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    Well said, sunny59.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hosspuller View Post
    Since none of us were there in Bengazi at the time of the terrorist attack, I have to throw a different thought on the use of the laser targer designator. IF there wasn't an aircraft overhead, the terrorists didn't know that. The laser beam can be detected if one knows how. Terrorists are not stupid. The stupid ones were killed early in Iraq. Pres Bush was right to have the fight there instead of American soil. I digress... Perhaps the laser was being used to disrupt the mortar attack. The CIA guys might have been counting on the laser being detected to force the mortar crew to move their position. That would mean taking down and resetting the mortar. The downside is then they gave away their position on the roof. It was a tactic to buy time... For help that never came in time.
    I said I was done with this topic, but I wanted to say thank you for supplying one of the alternative scenarios I mentioned above. It could have indeed been a heroic sacrifice by those men on the roof, meant to disrupt the mortar attack.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alittlegray View Post
    Look, Google AC130. Google sigonella. Google CIA on the roof with laser. Seriously. What is it that is not substantiated? It will take you less than five minutes to confirm what a spectre gunship is, what kind of ordnance it carries, and how it is used. A kindergartner could do it.

    And do you not get that the whole question we want answered is WHY? Really? I would like the answer to that VERY much. That is the whole point. And I very much hope Mr. Obama gets a chance to answer that question, under oath.
    Yes, I can google all of those things and have yet to find evidence that an AC130 was there.

    oops, had to do one more since that was a response to my post. I had already done those things a long time ago.... I undertand the argument you are making, just not the conclusion and the reason is the conclusion doesn't make sense. So I looks for alternative explanations that do make sense.


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    Where? At sigonella? They are there - at most it was an hour away. At most. Odds are better either the drone was armed or the ac130 was onsite. Ask anyone who has dealt in close air support regarding laser guided ordnance. To "detect" the laser guide, the mortar people who were trying to detect it in the scenario described would have had to have a laser warning receiver as it is not as simple as just pointing IR goggles around to see if you can catch a signal. It doesn't work that way.

    I understand that the conclusion is what is at issue here...I too want to know what is being hidden so we all understand. The question isn't "was there a cover up" as obviously there was one with the whole video thing. The question is who and why.
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    Oh, goody, National Geographic Channel is showing ads for their movie about
    the killing of Bin Laden Sunday. Wonder if anything will happen in the Mid-east
    over it since they were supposedly so incensed over the youtube video? Most of the protesters at the various embassies on 9/11 were chanting "we are all Osamas, Obama."

    There's a made for the theaters movie about the Bin Ladin raid that was supposed to come out in October but Sony backed the opening date up until after the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alittlegray View Post
    Oh sweet and merciful Lord. I am guessing he was upset that our "president" told the bad guys exactly when we planned to move out so they could resume being, well, bad guys openly. Do you not GET that, with all your superior knowledge?

    Maybe the rules of engagement tying our hands are that WE are required to abide by the Geneva convention - they are not. Do you know what the Geneva convention is? Cause I want to make sure it doesn't look like we maybe know something you don't.
    Woa. You ARE ignorant. And a lot of other unsavory things, sadly. In addition, you're confusing me with someone else.

    The bad guys have never stopped being bad guys, unless you count winter when fighting calms down ANYWAY. Afghanistan is an unwinnable conflict. Incredibly difficult terrain, and everyone split into tribes.

    Someone suggesting that the US shouldn't follow Geneva convention is sickening. The US has killed tens of thousands of civilians in the Middle East the last decade as it is. Intelligence should have been doing what this war has attempted to do all along.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny59 View Post
    Minnie, my condolences for your loss and my heartfelt thanks to your husband for selflessly serving his country.

    I might not agree with you on some of this stuff, but we certainly can agree that your husband and others that haved served out country deserve the utmost of respect!
    Minnie's husband did serve his country but did not die in combat, just to clarify. Sadly he died of cancer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by grayarabpony View Post
    Woa. You ARE ignorant. And a lot of other unsavory things, sadly. In addition, you're confusing me with someone else.

    The bad guys have never stopped being bad guys, unless you count winter when fighting calms down ANYWAY. Afghanistan is an unwinnable conflict. Incredibly difficult terrain, and everyone split into tribes.

    Someone suggesting that the US shouldn't follow Geneva convention is sickening. The US has killed tens of thousands of civilians in the Middle East the last decade as it is. Intelligence should have been doing what this war has attempted to do all along.
    Once again, calling me "ignorant" and "a lot of other unsavory things" just makes you look foolish. I don't need to run down my background again, and I can guarantee you I know a whole hell of a lot more about what is going on in Afghanistan than you do, and what conditions are like on the ground.

    I never suggested we shouldn't follow the Geneva convention, I was pointing out the difference between them and US. They have an advantage because we have rules of engagement and they KNOW it. It is a weakness. That doesn't mean I believe we should stop adhering to the Geneva convention.

    And if you think that by telling them exactly when we plan to leave we didn't weaken our own position then you just demonstrated very clearly for everyone your failure to grasp basic military tactics.

    Come up with something other than calling me names and telling me how "sickening" I am. Grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alittlegray View Post
    I don't need to run down my background again, and I can guarantee you I know a whole hell of a lot more about what is going on in Afghanistan than you do, and what conditions are like on the ground.

    And if you think that by telling them exactly when we plan to leave we didn't weaken our own position then you just demonstrated very clearly for everyone your failure to grasp basic military tactics.
    Oh, so clearly you are involved in the military organizational strategy meetings for foreign policy. Really, people who know more military information do not come on BBs and brag about themselves. It is sad that you are expecting people to take you seriously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BasqueMom View Post
    Oh, goody, National Geographic Channel is showing ads for their movie about
    the killing of Bin Laden Sunday. Wonder if anything will happen in the Mid-east
    over it since they were supposedly so incensed over the youtube video? Most of the protesters at the various embassies on 9/11 were chanting "we are all Osamas, Obama."

    There's a made for the theaters movie about the Bin Ladin raid that was supposed to come out in October but Sony backed the opening date up until after the election.
    Regarding your last paragraph. Isn't that laughable?
    "The makers of a movie on the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden -- and which airs two days before the election -- say it is not an endorsement of President Obama."

    Obama, hillary and susan rice all claimed the Benghazi attack that killed 4 Americans was the result of a Youtube video, YET, they have no problem with the release of this film, because it glorifies obama... Plus the films Producer is a big obama supporter. How convenient.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alittlegray View Post
    Once again, calling me "ignorant" and "a lot of other unsavory things" just makes you look foolish. I don't need to run down my background again, and I can guarantee you I know a whole hell of a lot more about what is going on in Afghanistan than you do, and what conditions are like on the ground.

    I never suggested we shouldn't follow the Geneva convention, I was pointing out the difference between them and US. They have an advantage because we have rules of engagement and they KNOW it. It is a weakness. That doesn't mean I believe we should stop adhering to the Geneva convention.

    And if you think that by telling them exactly when we plan to leave we didn't weaken our own position then you just demonstrated very clearly for everyone your failure to grasp basic military tactics.

    Come up with something other than calling me names and telling me how "sickening" I am. Grow up.
    Name calling is all they have left.... Corner them like a Badger and let the name calling begin.


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    Recieved this in an email today: Very well said!

    When Obama called the SEALs, they got bin Laden, but when the SEALs called Obama, they got denied"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntertwo View Post
    Regarding your last paragraph. Isn't that laughable?
    "The makers of a movie on the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden -- and which airs two days before the election -- say it is not an endorsement of President Obama."

    Obama, hillary and susan rice all claimed the Benghazi attack that killed 4 Americans was the result of a Youtube video, YET, they have no problem with the release of this film, because it glorifies obama... Plus the films Producer is a big obama supporter. How convenient.
    PLUS the film originally aired in 2011. Harvey Weinsten, a big liberal, purchased and re-edited the original film "Seal Team Six, the Raid on Osama bin Laden,to include MORE images of obama in the white house situation room, to release 2 days before the election. Now tell me how that isnt a big hollywood liberal move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntertwo View Post
    Recieved this in an email today: Very well said!

    When Obama called the SEALs, they got bin Laden, but when the SEALs called Obama, they got denied"
    wow, how stunningly accurate!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    PLUS the film originally aired in 2011. Harvey Weinsten, a big liberal, purchased and re-edited the original film "Seal Team Six, the Raid on Osama bin Laden,to include MORE images of obama in the white house situation room, to release 2 days before the election. Now tell me how that isnt a big hollywood liberal move.
    The majority of "Hollywood" are libs. The conservatives keep it to themselves or risk losing work...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntertwo View Post
    The majority of "Hollywood" are libs. The conservatives keep it to themselves or risk losing work...
    Only the big stars can say their mind ... like C. Eastwood or C. Heston. Reagan left the industry when he entered politics.


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    Wow. The childishness continues. You're going around in packs.

    You picked three nutball actors as the ones to be proud of?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Sorry, I can't take this seriously. Libya is more than a few hours flight from DC - seriously doubt that the President's USAF escort could have been sent to save anybody in any reasonable amount of time.

    Here's my problem with this so called "analysis" - it ignores the difficulties and realities surrounding the situation. Realities like geography. We do not exist in a vacuum - our actions on an international stage have international consequences. I don't believe that a complete understanding can be reached through a perusal of your favorite conservative blog. It's more complex than your favorite sound bite.

    Again, if you don't want to vote for President Obama, please don't. If you think it was handled poorly, then by all means, voice your opinion. But let's try to be a little intelligent about discussing such a tragic situation.
    She was being intelligent. She was not saying that the same support group that went with O to Vegas could have been sent to the ME. She was saying that the ones that were in range should have been utilized. TPTB knew what was going on-when it was happening. They denied help to those that requested help when it was known that there had been trial runs and tensions were high. They dishonored themselves and people died because of inaction . It is is possible there would have been deaths anyway-but at least they would have been as the result of trying to DO something instead of worrying about a danged fundraiser.
    Bottom line, the man needs to do the job he was elected to do instead of trying to get 4 more years. There is a time to campaign and a time to work. Apparently, this dishonorable man has no idea about timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny59 View Post
    OK, let's separate the issues first.

    I'm not talking about the percieved notion that we were purposefully misled about the attack.

    Let's leave that for now, although there are all kinds of reasons for this. We can come back to that.

    My specific question is for those folks that claim the administration purposefully let people die without intervening.

    Why? What plausible reason is there for this occuring?

    If you can come up with a plausible reason, then we can debate whther or not that reason was valid given the knowledge of the circumstances at the time of the attack.

    You can not criticize the actions during the attack without doing this exercise.

    What I'm hearing is that the president is just some big dumb ninny who sat and watched and didn't do anything or worse yet, kept something from happening because for some unknown and nefarious reason he thought that was the right thing to do. Sorry, don't buy it, and I wouldn't buy it if it were Romney or another pub in the same position.
    I don't KNOW his motives. I can speculate, but I don't KNOW> What I do know is that he has made the statement that he would stand with "our" Muslim brothers. This is basically what he did.

    I will give credit on one thing to the person who calls himself Commander in Chief. He told us point blank what he was going to do when he made the statement in 2008 that America was a great nation, he wanted us to help him fundamentally change it. Many people thought it was a gaffe, but I don't believe so. He was raised by Socialists, mentored by an admitted Communist, and associated with domestic terrorists. Who knows what kind of vile ideas he has or what his motivations are/were. His actions have shown his character. Someone on here has the sig line-When someone shows you who they are, believe them...
    Well, I have seen him,and I believe him to be dishonorable. Being stupid or hard headed or just wrong can be overlooked. Mistakes can be forgiven. Being dishonorable--not sure how that one can be overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    watching/reading folks on here who don't have a CLUE as to anything military is less than comical.

    My husband was in that Iraq war. And Bosnia. And Afghanistan. Have you ever had someone call you before the news to reassure you that yes, his office was blown up and yes, there were some people killed, but he wasn't at the office at that time?

    Have you ever had your husband call from Africa to tell you he loved you because he was targeted by Osama Bin Laden and he didn't think he was going to get a chance to see you again? Fortunately, our intel guys found the bomb before they blew him up.

    Have you ever had your husband in a war zone and not hear from him for long periods of time and wonder what conditions he's in and if he's safe?

    Comical?

    My husband gave his entire life in service to his country. He loved this country and our whole family sacrificed. He was always torn because his sense of duty was so strong that it kept him away from his family for such long periods of time.

    In January of 2009, as Obama was stating we would be leaving Afghanistan and GAVE A DATE and his other objectives, my husband was sitting in a recliner, dying of cancer with tears streaming down his eyes and asking if his life had been a waste and if all the sacrifice was for nothing.

    He was proud of his country, proud of his military and knew exactly what we were capable of. Unfortunately, the politicians give our men and women a mission and then tie their hands, making their work so much more dangerous with their "rules of engagement", that it's a wonder they put up with it at all.

    Comical?

    You don't have a clue. Your ignorance shows with every post you make.

    We have the finest military in the world, the best trained, the best equipped and the smartest. And our president isn't fit to shine their boots.
    Minnie-BRAVO.You are completely right in so so so many ways. I appreciate you and your dh's sacrifice.
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