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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    Obama has raised $678,611 from defense personnel both civilian and uniformed employees, while Romney has raised just $398,450.

    Employees at the U.S. Department of Defense gave the most to Obama, doling out roughly $175,000. Soldiers and sailors came in next, giving $165,646 and $86,656 respectively.

    The donations are in stark contrast to polling showing Romney with a major lead over Obama when it comes to military support.

    [READ: Military Vote Missing This Election — Including In Big Swing States]

    A Military Times poll earlier this month showed Romney led Obama two to one. Those surveyed said the economy—not matters of national security—was a major reason they would vote for Romney.

    Obama's fundraising lead among military personnel probably has a lot to do with the fact his military appointees are running DOD right now, says Peter Feaver, a political science professor at Duke University.



    "These are not necessarily people who are in uniform giving to Obama, they are political appointees who come in with a party and they change when a new party comes in," Feaver says. "They got these jobs through political loyalty and donating is how they demonstrate they are loyal."
    You asked whether 500 retired military officers uniting in support of Romney told me something. My answer is "not really."

    First of all, serving in the military doesn't make you an expert on who will best run the country.

    Secondly, regarding this:

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    "These are not necessarily people who are in uniform giving to Obama, they are political appointees who come in with a party and they change when a new party comes in," Feaver says. "They got these jobs through political loyalty and donating is how they demonstrate they are loyal."
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    The article I linked explicitly states that both DoD civilians and uniformed employees gave to Obama--DoD employees gave $175,000, SOLDIERS and SAILORS gave only slightly less--$165,646.

    And we want to reduce the national debt/deficit, but heaven FORBID we cut military spending.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    So very true.

    I'm going to vote for Obama the president who killed Osama Bin Laden. Clearly the current administration has much to be proud of .
    Obama is very proud of:

    $6 trillion added to the US Debt
    23 million unemployed Americans
    47 million on food stamps or welfare
    Obamacare - the single largest tax increase ever inplemented
    1 in 6 Americans living in poverty.


    Yes, I guess he is very proud right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Invested1 View Post
    That's not necessarily true at all.
    You don't know that armed with the same information that Romney wouldn't have made the exact same decision.
    I respect your POV and likewise, you and I don't know that he wouldn't have directed a swift response. One thing is for darn sure, the media would hold Mitt's feet to fire, something that has been lacking the past 48 months.

    Let's conduct an experiment, put Mitt in for 4 years and see how he does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SLW View Post
    I respect your POV and likewise, you and I don't know that he wouldn't have directed a swift response. One thing is for darn sure, the media would hold Mitt's feet to fire, something that has been lacking the past 48 months.

    Let's conduct an experiment, put Mitt in for 4 years and see how he does.
    Completely agree on the not knowing aspect. To me, that's why I find it silly to debate those types of issues....

    Sorry, can't help you there....


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    According to Romney staffers today in New Hampshire when asked about last minute preparations for the election...the answer was praying.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    $6 trillion added to the US Debt
    23 million unemployed Americans
    47 million on food stamps or welfare
    1 in 6 Americans living in poverty.


    Yes, I guess he is very proud right now.
    Sonny boy Bush's accomplishments
    ... _. ._ .._. .._


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    Quote Originally Posted by Equibrit View Post
    Sonny boy Bush's accomplishments
    Bush only added $3 Trillion to the US Debt, he pales by comparison!


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    You do not have to be in office to add to the National debt. All you have to do is allow a banking crisis caused by greed.
    http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/
    ... _. ._ .._. .._


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    Bush only added $3 Trillion to the US Debt, he pales by comparison!
    If you use fake math, sure.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...Q_graphic.html

    I'm sure you'll still cling to your "numbers" because clearly these were generated by the "liberal media" but I figure someone else might find this nice, easy to understand graphic interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    Bush only added $3 Trillion to the US Debt, he pales by comparison!
    You do realize that both wars were off the books and not included in the national debt under Bush, right?
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    You do realize that both wars were off the books and not included in the national debt under Bush, right?
    That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. There was no "off the books" financing during the Bush administration.

    The national debt when Bush took office: 6 trillion, eight years later when he left office it was $10 trillion. He added $4 trillion to the US Debt in 8 years. Included in all 8 years of spending were the 2 wars.

    The national debt when Obama took office was $10 trillion,, it is now $16 trillion. HE ADDED $6 TRILLION TO THE US DEBT in only 4 years.

    I can not even imagine what he would do with 4 more years. The US Debt would be well over $20 trillion dollars by that time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie View Post
    If you use fake math, sure.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...Q_graphic.html

    I'm sure you'll still cling to your "numbers" because clearly these were generated by the "liberal media" but I figure someone else might find this nice, easy to understand graphic interesting.
    Natalie, you are completely WRONG.

    That is the most laughable analysis. Why not blame all of the social security shortfalls in the Debt on FDR with that logic.


    The only person responsible for the budget from 2008 - 2012 is OBAMA.
    Last edited by Noms; Nov. 5, 2012 at 05:52 PM. Reason: clarity


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    Noms you are so absolutely wrong, it's a lie.

    #1 The war was not included into the budget until after Obama took office THAT is common knowledge unless you live under a rock.

    #2 Pssst Obama didn't take office until January of 2009.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    Noms you are so absolutely wrong, it's a lie.

    #1 The war was not included into the budget until after Obama took office THAT is common knowledge unless you live under a rock.

    #2 Pssst Obama didn't take office until January of 2009.
    Where do you people come up with this nonsense.

    BTW, US budgets are based on fiscal years... Betcha didnt know that...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Equibrit View Post
    Sonny boy Bush's accomplishments
    True.


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    Yes I did know that, however we are not talking about what I know. We are talking about what YOUR obvious misleading posts. I could post reputable link after link but your dogma supersedes your comprehension skills. Either that or you can't read being I already posted a reputable link showing the way on the other thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    Noms you are so absolutely wrong, it's a lie.

    #1 The war was not included into the budget until after Obama took office THAT is common knowledge unless you live under a rock.

    #2 Pssst Obama didn't take office until January of 2009.
    Very true and yes, common knowledge. Factcheck.org


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    Quote Originally Posted by Equibrit View Post
    You do not have to be in office to add to the National debt. All you have to do is allow a banking crisis caused by greed.
    http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/
    EVERYONE should watch this movie! EVERYONE! Not many things affect me emotionally in this life anymore. This eye opening documentary gave me considerable pause.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    EVERYONE should watch this movie! EVERYONE! Not many things affect me emotionally in this life anymore. This eye opening documentary gave me considerable pause.
    Movies !! Voter information via movies ... Gasland, inconvenient truth..., might as well watch The View for in depth analyis of the issues. It's all emotion to solve hard problems.

    We're doomed ! ... I'm gonna buy ammo & hard tack biscuits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    Bush only added $3 Trillion to the US Debt, he pales by comparison!
    And obama called President Bush Un-Patriotic and irresponsible for spending 3 trillion in Eight years, YET obama added 6 trillion in less than 4 years...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U


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