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    Quite frankly, the Obama haters here just want to speak to sour grapes. You lost, you hate Obama, Obama supporters suck......Ya we got it.

    Actually having a conversation about the future, not gonna happen here.

    Enjoy your "we hate Obama, he is a failed president, only black, illiterate, ghetto voters voted him in.....Businesses are going to close up shop (by the way we have heard that before)" Enjoy your pitty party, Colbert is on....


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    Only allowing for abortion only in cases of rape, incest, or threat to life of the mother is still controlling what women can do with their bodies. And then there's the fun of the fact that most women don't report being raped, and those that do are often vilified and humiliated. So great, not only has a woman been raped and fallen pregnant, but now she has to report that rape if she wants to abort it. Awesome. In addition, in countries where abortion is illegal, abortion rates do not go down. Limiting access to abortion does not work in stopping abortions, but it does lead to unsafe abortions and more deaths. I'm not sorry, and I can't and won't vote for a candidate who advocates controlling a woman's right to choose.

    I'll be frank: I'm a lesbian. I'm not in a position to even consider marrying someone right now, but if and when I do find that person, I want to be able to marry her, and have it be recognized, and have all of the rights that go along with marriage, and have that marriage license, and be able to say that I am married. Nothing less. I cannot and will not vote for a candidate who does not 100% advocate for marriage equality.

    I grew up in a very well-off household. My parents' combined income topped $250k/yr up until 2008, when they both lost their jobs. Life changed a lot, very very quickly. Things change a bit when you go from having great health insurance to none. 4 years later, my father is still unemployed (although is receiving some income from clients starting to reinvest, largely thanks to economic improvement under Obama) and my mother is making $40k/yr from a job and her own business. They are 60 and 55, respectively, both with preexisting conditions and taking several medications. Her job doesn't provide health insurance. But thanks to Obamacare, insurance has gone from $2000/mo (estimate from '09) to $250-$500/mo, and it will go down further and be more accessible as Obamacare kicks in. I cannot and will not vote for a candidate who wants to repeal something that has been so beneficial.

    Romney's math throughout the election did not make sense. He kept making claims and fudged on backing them up (I'll pay for tax cuts by closing loopholes, but ask me later about which loopholes!). He switched back and forth on issues and displayed zero foreign policy competency. I cannot and will not vote for a moving target.

    The auto bailout worked. The stimulus saved us from a depression to shame all depressions. Economists continue to support the statement that actually, government spending can help revive an economy (how many people have actually taken an Econ course? I'd be interested to know the results.) Obamacare continues to help people like my parents. I don't have to worry about who will be put on the Supreme Court, or if I'll be able to get an abortion if I need one, or if the fight for marriage equality will be taken backwards by decades.

    Yeah, I voted on social issues. I voted the way I did because who is on the Supreme Court is important. Because I don't care that "it will never happen," it's scary enough that we might have elected someone who wanted to take away the right to an abortion. Because I think everyone should be able to have access to affordable healthcare. Because I want to be able to marry the person I love. I also voted the way I did because I've studied economics, and I've read up on economist's perspectives, and because I feel that Obama will better protect my interests and those of my friends and family, including his position on acts like Dodd Frank. I voted the way I did because I trust Obama not to act rashly with regards to Iran and other international crises.

    I am beyond offended when people write off the social issues because economics are more important to them. That reeks of privilege, of someone who would not be heavily impacted by a massive change in one of those social things. Inequality is a BFD. Again, sorry but not sorry, I refuse to compromise on anyone's rights. And I will vote accordingly.

    Well now I'm exhausted....I apologize for any grotesque spelling or grammatical errors.

    I think I'm done with all other CoTH political threads...it's just too depressing.


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    showhorsegallery, giddybiddy, and big-red-ottb Thank you for the thoughtful, caring conversation. I think most people are like you and we just need to keep showing everyone else how you move forward.


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    It will be interesting to see who Obama blames for the mess he inherited...

    One good thing (only one) that comes from this outcome. When obama fails in this next term he will seal the fate for democrats. The country will never again elect a democrat as the president.


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    My god. It's unbelievable. Some people JUST DON'T GET IT. It accounts for some voting, I guess. Many posts of thoughtful conversation, and it seems OK to come in and make some random hysterical negative comment AGAIN.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    It will be interesting to see who Obama blames for the mess he inherited...

    One good thing (only one) that comes from this outcome. When obama fails in this next term he will seal the fate for democrats. The country will never again elect a democrat as the president.
    Wow, gee, no other democrat will ever be elected....wow you must know so much to make that prediction. You must work for Fox News, they still have not called the election.....

    Gee you and Ann Coulter room mates....


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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    A question for 2016. Has the GOP figured out that by disenfranchising minorities they're only hurting their chances for the White House? The country is getting browner and younger while the GOP is getting older and whiter. That math just doesn't work.
    When I mentioned it, it was called a racist statement to bring that up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    JETSMOM "When was the last time you saw a bunch of people that fit the Repuplican demographic rioting because they didn't like the outcome of something ? Most of the time it is the demographic of those that support Obama,,, young, ignorant, illiterate, black, wanting for things"
    No jetsmom this is your post. Very different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Yeah. Some of my family is in that business. It's GOOD we're getting out of the defense/war "business." Just imagine what great new, better focused businesses could come out of all those great minds and resources not focused on killing other people!

    It's a fallacious argument. It's like bemoaning the closing of a typewriter factory or the whaling industry. Some businesses need to go away because it is no longer a valid industry. I don't think war and killing is a valid industry, and if we have to do it, we are WAY more modern that building giant planes to bomb people, or whatever.
    You're really going to say that companies like Boeing, downsizing or going away is good? Have you flown commercially lately? You do realize that the airline industry is HUGE. If it goes away, or is downsizing, whole cities will be hurt economically. See, this is where people question how informed and how much people that voted for Obama, really understand how the economy works...because your statement makes it apparent that you don't. While wanting wars to end is a wonderful thought, hoping that aircraft companies go under or downsize, because you think they just support the war mechanism, is not just uninformed but truly dangerous to our country.


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    To accept that when two wars end there will be a decline in military aircraft, is accepting reality.The economy will absorb. We don't all work for Haliburton...


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    I don't think you actually READ what I posted. Minnie was getting hysterical about Boeing getting smaller because of the military.

    That's not a BAD thing if we're getting out of the WAR as "business." If those resources and talents go into helping the airline industry, great. If those resources and talents go into new and innovative businesses, great.

    This is what I don't get about people who voted for Romney and want more war because it's good for the economy. It always has been and has been a fake boost, but it has got to stop. We need a REAL economy not based on fear and killing people.

    Wanting to kill people and focus a whole industry on that because you think that's the biggest factor in the economy is not just misinformed, but truly dangerous to our country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Yeah. Some of my family is in that business. It's GOOD we're getting out of the defense/war "business." Just imagine what great new, better focused businesses could come out of all those great minds and resources not focused on killing other people!

    It's a fallacious argument. It's like bemoaning the closing of a typewriter factory or the whaling industry. Some businesses need to go away because it is no longer a valid industry. I don't think war and killing is a valid industry, and if we have to do it, we are WAY more modern that building giant planes to bomb people, or whatever.
    Like I said.



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    [QUOTE=Beentheredonethat;6657375]This is true, but it's the idea of using the money and resources we have for something we really need. Our infrastructure is in BAD shape. There's a show on the history channel that looks at our failing infrastructure in all ways, and they grade it as a D- right now. We haven't put the money into the really necessary things we need. The one I saw was on the waterways on the east coast and how they are falling apart. I live across the bay from San Bruno--I saw that explosion and fire go for hours. We need to move our resources from fighting and posturing around the world to building the basics of our country.

    This is not the government creating jobs, but taking the focus from building bombers and paying fighters, which do not in themselves create jobs, to building airports and roads and waterways so businesses can come in and use those resources.

    Like I said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    No jetsmom this is your post. Very different.
    No, on this thread, when I mentioned that in 2016 the repubs should get someone not white as a candidate, and that by 2042 white men will be the minority, I was told that was a racist remark, for suggesting they get someone not white.

    And FWIW, I had a friend of mine read my posts and the responses on some of these threads, and she said that people look for reasons to call something racist, even when it is technically correct. She said that the Obama supporters on here were probably more upset at being told that ignorant people fall into the democratic demographic. And suggested that you look up some of the Bill Cosby speeches. that you would probably say he is racist if you just read his words, until you realize he is black.
    And my friend is a female black Major in the army here... If she isn't offended by it, then I'm pretty sure it's ok...(And she voted for Obama.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    I don't agree 100%, but I agree. This talking thing works!

    I think we do need to be able to take care of ourselves and defend ourselves, but we have such advancements in the way we can do that, the focus needs to be technology and how we use that, not sending people to other countries, building infrastructure in other countries, or building bigger, better, faster jets, aircraft carriers, etc. A drone can take the place of a lot.
    Like I said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    No, on this thread, when I mentioned that in 2016 the repubs should get someone not white as a candidate, and that by 2042 white men will be the minority, I was told that was a racist remark, for suggesting they get someone not white.

    And FWIW, I had a friend of mine read my posts and the responses on some of these threads, and she said that people look for reasons to call something racist, even when it is technically correct. She said that the Obama supporters on here were probably more upset at being told that ignorant people fall into the democratic demographic. And suggested that you look up some of the Bill Cosby speeches. that you would probably say he is racist if you just read his words, until you realize he is black.
    And my friend is a female black Major in the army here... If she isn't offended by it, then I'm pretty sure it's ok...(And she voted for Obama.)
    Your posts are shockingly bigoted. I don't care about you telling us about your black friend, your posts are bigoted. You and the other members of the GOP don't understand that it is the message and the party's platforms that are offensive, not the color of a candidates skin.

    This post of yours above is offensive. Having a "black friend" tell you that what you post is OK does not make it OK. Wow, again, I am amazed at the lack appropriateness or really just how bigoted you are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    When I mentioned it, it was called a racist statement to bring that up.
    Your statement was called out as racist because you seem to think that a token brown person will automatically result in a landslide Republican win. If the Republican party wants to have any influence in the future the GOP needs to GENUINELY embrace the social issues that affect the increasingly diverse U.S. populations. Token acts mean nothing, the people see through it and it will only make them more irrelevant. They need to make a real and fundamental change and join the rest of us here in the 21st century.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardi View Post
    Obama has always been "big hat, no cattle." The fact remains that Romney is, and always has been, better qualified for the job.
    But look on the bright side, Romney can now spend his spare time coming up with with a way to make airplane windows open as well as design a dog crate that will fit nicely on the roof of a car!
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    I think what this elections tells the Republican party is they need to rethink the whole social conservatism and stick to the financial. Honestly even as a life long Democrat I have said that if a Republican candidate was the better choice I would vote differently, but it hasn't happened yet. I thought a lot about McCain until he backtracked on torture and chose Palin as his running mate. If Chris Christie were a bit more liberal on social issues I'd vote for him as President in the future.

    Watching the GOP go after him during the Hurricane aftermath I think hurt the GOP more than they realize. He is doing what he can to help the people in his state, he appreciated the help and all the GOP could do was bash him for it. What does that say about the party? It's better to tow the party line then actually help people in a time of crisis? No wonder they lost so handily.


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    Obama's view of the corporate world, international trade and corp tax issues, development of growth industries / sectors, etc is incredibly naive, misguided, or down-right wrong. He has no idea how industry or the private sector works...none. One specific area I am very familiar with - he has no idea how to deal or compete with China. They wanted Obama elected because they knew Romney understood how they have manipulated currency, tax codes / subsidies, customs regs, IP laws, protectionist policies, etc that out-fox the US. Despite their current "communist" labels they are headed in the direction of capitalism about as fast as we are socialism.


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