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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    I'd like them to be able to make their own choices concerning their health care and not be implanted with a "chip". Now I don't know for sure that that's in the bill, but I read that by 2014 we're all supposed to be implanted with a chip that has our health records and vital information. Personally, I'd go to jail first.
    That is NOT in the bill. I've read it. Look, if you want your opinions to be taken at all seriously, you have to start doing more original research and thinking of your own, rather than just parroting what you read "somewhere". There is a lot of misinformation out there. You have to consider the source of the information. If there's any doubt as to it's veracity, you need to go to the ORIGINAL source (in this case the health care bill) and read it for yourself. Otherwise, you are just allowing yourself to be manipulated by others with an agenda. It's perfectly fine to disagree with people, but if you throw in ridiculous things to support your opinion, like "implanted chips", no one is going to listen to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaqua View Post
    That is NOT in the bill. I've read it. Look, if you want your opinions to be taken at all seriously, you have to start doing more original research and thinking of your own, rather than just parroting what you read "somewhere". There is a lot of misinformation out there. You have to consider the source of the information. If there's any doubt as to it's veracity, you need to go to the ORIGINAL source (in this case the health care bill) and read it for yourself. Otherwise, you are just allowing yourself to be manipulated by others with an agenda. It's perfectly fine to disagree with people, but if you throw in ridiculous things to support your opinion, like "implanted chips", no one is going to listen to you.
    I SAID I didn't know if it was true! I wasn't about to read through 2700 pages to check it out for myself!

    And if you've read that bill....you have my utmust admiration! SERIOUSLY


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    Quote Originally Posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
    Obama's view of the corporate world, international trade and corp tax issues, development of growth industries / sectors, etc is incredibly naive, misguided, or down-right wrong. He has no idea how industry or the private sector works...none. One specific area I am very familiar with - he has no idea how to deal or compete with China. They wanted Obama elected because they knew Romney understood how they have manipulated currency, tax codes / subsidies, customs regs, IP laws, protectionist policies, etc that out-fox the US. Despite their current "communist" labels they are headed in the direction of capitalism about as fast as we are socialism.
    Right.
    One good example, the farm bill is stuck, no one is working on it, is shelved as not important enough to do anything, now until maybe next spring.

    That is like telling all your employees to keep working and spending their money to keep producing goods the way we tell you, so we have them for food and fiber and fuel and to sell to other countries for our balance of trade.
    Sorry, we will not pay your salaries and your expenses, as we promised, for many months.
    You just keep borrowing money to do that and maybe, if we get around to it, we will figure this out some time in the next months, when we have a minute.
    Oh, and then we will still do what we in an office decide we want to do and too bad, if it seems harebrained, you just deal with it.

    Remember that food stamps is one of the larger expenditures of the farm bill the agriculture department manages.

    Here is an article explaining some of this:


    ---What Obama Win Means For Agriculture
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:11pm by Amanda Radke in BEEF Daily
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    Congratulations on a second term, President Obama. Let’s hope we can work together on both sides of the aisle to get things done.
    Whether you’re elated or depressed about the election results, the reality is we have re-elected President Obama for a second term, the Democrats have strengthened their hold of the Senate, and the Republicans have maintained their edge in the House. What does this mean for Americans, and what does it mean specifically for cattle ranchers?

    Now that the political campaigns have come to an end, our elected leaders in Congress hopefully can get back to work, with passage of a farm bill among the biggest priorities. How can ranchers and farmers plan for the upcoming year if they don’t know where they stand with the farm bill?

    Barry Flinchbaugh, Kansas State University professor emeritus of ag economics, recently spoke at the National Agricultural Bankers Conference, and shared a serious message: The tightest presidential election in history will come to an end on election day, but it won't solve serious deadlocks on Capitol Hill.

    "It's not economic uncertainty that's driving the economy. It's political uncertainty and political incompetence. We're likely to wake up Wednesday morning and we'll discover the election won't solve it. Republicans will control the House, Democrats will control the Senate, President Obama will have four more years in the White House.”

    A report on KXLO Country Radio had more on this topic: “Now Flinchbaugh is chastising wing nuts at both extremes of the political parties for their inability to compromise. He doubts the lame duck Congress will address farm legislation that expired Sept. 30, leaving the dairy program in limbo, livestock producers without disaster relief, and funding nightmares for soil conservation. Authority for food stamp programs ends Dec. 31. Crop insurance is covered by separate legislation, so would continue intact, although critics are demanding cuts in the premium subsidies farmers receive or perhaps restrictions on big farmers.”

    Flinchbaugh says: "When Congress had the audacity in the midst of a 60-year drought to adjourn and let the farm bill expire, I told AP that if I was a member of Congress I'd be too embarrassed to go home. What some members of Congress don't seem to realize is that the country reverted to permanent farm legislation on Oct. 1 that has its roots in the 1930s and was last amended in 1949. If Congress doesn't act, 2013 crops will be covered by an ancient, nonrecourse loan program that sets a 50-90% price floor on commodities, indexed to parity prices from 1910 to 1914. That's 100-year-old farm policy. It means wheat prices will be fixed at $18/bu., corn at $12/bu., beans $27/bu., cotton $2/lb. and milk at $52/cwt.

    While legislators are deadlocked over funding for food and nutrition programs,farm bills can't pass Congress without urban support, he says. “There are less than 50 ag districts out of 435, so how do you pass a bill without food stamps? It's not rocket science. You've got to build a majority when you're in the minority. The most likely outcome will be for Congress to delay rewriting farm legislation until next April. By then, the administration will be scrambling to finalize regulations in time for the 2013 crop. I'm pleading for horse sense. When someone asked Harry Truman what he meant by that, he defined it as something mules don't have,” Flinchbaugh says.

    Congress must get to work and settle their differences for the good of the nation; as farmers and ranchers, we need to demand that they do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Quite frankly, the Obama haters here just want to speak to sour grapes. You lost, you hate Obama, Obama supporters suck......Ya we got it.

    Actually having a conversation about the future, not gonna happen here.

    Enjoy your "we hate Obama, he is a failed president, only black, illiterate, ghetto voters voted him in.....Businesses are going to close up shop (by the way we have heard that before)" Enjoy your pitty party, Colbert is on....
    I think that sour grapes are on your side, because those that don't like the results of the election are not silenced by the way it went.
    Consider that while a bit over half voted for Obama, almost half didn't and they deserve to be heard also.

    If you ever quit thinking about those with real concerns about Obama as president as "Obama haters" and keep trying to insult them, you may be able to participate in these debates better, where readers don't dismiss you off hand and gloss over what you write by the tone of your posts.

    I know, unsolicited advice and all that, but still ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    I think that sour grapes are on your side, because those that don't like the results of the election are not silenced by the way it went.
    Consider that while a bit over half voted for Obama, almost half didn't and they deserve to be heard also.

    If you ever quit thinking about those with real concerns about Obama as president as "Obama haters" and keep trying to insult them, you may be able to participate in these debates better, where readers don't dismiss you off hand and gloss over what you write by the tone of your posts.

    I know, unsolicited advice and all that, but still ...
    I think there is a legitimate reason that those of us on the left refer to the anti-Obama crowd as the "haters". The GOP presidential campaign was run "against" Obama and not "for" the GOP candidate.

    You reap what you sow. The GOP tried to sow hate, and it wasn't enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    I think there is a legitimate reason that those of us on the left refer to the anti-Obama crowd as the "haters". The GOP presidential campaign was run "against" Obama and not "for" the GOP candidate.

    You reap what you sow. The GOP tried to sow hate, and it wasn't enough.

    I, on the other hand, think that you should have agreed with me that we really won't get anywhere as long as any here keeps trying to be offensive, on any side, not defend offensive comments.

    What more do you want, your side won and still can't let it go?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Did you read my post, minnie? These NOT minimum wage workers are highly trained and could be of SUCH value to this country and to the new industries we should be getting into while we get out of war.

    Wow. People are thumbs downing on getting out of the war business and building up our country?
    I'm probably not the only person who believes the best way to stay free is to have a strong efficient military. Bullies attack nations they perceive to be weak, not those they believe to be strong.
    I would however prefer that we not go messing around in other countries. Obama got us out of Iraq, it's time to do the same for Afganistan. The situation there is sickening but change has to come from inside....we can't force it.
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    Oh jesus....

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

    The thought that any sane adult actually thought the federal government was going to require implantation of ID microchips in the entire American population has me pretty terrified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by showhorsegallery View Post
    ...A strong defense is the best deterrent. I don't want to go to war for the sake of it, but I want us to be ready to defend ourselves if needed. You can't be caught on your heels.

    All the prosperity and freedom in the world won't mean a damn if someone can swoop in and take it from us.
    And just how was the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the two current wars in Iraq and Afganistan defending ourselves? Did any of those countries attack us? Huh? Well did they? No, we just go over there and bomb the crap out of them based on a bunch of manipulative lies.

    Hard to understand those people naive enough and ignorant enough to believe the government propaganda regarding justifications for any of these wars. Right wing warmongers count on it though. I can only imagine how much money Halliburton gave to the Romney campaign but Republican lead congressional legislation made sure stuff like that is confidential.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedmondDressage View Post
    Your statement was called out as racist because you seem to think that a token brown person will automatically result in a landslide Republican win. If the Republican party wants to have any influence in the future the GOP needs to GENUINELY embrace the social issues that affect the increasingly diverse U.S. populations. Token acts mean nothing, the people see through it and it will only make them more irrelevant. They need to make a real and fundamental change and join the rest of us here in the 21st century.
    The token woman didn't work out well for them the last time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Right.
    One good example, the farm bill is stuck, no one is working on it, is shelved as not important enough to do anything, now until maybe next spring.

    That is like telling all your employees to keep working and spending their money to keep producing goods the way we tell you, so we have them for food and fiber and fuel and to sell to other countries for our balance of trade.
    Sorry, we will not pay your salaries and your expenses, as we promised, for many months.
    You just keep borrowing money to do that and maybe, if we get around to it, we will figure this out some time in the next months, when we have a minute.
    Oh, and then we will still do what we in an office decide we want to do and too bad, if it seems harebrained, you just deal with it.

    Remember that food stamps is one of the larger expenditures of the farm bill the agriculture department manages.

    Here is an article explaining some of this:


    ---What Obama Win Means For Agriculture
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:11pm by Amanda Radke in BEEF Daily
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    Congratulations on a second term, President Obama. Let’s hope we can work together on both sides of the aisle to get things done.
    Whether you’re elated or depressed about the election results, the reality is we have re-elected President Obama for a second term, the Democrats have strengthened their hold of the Senate, and the Republicans have maintained their edge in the House. What does this mean for Americans, and what does it mean specifically for cattle ranchers?

    Now that the political campaigns have come to an end, our elected leaders in Congress hopefully can get back to work, with passage of a farm bill among the biggest priorities. How can ranchers and farmers plan for the upcoming year if they don’t know where they stand with the farm bill?

    Barry Flinchbaugh, Kansas State University professor emeritus of ag economics, recently spoke at the National Agricultural Bankers Conference, and shared a serious message: The tightest presidential election in history will come to an end on election day, but it won't solve serious deadlocks on Capitol Hill.

    "It's not economic uncertainty that's driving the economy. It's political uncertainty and political incompetence. We're likely to wake up Wednesday morning and we'll discover the election won't solve it. Republicans will control the House, Democrats will control the Senate, President Obama will have four more years in the White House.”

    A report on KXLO Country Radio had more on this topic: “Now Flinchbaugh is chastising wing nuts at both extremes of the political parties for their inability to compromise. He doubts the lame duck Congress will address farm legislation that expired Sept. 30, leaving the dairy program in limbo, livestock producers without disaster relief, and funding nightmares for soil conservation. Authority for food stamp programs ends Dec. 31. Crop insurance is covered by separate legislation, so would continue intact, although critics are demanding cuts in the premium subsidies farmers receive or perhaps restrictions on big farmers.”

    Flinchbaugh says: "When Congress had the audacity in the midst of a 60-year drought to adjourn and let the farm bill expire, I told AP that if I was a member of Congress I'd be too embarrassed to go home. What some members of Congress don't seem to realize is that the country reverted to permanent farm legislation on Oct. 1 that has its roots in the 1930s and was last amended in 1949. If Congress doesn't act, 2013 crops will be covered by an ancient, nonrecourse loan program that sets a 50-90% price floor on commodities, indexed to parity prices from 1910 to 1914. That's 100-year-old farm policy. It means wheat prices will be fixed at $18/bu., corn at $12/bu., beans $27/bu., cotton $2/lb. and milk at $52/cwt.

    While legislators are deadlocked over funding for food and nutrition programs,farm bills can't pass Congress without urban support, he says. “There are less than 50 ag districts out of 435, so how do you pass a bill without food stamps? It's not rocket science. You've got to build a majority when you're in the minority. The most likely outcome will be for Congress to delay rewriting farm legislation until next April. By then, the administration will be scrambling to finalize regulations in time for the 2013 crop. I'm pleading for horse sense. When someone asked Harry Truman what he meant by that, he defined it as something mules don't have,” Flinchbaugh says.

    Congress must get to work and settle their differences for the good of the nation; as farmers and ranchers, we need to demand that they do so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    I, on the other hand, think that you should have agreed with me that we really won't get anywhere as long as any here keeps trying to be offensive, on any side, not defend offensive comments.

    What more do you want, your side won and still can't let it go?
    Bluey, I'm trying to explain to you why, not defend it. Geez Louise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vxf111 View Post
    Oh jesus....

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

    The thought that any sane adult actually thought the federal government was going to require implantation of ID microchips in the entire American population has me pretty terrified.
    You would be amazed. Simply amazed at how many people fell for it.

    Why is that, is it lack of critical thinking skills, is it hate radio? Is the the access that the whackjob conspiracy theorists now have to the general public through blogging, facebook and the interwebz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    Bluey, I'm trying to explain to you why, not defend it. Geez Louise.
    Oh, then thank you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vxf111 View Post
    Oh jesus....

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

    The thought that any sane adult actually thought the federal government was going to require implantation of ID microchips in the entire American population has me pretty terrified.

    I know there have been talk in the news of chips for dementia patients, so they can be found when they wander off.
    Maybe that is where some made the jump to "everyone"?



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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    I think there is a legitimate reason that those of us on the left refer to the anti-Obama crowd as the "haters". The GOP presidential campaign was run "against" Obama and not "for" the GOP candidate.

    You reap what you sow. The GOP tried to sow hate, and it wasn't enough.
    The democratic ads in Ohio were horrendous, not one Obama ad outlined his plan to aid in the ecomonic recovery or what his plan was for the next 4 years. They based their ad campaign on fear, fear of losing their "Obama phones", food stamps, Medicaid checks and taking away SS. So please, don't try that approach, it doesn't work. The majority of Ohio counties voted for Romney who are hard working small town Americans who care about this country. And, look at Kentucky, most of Kentucky felt that way too. My views should not be diminished or dismissed just because I happened to vote for the other candidate. I have no hate for Obama, I just don't agree wth his policies or the way he has governed this country for the past 4 years. Again, almost half of the country voted Romney and voicing our concerns is a still a right in this country!


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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    I SAID I didn't know if it was true! I wasn't about to read through 2700 pages to check it out for myself!

    And if you've read that bill....you have my utmust admiration! SERIOUSLY
    Let me guess.. you read it on the internet, so it must be true?

    Good lord, I don't know how any sane, rational adult could actually believe that. Agreed with Canaqua, it just makes you sound paranoid and no one will listen to it. If you don't know if it's true, why perpetuate the rumor?


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    I actually hope the GOP has had their wake-up call. They can no longer cater to bigoted old white men. The country is changing and becoming more brown. They can no longer continue to insult Hispanics, African Americans and women and expect to win national elections. Exit polls showed that 56% of citizens want to keep the abortion laws exactly the way they are, marriage equality passed in several states, a majority of exit polls showed that people DO want to raise taxes on the wealthy. They're way behind the curve on social issues. It's time to step up and realize they're in the 21st century. America is changing. Deal with it.

    Here's hoping the leadership begins to listen to the people and ignores the crazy hate radio, bloggers and TV. Otherwise, I see another Dem in the White House in 2016. Hillary anyone...(which would be fine with me), but I'd really like to see a viable 2nd party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supershorty628 View Post
    Let me guess.. you read it on the internet, so it must be true?

    Good lord, I don't know how any sane, rational adult could actually believe that. Agreed with Canaqua, it just makes you sound paranoid and no one will listen to it. If you don't know if it's true, why perpetuate the rumor?
    Good Lord. I never said I thought it was true. I never said I believed it. I SAID I had read it and didn't know it was true. I don't even remember WHERE I read it. It was a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    Good Lord. I never said I thought it was true. I never said I believed it. I SAID I had read it and didn't know it was true. I don't even remember WHERE I read it. It was a long time ago.

    MEA CULPA MEA CULPA Truce?
    I'm all for truces!


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