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    Default AQHA lawsuit

    I guess he's gone from annoying the dressage community to AQHA now...

    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/equine...efendants.aspx



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    Good lord, my head hurts!
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    Oh somehow I just KNEW who it'd be before I even opened the link lol. Jeez.
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    Ok... so let me get this straight.

    He's suing because he isn't allowed to show at an AQHA show and he thinks they're big bad *meanies* to the horses?

    Is it even legal to sue for this? Good lord...
    The ninja monkeys are plotting my demise as we speak....



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    Quote Originally Posted by propspony View Post
    Ok... so let me get this straight.

    He's suing because he isn't allowed to show at an AQHA show and he thinks they're big bad *meanies* to the horses?

    Is it even legal to sue for this? Good lord...
    Nonono, not that he isn't "allowed" to show, it's that he isn't allowed to abuse horses (DUH) and (his contention) is that the AQHA REQUIRES people to abuse horses while schooling at home to get the desired show ring response.

    lol.

    chuckle.

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    It's beyond ridiculous, really. I thought he "trained" dressage, not AQHA???



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    Missed something. What was the dressage lawsuit?
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    Dafuq did I just read?!?!



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    He is suing the AQHA because they won't allow him to be on the AQHA comission for horse welfare because he's not a member of the AQHA? Good luck with that Mr. Buck.

    Last I looked, belonging to the organization is rather de riguer for serving on one of it's comissions or boards.

    What a whack-a-mole!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabicon View Post
    Missed something. What was the dressage lawsuit?
    He involved himself in the lawsuit against Cesar Parra when a horse was injured in Parra's care. There was a lengthly thread on the dressage forum about it.

    Mr. Buck likes to sue. Unfortunately for him he has zero credibility. None. Nada. Zilch..



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    Quote Originally Posted by skydy View Post
    He involved himself in the lawsuit against Cesar Parra when a horse was injured in Parra's care.
    Not just involved, but declared himself an "expert."



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    Begs the question, is the HSUS directly or thru some of it's satellite groups helping him with resources like money and legal advice from their herd of lawyers?

    Some of the wording is so similar to what they present to courts, I would not be surprised if the same writers are involved.



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    If you read the complaint, you'll find that it's an interesting lawsuit.

    Quote Originally Posted by propspony View Post
    Ok... so let me get this straight.

    He's suing because he isn't allowed to show at an AQHA show and he thinks they're big bad *meanies* to the horses?

    Is it even legal to sue for this? Good lord...
    No, that's not why he's suing. Yes, he thinks the AQHA and it's various winning trainers *are* "big meanies to horses. That wouldn't matter except that it violates the AQHA's mission statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grataan View Post
    Nonono, not that he isn't "allowed" to show, it's that he isn't allowed to abuse horses (DUH) and (his contention) is that the AQHA REQUIRES people to abuse horses while schooling at home to get the desired show ring response.

    lol.

    chuckle.

    bwahahaaaa.
    I'm sorry I can't help myself.

    No, that's not right, either.

    The guy claims, in the first paragraph, that he is de facto prohibited from doing business with clients via winning at AQHA shows because it takes abuse to win there.

    Not a lawyer, but as I read it, he's citing Texas law about "fair trade practices." The point is that you cannot knowingly prohibit trade. If you do, then you have been "deceptive."

    So his reasoning goes like this: Because the only way to win at AQHA shows (thereby building your trade) is by abusing horses, and the breed association itself allows this shizza to happen.... contrary to its rules about horse abuse, it is purposely not enforcing those and thereby depriving him of the chance to do business, and doing that by deception since the AQHA's judging standards (and examplar videos, I take it) don't match up with real world judging.


    It's an interesting lawsuit because the AQHA as well as the USEF (regarding D&M rules) don't create rules that can, in practice, be enforced. I don't quite know how someone establishes that they have the right to "do trade" in the horse show world. The hard part about his argument is proving that the AQHA (or the USEF for that matter) could have 1) done otherwise and 2) purposely wrote sham mission statements so as to deceive honest competitors who wouldn't abuse or drug horses in order to contribute to the industry, had these governing bodies announced that, "yeah, we don't really care to enforce anything." I suspect that these will be the key points with interpreting the "fair trade" law.
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    And the fact that they won't let him be on an AQHA committee because he is not a member?

    Honestly, not enough sense to join before he sues?

    ETA I posted this on the off course forum, for those who are familiar with old spirithorse/dragonheart8's past on this BB..



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    Oh, goody! He's gone off to bother some OTHER horse discipline.

    What a relief...


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    So where exactly is this person a trainer? Does he actually have a show barn or is it just virtual training in his head since tacking up might be abusive.

    Any Texans been to his place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp View Post

    So his reasoning goes like this: Because the only way to win at AQHA shows (thereby building your trade) is by abusing horses, and the breed association itself allows this shizza to happen.... contrary to its rules about horse abuse, it is purposely not enforcing those and thereby depriving him of the chance to do business, and doing that by deception since the AQHA's judging standards (and examplar videos, I take it) don't match up with real world judging.


    It's an interesting lawsuit because the AQHA as well as the USEF (regarding D&M rules) don't create rules that can, in practice, be enforced. .
    Buck has a fair point here.

    AQHA could rapidly improve things and enforce the rules *right now* if they would make an example of a couple of judges (where there is video tape ) and pull their cards for 6 months or so. The judges have been warned to follow the rulebook in numerous AQHA communications. But for some reason, AQHA prefers to try and 'educate', which has not done the job.

    mvp - "I don't quite know how someone establishes that they have the right to "do trade" in the horse show world."

    I do not remember the particulars, but I believe a 'restriction of trade' lawsuit was the catalyst for AQHA eliminating the excessive white rule for registration of foals .
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    Where is this guy's barn and is he successful in any area of the horse show world or breeding programs?



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    I agree his lawsuit is without merit. However, there are issues with the AQHA monitoring the training practices on the show grounds. I'm under the impression that there is no requirement for a steward to be present on the grounds during a show (correct me if I am wrong). There are people who will literally ride a horse into a state of exhaustion overnight to get the demeanor in the show ring that wins. A la Shirley Roth http://www.equinechronicle.com/break...th-police.html. The accusations against her stem from something that happened on the show grounds. It makes me wonder what happens at home. Ultimately it is up to the owners to boycott trainers who resort to abusive methods to get the win in the show pen.



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    Here is a video of the horse that was involved in the Shirley Roth incident:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEMxIR6Pusg



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