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    *edited because it didn't quote the post I intended to*

    That "all" website is the scariest thing I've seen all day. Equating birth control to recreational drugs...
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    Why must you chastise my brilliant idea with facts and logic? **picks up toys (and wine) and goes home**


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    All of you voting for Romney. Think about this.

    Romney is still supporting Mourdock. Romney's campaign released this statement on his behalf: "I disagree with his views on rape and incest, but I still support him."

    THINK ABOUT THAT. He disagrees with Mourdock's views on RAPE and INCEST yet still supports him. WTH???


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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2051752.html

    And another GOP male doesn't get it...


    John Koster, a Republican congressional candidate in Washington state, said Sunday that "the rape thing" is not a good enough reason for a woman to have an abortion, the Associated Press reported.

    Asked at a campaign fundraiser whether he supports abortion rights in some situations, Koster replied that he only supports abortion in cases where a woman's life is in danger.

    "Incest is so rare, I mean, it's so rare," he said. "But the rape thing-- you know, I know a woman who was raped and kept the child, gave it up for adoption, and she doesn't regret it."

    He added, "On the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime -- how does that make it better? You know what I mean?"



    They just don't get it and they don't want to. They want women to shut up and take it, and they don't want women to have rights...


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    All of you voting for Romney. Think about this.

    Romney is still supporting Mourdock. Romney's campaign released this statement on his behalf: "I disagree with his views on rape and incest, but I still support him."

    THINK ABOUT THAT. He disagrees with Mourdock's views on RAPE and INCEST yet still supports him. WTH???


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    I couldn't even read the all dot whatever website. The first few headings made my eyes bleed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    This is a tangent but something to also think about. The pressure on girls to have sex that birth control is abundant for many.

    Prior to the 1960s you could say, No sex because I might get pregnant (even with a condom). Guys understood that. Once The Pill came in there was a shift: Go on the pill and we can have sex all the time. And right away, too.

    A lot of pressure was put on young women in the 1970s and after. Whaddya mean, no sex? Go on the pill!

    Intercourse was on its way to becoming the routine of happening really fast in a relationship that it is today.
    I think you have some really screwed up thoughts about women and sex.
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    Why can't we all just agree that rape is a gift from God?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    Why can't we all just agree that rape is a gift from God?
    I normally appreciate and respect your posts. This one not so much.
    We can't we all just agree that rape is a gift from evil. Everyone gets to name their own evil.
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    I think one of the reasons that GOP men especially (and some GOP women too) is that they want everything based on Christian ideology and Christian ideals. That is okay up to a point. If you raise your kids to believe premarital sex is wrong and not to have it, why do they hold the idea that rape is somehow the woman's fault, and she should have to just deal with it. That is where the disconnect is that I can't get their reasoning. Not having sex until marriage is no guarantee you won't be raped, and rape can happen to married women, single women, women of all ages. Like the article I posted above this GOP man running for office thinks rape and pregnancy by rape is rare. How in this modern age can someone actually think that? I feel like the Republican party has gone out of their way to bury their head in the sand about the real world and what happens in it. They can have all the nice ideals they want but in real life women are attacked, women are brutalized and they want those women to just act like it never happened. This is crazy to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saultgirl View Post
    I think you have some really screwed up thoughts about women and sex.
    Nope, not at all. I lived through that societal change and was at university in the 1970s and saw it/heard it first hand in the psychology dept. & health centers where I worked. So did the people who wrote papers about it, too. It's the flip side of the wonderful freedom the Pill gave to women. We could have sex when we wanted without the fear of pregnancy. That was great, but there was a different side for a lot of young women. Both sides had valid experiences, and yes, as a liberal I look at both viewpoints and give them validity, not insisting that my experience is the only "right" one and saying that people who have had a different experience than my own are "really screwed up."


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    In theory, apparently to some, the concept of no abortion, except to save the live of the mother, might sound OK. But, try applying it to specific situations.

    For example. I'm a DES daughter and have a malformed uterus and an incompetent cervix. I am (or was, I'm 50 now) fertile. I have two children, but only because of massive medical intervention and lots of time in bed. My cervix cannot bear the weight of a fetus bigger than about 19 weeks gestation. I had my cervix sewn shut and then had to be on bedrest from 18 weeks on with both pregnancies. First one didn't go so well, my water broke early and I delivered at 26 weeks (boy is OK though, he's now 22...only cost about $300,000 to get him healthy, so thankful for health insurance!). Second time I did better...made it to 37 weeks.

    So, what would have happend if I were raped and no abortion were available to me? Do I just go about my business and deliver a unviable baby at 19 weeks and let it die? That's cruel and unusual punishment to both of us. Do I go get the medical care I need to try to carry to term...at great financial expense to me? And, spend up to five months lying in bed, unable to work? With a very high risk of delivering extremely early and having a seriously disabled child? Who would pay for that?

    I mean, really. I'm not the only one out there like this. My life was never in danger, the babies lives most certainly were. What's the moral answer there? Where's the "gift from God" in that situation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fooler View Post
    We can't we all just agree that rape is a gift from evil. Everyone gets to name their own evil.
    Rape is a crime.

    Rape is a crime, according to the laws of all jurisdictions in the US. It is not an act that is tied to religion or to deities or to supernatural belief systems in any way under the law.

    A politician like Mr. Mourdock connects the crime of rape to his religious belief of forcing a woman to bear the child of her rapist. This would be expressed and acted upon by his support for or introduction of legislation that would force his religious belief on women who are victims of the crime of rape.

    This isn't about gifts or evil. It's about respect for our fellow citizens and their right to their own choices and beliefs. It's about holding a rapist, and only the rapist, accountable for his criminal actions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Nope, not at all. I lived through that societal change and was at university in the 1970s and saw it/heard it first hand in the psychology dept. & health centers where I worked. So did the people who wrote papers about it, too. It's the flip side of the wonderful freedom the Pill gave to women. We could have sex when we wanted without the fear of pregnancy. That was great, but there was a different side for a lot of young women. Both sides had valid experiences, and yes, as a liberal I look at both viewpoints and give them validity, not insisting that my experience is the only "right" one and saying that people who have had a different experience than my own are "really screwed up."
    Eh, the thing that I took issue with was the idea that women have to have a "reason" to say no to sex and without a "valid reason" they should be expected to just lay back and enjoy it. I don't need a reason to say no - in this more than in anything, no truly is a complete sentence. No explanation necessary.

    The other idea that I took issue with was that women have to be talked into sex. The advent of The Pill was liberating in that it allowed women to have sex if they so desired without the worry of getting pregnant. Women want and enjoy sex as much as men. We don't all have to be bullied into it.

    Now, I'm pretty sure you didn't intend to imply either of these things, but your post read like you did.
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    JER, if I could like your post (#232) 600x I would.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Nope, not at all. I lived through that societal change and was at university in the 1970s and saw it/heard it first hand in the psychology dept. & health centers where I worked. So did the people who wrote papers about it, too. It's the flip side of the wonderful freedom the Pill gave to women. We could have sex when we wanted without the fear of pregnancy. That was great, but there was a different side for a lot of young women. Both sides had valid experiences, and yes, as a liberal I look at both viewpoints and give them validity, not insisting that my experience is the only "right" one and saying that people who have had a different experience than my own are "really screwed up."

    I have to say, as someone who attended college in 1998 – 2002, my experiences were very different than yours. The “pill” did not allow for sexual freedom, we had DISEASES to worry about. AIDS is / was the biggie, but a host of others as well.

    The “pill” did not provide any protection from this, and thus, I never (and my friends never spoke of) pressure to have sex because we “couldn’t get pregnant”.

    Course, I didn’t go on the pill until I met my now hubby, and most of my friends did not go on the pill until they were in committed relationships – this day and age, casual sex has other consequences besides pregnancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Appsolute View Post
    I have to say, as someone who attended college in 1998 – 2002, my experiences were very different than yours. The “pill” did not allow for sexual freedom, we had DISEASES to worry about. AIDS is / was the biggie, but a host of others as well.

    The “pill” did not provide any protection from this, and thus, I never (and my friends never spoke of) pressure to have sex because we “couldn’t get pregnant”.

    Course, I didn’t go on the pill until I met my now hubby, and most of my friends did not go on the pill until they were in committed relationships – this day and age, casual sex has other consequences besides pregnancy.
    I was in college 1980-1984. AIDS was unknown and herpes was only starting to rear it's ugly head when I was a junior. No one knew anything about HPV. Every other venearal disease was treatable by antibiotics. Yes, there most certainly was pressure to have sex...there was the pill and there were antibiotics. The only other potential risk was emotional and everyone has always underplayed that one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Nope, not at all. I lived through that societal change and was at university in the 1970s and saw it/heard it first hand in the psychology dept. & health centers where I worked. So did the people who wrote papers about it, too. It's the flip side of the wonderful freedom the Pill gave to women. We could have sex when we wanted without the fear of pregnancy. That was great, but there was a different side for a lot of young women. Both sides had valid experiences, and yes, as a liberal I look at both viewpoints and give them validity, not insisting that my experience is the only "right" one and saying that people who have had a different experience than my own are "really screwed up."
    We are of the same age group and saw/experienced the same. In the 1960-1970's BC was not prescribed unless your were about to be married or married. Some girls received BC to control their periods. But it was not really talked about.
    Many changes since then, some good, some not so good.
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    [QUOTE=JER;6641265]Rape is a crime.

    Rape is a crime, according to the laws of all jurisdictions in the US. It is not an act that is tied to religion or to deities or to supernatural belief systems in any way under the law.

    A politician like Mr. Mourdock connects the crime of rape to his religious belief of forcing a woman to bear the child of her rapist. This would be expressed and acted upon by his support for or introduction of legislation that would force his religious belief on women who are victims of the crime of rape.

    This isn't about gifts or evil. It's about respect for our fellow citizens and their right to their own choices and beliefs. It's about holding a rapist, and only the rapist, accountable for his criminal actions.[/

    Check my first post on this thread where I disagree with his statement.
    I disagree with you comment that rape is a gift from God. It is equally as close minded as Mourdock.
    Once again, I believe rapists, properly identified and convicted, should be put to death.
    The victim of the rape should be treated as an individual and with dignity and compassion.
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    Fooler, I'm pretty sure JER was being sarcastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    All of you voting for Romney. Think about this.

    Romney is still supporting Mourdock. Romney's campaign released this statement on his behalf: "I disagree with his views on rape and incest, but I still support him."

    THINK ABOUT THAT. He disagrees with Mourdock's views on RAPE and INCEST yet still supports him. WTH???
    Romney was pro-choice until he started looking into stem cell research, which is when he switched to pro-life.

    I don'tr agree with all that Romney stands for, but I dang sure don't agree with most of what Obama stands for. He is VERY much pro-abortion - to the point of supporting third term abortions, partial birth abortions etc. I'm all for women's rights, but when a woman is pregnant, it's no longer about her rights only.


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