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    I love how RARAs always cheer in excitement about this news. It shows exactly where their priorities lie...Which is not at all with the animals they're pretending to care about.

    You know what scares me? If the outlets to Canada and Mexico are removed, what happens to the 30,000 horses that are usually sent to those plants?

    Same question I asked prior to shutting down equine slaughter in the USA in 2004. The response at the time was "Oh, the market will adjust itself"(we can all see how well that worked). But no safeguards were put into place, there was no extra money diverted to supporting rescues and there were no educational programs set up. Now, we're in a pretty hard bind economically and more people are struggling to take care of their horses even in good times. What do you think is going to happen? The hay fairy is just going to come down and bless these people with enough food, money and water to care for their horses throughout the rest of their days?

    I'm not saying that slaughter is the answer. I think we'd all prefer it not be. But until we start making real, viable alternative options available to owners who've tried everything else it's pretty stupid to just close that outlet all together. This whole subject is complicated, and frustrating as hell when you're actually worried about welfare.



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    Quote Originally Posted by windsor81 View Post
    I love how RARAs always cheer in excitement about this news. It shows exactly where their priorities lie...Which is not at all with the animals they're pretending to care about.

    You know what scares me? If the outlets to Canada and Mexico are removed, what happens to the 30,000 horses that are usually sent to those plants?

    Same question I asked prior to shutting down equine slaughter in the USA in 2004. The response at the time was "Oh, the market will adjust itself"(we can all see how well that worked). But no safeguards were put into place, there was no extra money diverted to supporting rescues and there were no educational programs set up. Now, we're in a pretty hard bind economically and more people are struggling to take care of their horses even in good times. What do you think is going to happen? The hay fairy is just going to come down and bless these people with enough food, money and water to care for their horses throughout the rest of their days?

    I'm not saying that slaughter is the answer. I think we'd all prefer it not be. But until we start making real, viable alternative options available to owners who've tried everything else it's pretty stupid to just close that outlet all together. This whole subject is complicated, and frustrating as hell when you're actually worried about welfare.
    I learned that bringing up real horse welfare to this group here of animal rights extremists is useless.
    All they want is to ban-ban-ban.
    To work within the ways we use horses? Too boring and that is dreary work.
    They want glory and guts and crashes and emergencies, that seems to be what makes their day.
    Let the sky fall in, then they will figure a way to live with the not so unintended, not so surprising consequences of their so poorly thought out actions.

    Example, look what happened when they got the USA plants closed in 2007.
    No real help from them, they moved on to more ban-ban-ban.

    If they really were for horse welfare, that is what they would work for, not follow animal rights extremist groups agendas.
    Oh, they will deny that, but if it walks like a duck ...



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    Oh Oh RARA's are going quiet...same press release..over and over and over...and when one goes to the site...it was posted on COTH...oooo oooo ooo...I just heard Mexico closed their border....oooo.oooo...ooo...I just heard that all horses blah blah blah...

    Bunch of non thinking non solution idiots...making themselves important for their 15 minutes of fame....

    I agree Bluey...I have asked over and over and over... for solutions and all I hear is Tax or Ban or Both.

    Like that book author about the beef industry...just before the interview ends she slips in...and I don't eat meat because of the ethical treatment issues...end of interview.

    These people REFUSE to state up front in plain english..what they spout behind the scenes or when no one can rebutt them.

    That makes me very suspicious of what it is THEY ARE HIDING



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post
    Oh Oh RARA's are going quiet...same press release..over and over and over...and when one goes to the site...it was posted on COTH...oooo oooo ooo...I just heard Mexico closed their border....oooo.oooo...ooo...I just heard that all horses blah blah blah...

    Bunch of non thinking non solution idiots...making themselves important for their 15 minutes of fame....

    I agree Bluey...I have asked over and over and over... for solutions and all I hear is Tax or Ban or Both.

    Like that book author about the beef industry...just before the interview ends she slips in...and I don't eat meat because of the ethical treatment issues...end of interview.

    These people REFUSE to state up front in plain english..what they spout behind the scenes or when no one can rebutt them.

    That makes me very suspicious of what it is THEY ARE HIDING
    OOOHHHH It's a big conspiracy among horse owning, dog and cat owning meat eating COTHer's to eliminate all pet ownership.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post
    Bunch of non thinking non solution idiots...making themselves important for their 15 minutes of fame....
    I've held back long enough Fairfax. The fact you can't seem to post on these threads without being polite baffles me. You are a jerk, plain and simple.
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    Here's what I can't get my mind around. Does anyone really truly believe that the slaughterhouses are running as a public service to help people take care of the overpopulation of old, rundown, unwanted, useless, horses? Sorry, but that's what many of these posts are starting to sound like.

    As far as I know, the slaughterhouses are taking advantage of a constant supply of cheap meat sources that they can send overseas and make a profit on. When that meat source stops becoming profitable enough (PR, unable to trace medical history of horse, too many drugs in the meat, poor quality meat, too expensive to feedlot, and we could go on and on) then they may simply shut down the plants and go home.

    What happens to all of these leftover horses or horses people were counting on being able to sell as loose horses--well, I think it's simply "it's been fun while it lasted, figure it out yourselves."



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    Quote Originally Posted by windsor81 View Post

    You know what scares me? If the outlets to Canada and Mexico are removed, what happens to the 30,000 horses that are usually sent to those plants?
    Owners may have to:

    1) Look into getting a second or third job to support the animals in their care and custody.

    or, if that's too ambitious:

    2) Call the vet out to put said animal(s) down.

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    btw, they're slaughterhouses, not "outlets" for irresponsible breeders and owners.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post
    Bunch of non thinking non solution idiots...making themselves important for their 15 minutes of fame....
    There, there. Don't be so hard on yourself ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by betonbill View Post
    Here's what I can't get my mind around. Does anyone really truly believe that the slaughterhouses are running as a public service to help people take care of the overpopulation of old, rundown, unwanted, useless, horses? Sorry, but that's what many of these posts are starting to sound like.

    As far as I know, the slaughterhouses are taking advantage of a constant supply of cheap meat sources that they can send overseas and make a profit on. When that meat source stops becoming profitable enough (PR, unable to trace medical history of horse, too many drugs in the meat, poor quality meat, too expensive to feedlot, and we could go on and on) then they may simply shut down the plants and go home.

    What happens to all of these leftover horses or horses people were counting on being able to sell as loose horses--well, I think it's simply "it's been fun while it lasted, figure it out yourselves."
    Why such a narrow path to wonder?
    Think a bit larger, expand your mind past what you are comfortable with in your small word.

    What we do thru slaughter is using the natural, renewable resource SOME horses are thru that process.
    Why not? Why waste that resource and worse, waste it where it becomes a liability at our cost?

    There are and always will be more horses than fit every use we make of them other than thru slaughter.
    So are cats and dogs, see how many animal control euthanizes and yes, become waste in our landfills.

    We seem to be headed there with our extra horses now, when some of them, thru slaughter, are an asset, not a liability to dispose at cost, a great cost, I may say.

    You see, slaughter basically is just a process to use the natural, renewable resources some animals are for us.



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    In the DRF article...

    Earlier this year, the Ontario slaughterhouse operated by Viande Richelieu returned two former racehorses, Canuki and Cactus Cafe, to Mark Wedig, partly because anti-slaughter advocates were able to show that the horses had had medications and partly because of publicity surrounding the horses’ sale to the slaughter plant, the anti-slaughter advocates have said.

    Sorry, but there is no Viande Richelieu s/h in Ontario... it is in Quebec. Better check their atlas!!
    And, again, as I have mentioned before... I see no great quantity of NA horse meat on the shelves in France... most of the meat (they have to state country of origin) comes from EU countries and Argentina... In over 10 years of checking in supermarkets/markets, I think I have only seen one package with Canada... Always wondering where it goes... even though it may be imported to France by Bouvry, it does not stay in France apparently.

    I am glad there is finally a consequence to all the lies/forgeries on EID paperwork...



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    It was going to happen sooner or later.

    Researchers on GMO stuff-- another "bad" export of the US-- have pointed out that post Mad Cow Disease scare in England, Western Europe was getting categorically fussy about the food we'd sell them. So of course this is happening!

    It has always surprised me that people would eat the horse meat from North- and South American slaughter houses. Other meat animals are grown in such regulated conditions and they are, by and large, young animals. Besides the adulterated meat from used up racers or whatever, who wants to eat old, gristly 15-year-old?

    The party's over, folks. Europe was the dad who has to go to work in the morning and called the cops to shut down the American rager.
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    Someone may have said it already, my ADHD is working overtime this AM and focusing is tough, but, if the slaughter doesn't want American horses, that's really gonna cut into their profits, isn't it?? The supply will be down quite a bit and, basically, nothing to kill to sell to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Why such a narrow path to wonder?
    Think a bit larger, expand your mind past what you are comfortable with in your small word.
    Ironic considering the source of this comment. Pot black much?



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    OUCH LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Abercrombie View Post
    There, there. Don't be so hard on yourself ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abercrombie View Post
    There, there. Don't be so hard on yourself ...

    LOL....I think my 15 minutes expired a couple of years ago...I am letting others enjoy that fleeting infamy

    What amazes me is: I phone companies and people I ask them for the answers.

    On this forum people are quick to challenge me HOWEVER they never spend a buck out of their own pocket and call.

    Or..maybe they don't have any contacts and that is why they Protest mine. Most families don't have C.C. members in their immediate families but then most individuals don't have a Dad who was an Ambassador. He is an Ambassador in Heaven now for over 15 years...

    As for my rudeness..I don't apologize for it. Take it, Leave it..Ignore it...If the shoe fits wear it...or wait..maybe it isn't pertaining to that person

    Of course HSUS, PETA and RARA's don't want your dogs and cats now (except PETA) as that would attack their donation base of city folk. So much easier to go after those greedy farmers who charge too much for beef, eggs, pork, cereal etc. City folk hardly know where their food comes from anyway.

    When a CEO is VEGAN and has demanded that NO animal products including leather shoes be allowed in the office AND anyone "high up whether it is an acting agent or lawyer" is also a Vegan..then I think the writing is on the wall.

    The industry is always evolving and the manner in which livestock are now treated as compared to ten years ago..or twenty...has evolved as producers discover they earn more money with healthy animals. Of course there are on going improvements and changes but you are not going to see thejm presented by HSUS or other groups like it. They do NOT spend their money for welfare issues...only right issues...and as I mentioned..they will always make money off cute cuddly wild animals where there truly is no accountability as to their spending money for those animals or if they are even doing anything.



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    http://www.drf.com/news/canada-stops...rses-slaughter


    “We canceled upon hearing from some of our buyers that they would not be on the market because they would not be accepting horses into Canada,” said one Western auctioneer who did not want to be identified because he was concerned there could be public backlash against the auction house with which he is affiliated. “Nobody really knows right now if it’s coming from the Canadian government, the EU, or the packing plants.”

    “They don’t want our horses, because they can’t ship the meat overseas,” another auction operator said.

    Leroy Baker, who operates Sugarcreek Livestock Auction in Sugarcreek, Ohio, said Friday night that the tighter EU regulations on horse meat already had contributed to a sharp decline in low-end horse prices, even before word filtered out among slaughter buyers that U.S. horses would not be welcome across U.S. borders.

    Baker said he first heard about the slaughterhouses’ closure to U.S. horses at 6 a.m. Friday morning and said the news took him by surprise. He said he called some horse sellers he knew and told them not to bother bringing their horses to Sugarcreek.

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    For the pro-slaughter COTHers, here is your chance to sign a petition to further your agenda:

    http://the-cavalry-group.rallycongre...horse-welfare/

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    that's a long about way to finally shut down L. Baker.... has he ever paid his fines??? now he'll say he can't afford them... oh sob story...

    I am sad though that there is no restriction (apparently) on Canadian horses...

    Fairfax, I am not sure what the situation is re the race tracks right now, although they seem to all be closing (I even heard that Woodbine will be as well), but I believe everyone is waiting for a report to be published by the end of the month as to how much the government is willing to give the horse industry as a transitional funding... meanwhile, there is no casino building (stories about projects but nothing set) to replace the $$$ the government used to get from the tracks. IMHO, they shot themselves in the foot a bit too soon.



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    How are they planning on addressing the drug levels in all of this meat? Who is going to consume it?

    Now, if they are proposing a huge upsurge in rendering facilities, I might go along with that--as long as it was done humanely.



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    and now this...
    http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna...p/-/index.html

    Hoping there are no horses there today...


    apparently it is an equipment barn... wondering if the sale will happen on Monday though



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