say 'rodently challenged buttock area' instead, that's much better.
    Allrightythen, "rodently challenged buttock area."

    Speaking of which, what's the story on the outsized and propped way out there balls on some species of those things?

    I'm not a rat bigot, so I don't find the whole ratty bauplan aesthetically offensive. But those cajones? They give one pause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larksmom View Post
    Having said that, I see no problem swapping the holidays one for another, if 80% of employees agree, but I do have a problem with the prayer room. Do any businesses outside of religiously affiliated ones have prayer rooms!?
    It's often a quiet space or a quiet room. In our case, it doubled as a room for mothers to pump milk. And it was about the size of a closet. Nobody was bothered or offended, ever. But then that was the UK and they tend to be less anti-Muslim over there.
    As long as the rest of us are able to go on with work and we don't have to pray, what's the harm in it? Now if it's a group prayer - to any god - and others have to join in, I can see the stink.
    And for those who said people should assimilate... That's all very easy when you're in the majority.
    As far as I'm concerned, we've seen millions upon millions of people murdered for ethnic/religious affiliations over millennia. The world would be a much better and safer place if religious or ethnic "superiority" went the way of the dinosaur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    I have news for you. The caste system, unequal treatment of women, and the need for some to conflate religious law with the law of the land has been in the USA for a very long time. We didn't need to import it from Koran-land. You are aware of our American history right? And current politics?

    Paula
    You're correct that once upon a time we did these things. We had Blue Laws, all manner of state-sponsored, public religious exercises. We had a religious test for witnesses in civil and criminal court proceedings. We had gross State interference in family reproductive matters. And this just scratches the surface. But as a nation we've joined the 21st Century (in spite of a few folks still manning the battlements of the 19th). We began starting with the 19th Amendment. Progress has been continuous ever since. In the eyes of some it's not been fast enough. But the concept of disability based upon gender is, under American law, as dead as Julius Caesar. Under Sharia, it's very much alive.

    By the by, when I was stationed in Rhode Island I had an Iranian roomate. When I was an instructor in VT-28 I had Iranian students. One of my squadron mates from my first tour did an exchange tour with the Turkish Navy and kept in touch. One of my regular "running mates" when I was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi was a JAG Officer of Pakistani origin. I read a lot. I'm not unfamiliar with Islam and it's history.

    There are some things that are incompatible with allegiance to the Constitution of the U.S. Those things are not something I look forward to seeing expanded.

    As with all things, YMMV.

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    Once upon a time? I think we'll have to disagree on the time line. I think those issues are still very much alive. But to stay on task; what incursions of Sharia into our law books are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    Really? I've eaten a good amount of turkey during my lifetime and never once has it turned me into an anti-Muslim bigot. Turkey doesn't make you go to Fox News and dredge up white Christian right-wing scare stories from 2008.

    Maybe the Turkey Defense is the 2012 version of the Twinkie Defense?

    (With Hostess threatening to shut its ovens for good, we'll have one less excuse for inexcusable behaviour.)
    Please explain to me why you assume I am an anti-Muslim bigot? I happened to find this on someones FB page and reposted here before noticing the date was 2008. That was my mistake. If COTH had a delete feature I would have deleted the whole thread as it is no longer relevant four years later.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp View Post
    Allrightythen, "rodently challenged buttock area."

    Speaking of which, what's the story on the outsized and propped way out there balls on some species of those things?

    I'm not a rat bigot, so I don't find the whole ratty bauplan aesthetically offensive. But those cajones? They give one pause.
    A) Mine are all girls
    B) You spend too much time thinking about balls.



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    How 'bout this:


    You only get Martin Luther King day off if you're black.
    You only get Jewish holidays if you're an observant Jew attending Temple;
    You only get Muslim holidays if you attend a Mosque.
    You get Christmas and Easter if you're a Church member.
    Ditto same idea Buddhists, Taoists, Rastafarians, you-name-it.

    Everybody else, go to work and make some overtime while the devout do their thing.

    While we're at it, get rid of all the secular holidays but New Year's and the 4th of July. The rest have become nothing but excuses for unnecessary shopping. Keep Veterans' Day if you like!



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