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    Quote Originally Posted by DieBlaueReiterin View Post
    this thread is interesting to me, because i've been noticing tons of help wanted signs around my area lately (philly). my mom is up in the lehigh valley as the head nurse at a ltc facility, and told me the other day how they're going through employees like crazy because they just...don't show up.
    I have a friend that has two restaurants and they too say that they hire people and they come to work if and when they want.
    There is a segment of the work force without any work ethic at all.
    No manager can figure how to make them understand coming to work every day and at the right time and with the "I am here to work" attitude.

    I think that has been always a problem with some workers, it is not new.


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    We also have been having a hard time hiring. We're an inbound call center and sell higher priced gym equipment mostly...Total Gym, Nautilus, stuff like that.

    All you have to be able to do is read, write, type reasonably well, and show up on time. We do paid training, we pay a base hourly above minimum wage and conversion rates (depending on the product) are 20-50+ percent with commissions earned. Most commissions for a sale are 20 bucks. There are actually sales agents who make more than me and I helped start the company!

    BUT...we have a hard time getting people to show up even for training. About every other week this time of year, we hire about 30 people. Typically 10 won't even show up for training or will drop out within the first week. From a typical training class then of 20, we end up with only 5 or so staying on for more than 90 days because they get fired for not showing up! (we offer health insurance, retirement, etc at 90 days)

    I don't work in HR here, but I've actually heard more than one person come in to fill out an application, be offered an interview, and say, "Oh, no. I don't actually want to work here. I just have to fill out X number of applications a week to keep my unemployment."

    That is sad to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucassb View Post
    From the other side of the equation... I have a couple of open positions right now, and am having a *really* hard time filling them. I do get applications - apparently from people who can't read, since they do not have the required credentials - but of the 4 people I've interviewed, two showed up more than a half hour late (for a 10 am interview? really?) and not a single one knew one d*mn thing about my business. I did meet *one* gal who I thought was terrific; she had really researched us, was very articulate and made a great impression, but unfortunately she lacks the necessary education and licensure that she'd need for me to hire her. Sigh.
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    This is so sad, because Obama will get the blame...
    I am not too familiar with the situation here in Ontario. Both my kids have jobs and my DD has said she cannot understand the new hires not willing to work harder when they have sales. In July, they had a big sale which required everyone to work over a weekend... one girl quit in August because "she could not recover from the sale!"... my daughter just put in 98 hours in the last two weeks because of the Royal Winter Fair. She is tired, but understand that her position does require the extra time and effort!!

    One girl at the barn got fired from her $17/hr job (for not taking her tongue ring out after being told to!)... within a week she had one full time job and a part-time job (ok factory job and gas station attendant) BUT there was no way she was dipping in her savings to pay for her horse and car insurance! She treated looking for a job as a full-time job!! It paid off.

    My nephew in France cannot.find.a.job. He is 22, studying by distance ed and has been looking for months. He learned a lesson the hard way too when some employers took him for a trial period... made him work a whole day... and never paid! He found out when he reported the problem that employers HAVE to have a trial contract... no contract, no pay...

    I still can't get over how lazy some people are!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRoo View Post
    I don't work in HR here, but I've actually heard more than one person come in to fill out an application, be offered an interview, and say, "Oh, no. I don't actually want to work here. I just have to fill out X number of applications a week to keep my unemployment."That is sad to me.
    I deal with exactly this with a currently unemployed BIL.

    He was downsized from an extremely high-paying position (mid 6 figures) that he was lucky enough to work his way up into from the absolute bottom.
    The industry deals with banking, credit reports, and plenty of personel information so a clean history is very important;
    he has no education above high school ,a police record, now has an extremely bad credit record, and is upset that he cannot get another position paying close to the same in the same or a very similar industry.

    Finds a reason why he couldn't possibly even apply to positions that he might have half a chance of getting, and sees no reason to consider it urgent to rejoin the employed.

    So now he applies to the requisite number of jobs each week in industries he would be unbelievably lucky to even get an interview in, and happily blows his unemployment money each month while living off his girlfriend (when not living with us).

    He has been unemployed for well over a year, has spent all his retirement, lost a very nice house and has an amazing number of bill collectors calling my house looking for him.
    And wants me to feel sorry for him "because I have no idea how bad it is out there for the unemployed in this economy."


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    Default I am going to wade in carefully as one of the chronically unemployed.

    I am 59. I didn't go to college, way back then, I didn't know anyone who did. My parents didn't push it, and I hated school, so I went out and got a job. I was with the local Bell for 30 years. I retired 10 years ago, because I could. I have taken other jobs, that mostly concerned driving as that is what I did.
    My last job, three years ago now, was at the airport, 25 miles one way. In two years working there I put 40 k miles on my car. I haven't driven it 10 k since then. I worked for morons, but at least I wasn't on my feet that much.
    Count me in as not wanting to stand on my feet 8 hours a day. I don't want to drive 20 -30 miles away for a low paying job. I do have a pension, and still have all my health bennies. When I was drawing unemployment, I admit to not looking as hard as I should have done. But I have stumbled into the mystery shopping thing. It works for me. Especially with my mom being sick.
    I do not want to go to school for anything and rack up more debt. I do not want to be a nurse. I HATE 'getting by', and would like to participate more fully in the economy, but at the moment, this is working for me. If my mom neeeds me, I do not have to call in sick. After I retired, I took a job as a chauffuer. I liked it, but had to buy the gas for the car. After a while, it just didn't pay enough to be running my life. One of my clients ran a call center, but I do not know if it was in bound, or out bound. It would make a difference to me.
    I have been to the 'unemployment office' here. They weren't much help.
    I have some computer skills, but I took two classes when I was retiring, and one had a great teacher, and the other was a wierdo. I spend nearly $500 on classes, that had I passed, my employer would have paid for. My confidence was shaken, and has never returned. I do fear failure, so I like the anyominity of mystery shopping.
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    You are hardly a "chronically unemployed" after paying taxes for as many years as you have. Your post has this "useless" feel to it and I really don't like it! If you have worked in so many capacities you are resourceful.

    For you older and nervous folks, I am now working for a community college. While many of the staff positions have a degree or educational requirement, many don't. Right now my college is hiring for a Customer Service Specialist III, a Program Coordinator and several part time jobs. Only full time have bennies though. The average age is over 50 here! The pace is pretty slow (coming from the super fast paced, numbers are everything environment I was in before makes it seem super slow LOL!), being helpful and patient to deal with 18 year olds who have lots (LOTS AND LOTS!) of questions is the best quality you can have
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    I have this issue, too. I have a husband who hasn't really worked steadily since we have been married (5 years). I pull the weight, I'm frustrated. It's so disheartening to be the one having to support the one who doesn't seem to have the motivation to work, even though he says he wants to... the jobs just aren't there. Bullhockey. I tell him constantly of help wanted signs I see around town... he doesn't even look into them. I'm weary. I know what my options are... and I'm still riding a fence as to when to exercise them, so this is more a vent than anything else.

    There ARE jobs out there... you just have to be willing to do them. I would think having the pride of working would be better than just collecting unemployment. Granted, unemployment might equal $8 an hour, and you might make $9 at the local gas station, but what the hell... at least you could feel like you're contributing. Sigh. It's frustrating for us supporters, too.
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    There are a couple of other angles I'd like to bring up....

    Age discrimination. My mom is in her early 60's. She has a lot of experience and is good at what she does. But many companies want to hire someone young and cheap. I know this goes on because as I am leaving my company, my rather uncouth bosses have said rather giddily that they should be able to hire a replacement for me right out of college for next to nothing. Yay team! I get that from a financial standpoint, but they are really going to shoot themselves in the foot not hiring someone with experience because they are not willing to give direction. They want someone to "just handle things" like I do. Well, not many straight out of college and new to the biz are going to know how.

    Keeping your experience relevant: My husband was laid off in 2009. For him to be "relevant" he needed to stay in his field. Taking a job in something else wouldn't bode well.He elected to take a job in which he didn't even get paid for a large chunk just to stay current in his profession. It worked out for us and now he's got a gov't job, so you all are going to be paying our way! I have to quit my job for him to take this, it's less than he was paid before, but it's got some stability that we've yet to have in the last few years.
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    These days, it actually is more expensive for couples to both be working than it is for a single bread-winner in some situations. There are A LOT of SAHMs around here. By a lot, I mean that in the sense that you will see them anywhere and everywhere around here in the morning and afternoon when they go shopping or whatever with their stay at home kids.
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    I have a dear friend (early 20s) who still lives at home and is taking two classes I think while working towards an AA. She works at a local barn for two hours a day mucking paddocks, and that's it. Sure she picks up house sitting and pet sitting jobs here and there, and fills in at my BO's barn when needed...but that's it. I even paid her to come scoop dog crap in my barn because I didn't want to...

    I have pushed her to try to get a j.o.b. Her excuse for anything food related is she is over weight and doesn't want to work around food. I emailed her a city job as a PT library page, and she didn't even apply. She applied for a dispatch job and didn't get it. It's like she wants a job in dispatch or LE or nothing at all. I don't get it? I have a BA and I was pumping gas five years ago.

    And honestly, that is what I see in the younger generations. They have a job in mind, and won't apply for anything other than that if they can get away with it. Sure there are the ones who do work because parents mandate it, but my friend's parents don't. So she doesn't.

    As for the older adults who don't work... Well. Maybe they are too picky? Driving 20-30 miles for a job isn't a bad thing. Being on their feet all day would be a deal breaker, but temp agencies often fill in spots for people who can sit and type or answer phones. And a lot of jobs allow people to sit. I know I see Walmart cashiers sitting on stools behind the counter instead of standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJenners View Post

    I have pushed her to try to get a j.o.b. Her excuse for anything food related is she is over weight and doesn't want to work around food.

    And honestly, that is what I see in the younger generations. They have a job in mind, and won't apply for anything other than that if they can get away with it.
    Heh, I lose weight working in the restaurant. Technically if we're there at least eight hours (and we are on weekends or in the busy season) we're supposed to get breaks, including a meal break, but we don't as there's no easy way to do it. The servers sometimes are able to order food during their shift, but those of us on the line just don't have time. We'll snack when we can but generally don't eat close to a full meal.

    And in fairness to wanting just that one job, for those who have done the 'go to college, major in something to do (ie not acting, poetry, underwater basket-weaving, etc)' ending up doing all the crap jobs you were told to go to college so you wouldn't have to (fast food, Wal-Mart checker, etc) only WITH a degree can be really disheartening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    I have a friend that has two restaurants and they too say that they hire people and they come to work if and when they want.
    There is a segment of the work force without any work ethic at all.
    No manager can figure how to make them understand coming to work every day and at the right time and with the "I am here to work" attitude.
    With restaurants, I can see people taking a job and quitting fast--it's really, really brutal, especially back of house. That said, why wouldn't they just can whoever wasn't showing up? Also, why are they not motivated? I had one non-food-service employer who couldn't understand why none of us in my category of employee put them anywhere close to first on our priority list, or why we all HAD second or third jobs or a spouse who worked--because they paid us fifty cents over state minimum, expected us to work weekends, and tried to make us act like MFA guards while sitting in an empty museum and didn't see why we weren't thrilled. Well, yeah, we're going to do just about any other job we have if that's available. My current employer has somewhat high turnover, explained by things like the manager's son/summer assistant complaining that he doesn't see why they should pay overtime because one hour's work is just like another's so it should get paid the same. (The only reason they do now is someone threatened to get a lawyer.) They routinely screw up our paychecks, they don't offer benefits (yes, under the new law it's cheaper NOT to for the employer, but even before), see above about not providing breaks, they do not buy equipment or supplies unless they HAVE to even if it would make our jobs more efficient...and then they wonder why people leave or are (in the case of the servers) less than judicious about always showing up on time. And that's not at all abnormal in food service, except the franchises (where you can skip the labor lawyer and report them to corporate, who also inspect occasionally.)



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    People who've never tried to hire and/or employ anyone have no idea how hard it is to find good workers.

    I have little sympathy for people who can't find jobs. I know that you can't make blanket statements but most people I know who can't find full time work are in that situation because they put themselves there. They either went to college for a degree that is useless or very unlikely to result in a job that pays well or they don't want to take a job they perceive as beneath them.

    My brother is smart, and competent and capable of being a wonderful employee. He's good with computers and should have no problem getting a job. However he thinks you should start at $50,000 a year and not have to work your way up. He got fired from his second to last job for being late all the time and fired from his last job in phone support for hanging up on a rude customer and never logging back into the system. He refuses to even consider working in the restaurant/bar industry, he made a half-hearted attempt to get a job in retail. He has repeatedly flunked his last two course at college for his degree which my parents studpidly keep paying for. He's 27 and too old to being doing this nonsense. He's on foodstamps and I have no idea how he pays his bills. I assume my mom is lying about sending him money.

    I've hired and employeed people and I ended up letting them all go. They were lazy and would take a mile if I gave an inch. The work was never done correctly and I got tired of staying up til 1am fixing their mistakes.

    My fiance's mom just opened a salon and is having the worst time finding good stylists and nail techs. She's had several that have stolen from her (money and product) and several that have very seriously screwed up (cut an ear, broken a nail completely off).

    My mom is in charge of hiring a ton of people and she's constantly looking for good candidates but they're so hard to find.

    When the economy is good employers will take what they can, but in a down economy you have to be choosier and the least employable end up unemployed.


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    My town has 18% unemployment. DH works at one of the only employers, a manufacturing company, and they are always hiring. always. They have a standing ad with the job service and I know when I was looking for a job sitting in the job service office I saw dozens of people come in for aps to just maintain their unemployment. DH's place can't keep anyone, the work is too hard, they don't like the shifts, they don't pay enough (that one is true but they do a lot of overtime)(which of course is too much work), and they lose half their people to just the mere mention of drug tests approaching on the calendar. I work at a little feed store-we don't have benefits but it's an easy, enjoyable job, banker's hours, great owner, a great employee discount that is literally feeding all my critters right now. We can't find any decent person to take on a position right now-literally nobody comes in except a few high school kids which is great but I know the boss wants someone more long term. We recently got hosed by a young man that was using his few hours with us just to enhance his unemployment benefits somehow-worked for a week then skied out. He tried desperately to get fired but boss refused. He's still on the work schedule to this day just in case he tries to claim he was fired! lol

    I can't count how many times I've heard people say of themselves that they make more money on unemployment so why work?


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    *sigh* my company is having issues finding employees as well.....and it's ridiculous. Part time (not having full time hours is an issue, but there are plenty of people saying they want part time in our area), $10/hour, but a majority of the time is downtime. Meaning I get paid to do homework, read, or (like this summer) catch up on all the episodes of Grey's Anatomy! In the past three months we have hired four people, let three go for failing to show up for training, and one of them quit because 'people were mean' (someone told her no, please ask again in 10 minutes....this is her version of mean).

    My job is AMAZING, particularly for a college student. I have no idea why we can't retain even one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboymom View Post
    He's still on the work schedule to this day just in case he tries to claim he was fired! lol
    If he was fired for cause, wouldn't that mean he couldn't get unemployment? You get it if you're let go for no work available, surplus employee, position eliminated, and things like that, but my understanding (at least here) is if they actively fire you for a reason, you're NOT eligible because you had work and you screwed it up.

    I have a question for those saying they're having trouble finding workers for what mostly sounds like shift work, retail, unskilled labor and similar: what do you do when you get the person with a four-year or graduate degree who is looking for 'pay the bills' work? I have always had a TERRIBLE time getting hired in retail, for example, and actually have never gotten hired for it, despite having cash-handling skills from working cafe-type restaurants and from having my own small business (jewelry and antiques), because they assume, fairly, that if I get an offer in my field I'd be gone. Though a quick look at my resume ought to tell them how rare that is.

    And I would LOVE to know where these people live or what they were doing that the make more on unemployment. (Especially since here it's determined by how much you WERE making and is less, and that's before the income-tax withholdings.) I'm in physical pain doing a job I don't especially like in the one area of said industry I said from day one of culinary school I was NOT interested in doing, but it's better than what I was getting on unemployment!


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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
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    I have a question for those saying they're having trouble finding workers for what mostly sounds like shift work, retail, unskilled labor and similar: what do you do when you get the person with a four-year or graduate degree who is looking for 'pay the bills' work? I have always had a TERRIBLE time getting hired in retail, for example, and actually have never gotten hired for it, despite having cash-handling skills from working cafe-type restaurants and from having my own small business (jewelry and antiques), because they assume, fairly, that if I get an offer in my field I'd be gone. Though a quick look at my resume ought to tell them how rare that is.
    My advice is to lie. Don't put your college degree on the retail applications. Tell them you love their products and have always wanted to work in their store.

    This concept of not wanting to hire college graduates because they might leave when they get their "real" job is silly. There's a ton of turnover in retail anyways. I'd rather have a short term worked who is educated and competent and looking for advancement knowing they're liking to leave when they can find a better job. Plus some retail operations have advancement opportunities for college graduates for management. I'd want to promote someone who has both the degree and has worked on the floor.

    'Course this is not what hiring managers think about in retail, so just lie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DieBlaueReiterin View Post
    this thread is interesting to me, because i've been noticing tons of help wanted signs around my area lately (philly). my mom is up in the lehigh valley as the head nurse at a ltc facility, and told me the other day how they're going through employees like crazy because they just...don't show up.
    My mom used to do the same thing, nursing homes & home health. She had one woman come in to fill out an application wearing sweat pants and had her hair in rollers. Mom hired her just to screw her very obvious plan of continued unemployement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    If he was fired for cause, wouldn't that mean he couldn't get unemployment? You get it if you're let go for no work available, surplus employee, position eliminated, and things like that, but my understanding (at least here) is if they actively fire you for a reason, you're NOT eligible because you had work and you screwed it up.
    !
    Fired employee can still file for unemployment and have it go to an hearing. The employer has to present documentation as to why the employee was fired and why the company should not have to pay the unemployment.
    50-50 chance the employer has to pay. So cheaper and less time comsuming, especially for a this type of business to keep the employee listed.

    edited to add I know a NC employer who has been through this process several times. After the first "fired" employee received unemployment because of lack of documentation they changed the process. Thereafter everything was documented and the employee was advised and signed paperwork with a copy to each. People were kept on in order to for them to change their behavior or if they didn't have overwhelming evidence against them.
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    My DH was unemployed for over two yrs. He did not get unemplyoment for reasons unknown to me though he did apply for it.
    He fill applications a lot of them fo the first year or so, went to the intevews, came back and sat and waited, andwaited, and waited.. He knew wen the intervew ended he wouldnt be hired but he still hoped.
    He knew becase he had 3 things going aginst him no college, age and his on going military (national Guard) service...
    He chose military over college. He is happy and proud of his on going service to his country. No regrets except the interviews go strainge, and abruptly end. While they dont say anything about military service they all get strainge looks and abruptly end the interview. With saying We will call if we want you.
    Age he cant do any thing about that. He will be 50 in 2weeks and well when he is applying with bunch of "kds" for same job..
    So he jst sat for a year not even looking not doing anything except playing the WII... And doing his NG drill every month. Until fate lnded us in a taxi driven by the owmer who asked if we knew a vet who needed a job... and DH is now employeed and has been for a year. TG becase I was about to kill him..
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