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    Default hoof x-rays

    I just was emailed hoof x-rays for my mare who was "diagnosed" with cushings. I say "diagnosed" as there was no test done due to the time of year (fall) and her only symptom is "seasonal laminitis". This is the first time she's been footsore since 2004 when she was determined to be IR. Since then she's not had any IR issues due to change in diet, etc.

    Now she isn't just "ouchy" but full on lame in both fronts with the typical founder "stance" and just would not move. She been on bute and was started on pergolide and is now wearing the soft ride boots and is getting around better.

    The horse is living at my mothers and I'm getting bits of info from her that the vet said and the vet isn't specific about any trim/shoe suggestions other than "she'll need her toes trimmed back quite a bit and maybe some heel work" is the quote from my Moms email (that is what the vet told her???). My farrier was sent the x-rays and emailed the vet about any specific trimming instructions but no word yet as that was just last night).

    I was wondering if I could email the x-rays to someone here so they could post them to this thread as I'm unable to post? I'd like opinions on how "severe" the rotation looks to you all (when the vet emailed the x-rays to my farrier she used the word "severe"). I'm not that knowledgeable at looking at these so any input would be appreciated.

    FYI-the mare is a 22 yr old Morgan who has had 8 foals (last being in 2009).



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    Just get a photobucket or flickr account and upload to there, much easier. Then just link to the account
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    Instead of asking for diagnosis/treatment recommendations on a BB, why don't you call the veterinarian and ask her/him about it directly??? If you're not satisfied with the answers, seek a second opinion from another VETERINARIAN.



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    I have but was also asking here.

    But....NEVERMIND THEN!!!!!!!!!!



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    I would love to see the rads

    There's NOTHING wrong with using this board as a sounding block despite what some would have you believe.

    Not everyone even knows what they don't know to begin asking the right questions to find a 2nd opinion they can trust.
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    Ok, I opened a photobucket account...hope this works!

    http://s1281.photobucket.com/albums/a520/vtdobes/



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    Quote Originally Posted by zipperfoot View Post
    Instead of asking for diagnosis/treatment recommendations on a BB, why don't you call the veterinarian and ask her/him about it directly??? If you're not satisfied with the answers, seek a second opinion from another VETERINARIAN.
    If you read her op, she's not asking for a *diagnosis/treatment* recommendation. She is looking for opinions and any inputs on how severe the rotation looks.

    I hope vtdobes you are able to post the x-rays. I am interested in learning too!



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    Definitely some long toes - needs to be correctly addressed ASAP.

    Did the vet measure sole thickness?
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    She is 2 weeks overdue for a trim. We put off the scheduled trim to wait until after the x-rays were done in case the vet had any special instructions. Plus she was too sore to be able to stand with one front foot up for a trim anyway; we are hoping she'll be ok on Thursday when my farrier sees her.

    This mare has had notoriously bad feet in spite of regular trims and good care since I got her in 2004. My farrier suspects she foundered prior to my ownership and just had all around bad hoof care.

    She was treated for "suspect" PHF in August...my mother said though she recovered fine with treatment she's just been NQR since. So, maybe that played a part. And yes, she is vaccinated yearly for PHF and was boostered a month after her treatment.

    Not sure about sole measurement...will have to ask.



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    Can you ask your vet for the % of rotation from new growth? I am no expert at all, but with both my ponies that had symptoms and rads taken this year, the vet gave me a degree of rotation based on "new growth". This was especially useful regarding my new rescue pony who had very overgrown and poorly trimmed feet. If you measured the rotation from the hoof wall, it looked much worse than what she perceived the actual angle of the hoof wall would be with a good trim and the flares taken away. Does that make sense?

    Hopefully one of the farriers or vets can chime in. My vet showed me how they compared the bone to the wall of the hoof, but she had a special computer tool that calculated it for her...

    FWIW, this hoof does look like it has much more rotation than either of mine did.

    If necessary, you can have the vet nerve block the feet for a trim and shoeing.



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    She may be 2 weeks overdue based on the calendar, but she's far, far longer overdue for a proper trim. Her long toes have been going on for the better part of a whole growth cycle, and potentially longer.
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    Huh...she's gotten 8 week trims for the last 8 years. Does that mean she needs less interval?



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    Quote Originally Posted by vtdobes View Post
    Huh...she's gotten 8 week trims for the last 8 years. Does that mean she needs less interval?
    Quality, not quantity. (Although 8 weeks is long for most horses.)
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    Very possibly she needs more frequent trimming. Any competent farrier who was already doing competent work should have seen the toes creeping out and informed you she needed to be done more frequently. I can easily see feet that started out fine creep ever so slowly out like this if the carrier doesn't know or care about it.

    Do you have any decent enough pics that show her feet for a year ago and a couple years ago?
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    I don't think 8 weeks is long for *my* horses but that is another debate! Mine all get 8 week trims when barefoot and 6 weeks with shoes and they do fine.
    This mare is a different story as she had a hard beginning and 8 babies and was diagnosed IR in 2004. I got her in 2004 at age 13 with all of her man made issues both physical and mental.

    Anyway...I added some full body photos of her to the album. They are all various stages of different pregnancies so don't judge her on her ummmm figure!

    http://s1281.photobucket.com/albums/a520/vtdobes/

    These photos show her in pregnancies from 2004 thru 2009.



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    As a horse owner and not a hoof pro, I would consider that very severe.



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    I have worked on LOTS of foundered horses and have seen LOTS of foundered horse Xrays while , working with the vets.
    Therefore, from my experience I say this horse is in SERIOUS trouble .

    DO NOT TRIM HER AT ALL RIGHT NOW. Doing do may kill her. really.
    Here is why. Though it would have been better if the vet had placed a marker on the dorsal hoof wall to determine exactly where the hairline is, even without it I can assure you that her coffin bones are BADLY SUNK and she is about to penetrate the soles, if not already. She should be in temporary emergency support like YESTERDAY so if she is not then get her in some asap. This could be taped on construction grade styrofoam, high density foam pads with extra frog support either taped on or inside boots, even unrolled whole rolls of gauze taped over her frogs. Or she needs to be in DEEP shavings (at least 18" all across the stall ) or in DEEP loose fine sand (like a foot deep) .

    NO hoof trimming right now, except perhaps a roll across the end of the toe to ease the leverage at the front of the toe. Her bones are in such a precarious of a position that ONE WRONG swipe of the knife or rasp at this stage of the game may finish her off (kill her).
    I know this because in my learning curve on bad founders I have done it.
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    Very possibly she needs more frequent trimming. Any competent farrier who was already doing competent work should have seen the toes creeping out and informed you she needed to be done more frequently.
    In this case the problem is not from the toe moving the toe likely moved because the bone detached and sunk. Very likely not a fault of the farrier at all, and in this mare's case it is the least of her problems .
    I have seen detached toes move forward in less than a week. Yes they need to be rockered to relieve the leverage, but NOTHING else should be touched right now.
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    Ad she is not rotated much if at all but , she is badly SUNK, which is far worse. Sinking creates far more damage to more of the supporting and circulatory structures than a simple rotation, and has a worse prognosis.
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
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    She is wearing these boots right now with the DD/PT inserts.

    http://www.softrideboots.com/Which-O...otic-boots.asp



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