The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedDirectoriesMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 55
  1. #21
    Join Date
    Feb. 22, 2009
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    2,713

    Default

    Sounds like A LOT of prep for a pony that you say doesn't need prep. If he isn't sore I wouldn't be surprised that he is a bit sour. If that is the normal routine for everyone of the shows he goes to then he may have just reached his limit of schooling, schooling, going in a class with you, then schooling more and more with the kid, and then going in classes with her. I know my lesson and sales ponies wouldn't put up with all of that in a day.

    If pain is not the problem, then give the pony some down time from hard work and just have the kid take him for hacks. Ponies like riders do get burned out.



  2. #22
    Join Date
    Jan. 1, 2008
    Posts
    4,914

    Default

    I would think if it's a physical issue, you would have noticed it creeping up on you long before this.

    Perhaps the little bugger saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. When that worked, it became a repeat performance. Now that he's got the kid's number, it's something she'll have to fix or it's never going to go away.

    Do you have a good pony jock that you can put on him in the ring? Sometimes you have to set them up to be naughty and then have someone with the skills to read him the riot act.
    Fan of the Swedish Chef



  3. #23
    Join Date
    Jul. 26, 2001
    Location
    Toronto, Canada.
    Posts
    6,366

    Default

    Ponies are smart. He did it once,and it worked.

    Let kid do the riding instead of you. Trainer should help kid ride through these things. Put the fences down, trot the line...whatever it takes...but sounds like the kid is a good enough rider to not have trainer get on. May seem like a nasty pony on that day, but if you can teach the kid to ride through it, that pony is invaluable.



  4. #24
    Join Date
    Nov. 13, 2009
    Posts
    4,623

    Default

    I think the pony is in some kind of pain. I think the saddle that was acquired 2 months ago is a likely suspect. Sometimes, when horses are in pain, their reactions don't make sense and don't seem to be linked to the pain. They can become more reactive to things that would not normally bother them, for example. Like being alone in the show ring, or having a 9 year old kid not give them a perfect ride. The same horse, despite the pain, might not pull the same thing with a stronger rider because the horse knows it can't get away with it. That doesn't mean the horse isn't experiencing pain with that other rider - it just means that the horse is plugging along despite the pain.

    Most horses try to do as we ask, most of the time.



  5. #25
    Join Date
    Jan. 21, 2003
    Location
    MA
    Posts
    3,002

    Default

    You mentioned this was a "move up" division? Could the pony have been overfaced? I had a lovely pony who would babysit at the short stirrup level but need a very firm ride to the jumps at anything over 2 ft.

    If not overfaced, perhaps too exhuberant at the new height? Maybe he is just a great short stirrup pony...and let him be that.

    Just a thought
    Save a life...be an organ donor! Visit www.Transplantbuddies.org



  6. #26
    Join Date
    Oct. 4, 2008
    Posts
    745

    Default

    All of your replies have been helpful in my evauluating the circumstances, and providing different angles to assess the situation and my plan moving forward. I do have some ideas, one being to reevaluate saddle with fresh eyes.

    Just to clarify, those questions of prep/ routine. The only initial change in program was my riding in the under saddle in the am, due to sudden drop in temp at an outdoor show in the wind. Normally, pony waits for kiddo to hack.

    All the additional, rides, and shools etc, came about becuase of the moment, and subsequent repeats. I am thinking that we started out with a yee-haw moment gone bad, that became a game.



  7. #27
    Join Date
    Jun. 1, 2005
    Location
    Floral City , Fl.
    Posts
    4,249

    Default

    I agree with the excessive schooling. I have never heard of a trainer getting on and doing this much before the kid gets on. And also riding the pony in a class?? Whats that about? IMHO it sounds like the pony has HAD IT with all this fussing.
    In ponyland this does not sound right.
    Sandy
    www.sugarbrook.com
    hunter/jumper ponies



  8. #28
    Join Date
    Jan. 28, 2002
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    4,639

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsbradbury View Post
    saddle is new
    Quote Originally Posted by mrsbradbury View Post
    I am pretty sure the saddle fits him.
    This speaks volumes to me. Horses/ponies just don't do this out of the blue for no reason if it's not part of their regular MO. What you describe is often related to pain. Just because a brand new saddle fit when you first got it doesn't mean it fits now. Also, not all saddle fitters are created equal. We have one local saddle fitter who's qualifications are simply owning a tack shop. IMO, that doesn't make one qualified to fit a saddle properly.

    As a side note: As a judge, I would not consider it kosher for you to get on the pony in the middle of a pony hunter class and school unless it was a very low level schooling show. It needed to be done in the warm-up ring afterwards or unjudged in a class you are eligible to go in....or sent the pony back into the next class with an older junior rider to school him. It's just not proper etiquette to run in the ring and get on and school while a class is in progress.

    I think he's trying to tell you something - that he's in pain. The fact that he has a new saddle and this is a new incident would lead me to believe it's an ill fitting saddle...but it could also be a pain issue somewhere else.
    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
    Home of Welsh, ISR/Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallions Daventry's Power Play & Goldhills Brandysnap LOM
    Also home to www.EquineAppraisers.com



  9. #29
    Join Date
    Jun. 30, 2009
    Posts
    6,998

    Default

    Another vote for pain!

    An what's with all the Hateful Pony talk - I feel for ANY Pony stuck in your programs



  10. #30
    Join Date
    Jul. 11, 2011
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    72

    Default

    I may be alone here, but it doesn't sound like pain to me, otherwise why would it only manifest in the show ring? Also, if the pony were in pain, there should be other indicators, and normally you would get some head shaking, tail swishing or SOMETHING other than just hitting the brakes and putting his head between his legs out of the blue. I also think it's telling that he takes off directly for the gate the minute she's off. Sounds more like he's being a stinker than like he's in pain. He's probably show sour, and it does sound like perhaps he's being overschooled. The smarter horses/ponies do not like to be schooled excessively when they're already doing their jobs well and can often resent it.



  11. #31
    Join Date
    Jul. 11, 2011
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    72

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by alto View Post
    Another vote for pain!

    An what's with all the Hateful Pony talk - I feel for ANY Pony stuck in your programs
    Pain doesn't usually just magically manifest in the show ring and no where else. I think this is a bit uncalled for - you don't even know this person, and she's frustrated. We all say things when we're frustrated. She's here asking for constructive input, she didn't say she's about to ship the pony off to Canada for goodness sake. She doesn't need blind criticism of her 'program', which you likely are not even familiar with.



  12. #32
    Join Date
    Jun. 30, 2009
    Posts
    6,998

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OGSponymom View Post
    Pain doesn't usually just magically manifest in the show ring and no where else. I think this is a bit uncalled for - you don't even know this person, and she's frustrated. We all say things when we're frustrated. She's here asking for constructive input, she didn't say she's about to ship the pony off to Canada for goodness sake. She doesn't need blind criticism of her 'program', which you likely are not even familiar with.
    Only one singling out the OP is you

    Try reading with retention

    nasty pony
    the little bugger
    you have to set them up to be naughty and then have someone with the skills to read him the riot act
    He's a pony - and that always means taking every advantage they can
    nasty pony tricks
    stinking pony
    Mr.#@$$
    The $%#@@$%&
    Turn him loose on the freeway
    Mr. Evil Pony
    needs his little behind beaten!
    little buggers
    little $h!ts
    dirty tricks
    always means taking every advantage

    As I stated - alot of disparanging remarks about Ponies in this thread ...
    The pony in the OP has been wonderful for 2 years - then has a very uncharacteristic day: but it can't be pain or just because he's a horse it's because he's an Evil pony that needs to have the Evil beaten out of him ...

    Ponies everywhere thank all the wonderful posters who suggested alternate motivations for this pony's actions


    she didn't say she's about to ship the pony off to Canada
    What are you implying about Canada & ponies!!!
    ???
    Daventry is a fine pony breeder



  13. #33
    Join Date
    Jan. 13, 2008
    Posts
    5,648

    Default

    Posted by mrsbradbury:

    Pony is home. He broke his little girl's heart. I'm super worried about reliving another jekyl & hyde day. I felt I did every right move, I rode, kid rode, school, rest, try again, I rode, kid rode etc. etc. The only thing I didn't do was take him back to the stall and stick him.
    Stick him with a needle?



  14. #34
    Join Date
    Jul. 11, 2011
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    72

    Default

    When you said 'your programs' I assumed you were referring to OP, as you didn't specify otherwise. I'm just sick of people jumping down soeone's throat for asking a question, so my apologies if I misinterpreted.
    And I have nothing against Canadian pony breeders, it was a reference to people who ship unwanted horses to Canada for an unfortunate fate. And for the record, ponies ARE stinkers and they DO have dirty tricks, but it's because they're smart, and it's actually a good thing. Any kid will learn more from a little stinker who knows every dirty trick in the book than they ever will from a push button packer.



  15. #35
    Join Date
    Jan. 27, 2006
    Location
    Southern Wisconsin
    Posts
    1,294

    Default

    It's extremely rare for a perfectly good pony to suddenly turn dirty bucker for no good reason...by rare I mean almost impossible :-) I've seen more good, knowledgeable trainers then I can count confirming good saddle fit only to have a professional fitter out to show them there is a lot more than just dies it clear the withers and sit level? Get a good fitter out right away. My horse went from awesome jumping one day to dirty bucking the next. I had just had my saddle fit 3 weeks earlier but still called my fitter back. My horse had changed drastically in 3 weeks and the saddle was pinching his shoulders upon landing from a jump. Saddle fixed...awesome horse back:-). I could give you so many saddle fitting causing behavior problems stories that cleared up instantly after a GOOD pro fitter evaluation it would make your head spin! And every time the owner/trainer swore up and down the saddle fit great. If saddle is cleared by a good pro then I'd just have a basic vet exam and teeth check. I'm almost positive your solution will be found. If its none of those then its a rider error unfortunately. Ponies don't just go crazy for no good reason. Do everyone a favor and do a full pro workup before jumping to conclusions. The faster you move the faster you can get him fixed and get the little peanut back safely in the saddle! Good luck and please post your results as you work through the possible causes!
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."



  16. #36
    Join Date
    Oct. 2, 1999
    Location
    Mendocino County, CA: Turkey Vulture HQ
    Posts
    14,835

    Default

    If the kid has undergone a growth spurt and is a little bit bigger, the saddle maybe isn't quite right, the kid maybe a tad out of balance and this could all add up to your problem.

    The saddle may fit standing but it can be uncomfortable in motion, too. I've seen that sometimes, where something that looks perfect nevertheless does not make the horsey happy. And ponies IME have a way of changing their weight and shape very quickly.
    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket



  17. #37
    Join Date
    Jun. 30, 2009
    Posts
    6,998

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OGSponymom View Post
    And for the record, ponies ARE stinkers
    I've seen what they put up with - stinker is the last word I'd apply to these wonderful little guys



  18. #38
    Join Date
    Sep. 12, 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,872

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Keg-A-Bacchus View Post
    It's extremely rare for a perfectly good pony to suddenly turn dirty bucker for no good reason...by rare I mean almost impossible :-) I've seen more good, knowledgeable trainers then I can count confirming good saddle fit only to have a professional fitter out to show them there is a lot more than just dies it clear the withers and sit level? Get a good fitter out right away. My horse went from awesome jumping one day to dirty bucking the next. I had just had my saddle fit 3 weeks earlier but still called my fitter back. My horse had changed drastically in 3 weeks and the saddle was pinching his shoulders upon landing from a jump. Saddle fixed...awesome horse back:-). I could give you so many saddle fitting causing behavior problems stories that cleared up instantly after a GOOD pro fitter evaluation it would make your head spin! And every time the owner/trainer swore up and down the saddle fit great. If saddle is cleared by a good pro then I'd just have a basic vet exam and teeth check. I'm almost positive your solution will be found. If its none of those then its a rider error unfortunately. Ponies don't just go crazy for no good reason. Do everyone a favor and do a full pro workup before jumping to conclusions. The faster you move the faster you can get him fixed and get the little peanut back safely in the saddle! Good luck and please post your results as you work through the possible causes!
    ditto this... our pony's saddle fit great 3 months ago, two weeks ago she started landing and bucking off jumps and it is also saddle fit. her body has changed so much that it no longer fits her, in that short a time... so there you go.



  19. #39
    Join Date
    Apr. 2, 2004
    Location
    Louisville, KY
    Posts
    3,192

    Default

    This is another vote for a full work up with the vet. The most common reason any equine would start showing uncharacteristic behavior is pain.

    It could have manifested in that ring. Maybe he has some arthritis which was aggravated by the cooler temps that day and maybe it's not something that makes him lame, but it's something that every 3rd or 4th fence he lands from, really frickin hurts! So if he jumps into the line, maybe he left longer and had more weight on his front end on the other side, or maybe it's his hocks and the spot kid got him too hurt on take off...well he's not dumb, he's not going over that next jump. Because it hurts.

    And by the time kid got to the flat class, pony said "Look, I've been telling you people ALL DAY that I can't do this right now!"

    What was his body language like when he pitched the kid? Was he swishing his tail? Ears back? That would all indicate something was not right. The naughty ponies out there will drop a kid with their ears up and trot away like nothing happened. Was he going the same direction for all of the falls? That would also point to something hurting on a particular side of his body. Could be a sharp tooth even, that going that direction, the bit pressure to turn sends shockwaves through his skull.

    Before you label him a bad pony and before you confirm for the kid that her pony is bad... have a vet check him out. check his teeth, his joints, his soft tissues.
    Strong promoter of READING the entire post before responding.



  20. #40
    Join Date
    Aug. 21, 2012
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    157

    Default

    All ponies have bad days; even the ones who show routinely. Some of the one's that get ridden everyday, show all year, etc get burnt out. Some of them need some time off. We had a welsh mare in the barn who was younger but reliable, would never stop, never had an attitude problem. It al started at one show where she would intentionally throw the kid in the dirt (in a very nasty way) and she would do it in every o/f class at every show. She would drag the kid down any line with a rock solid mouth and all-out launch bucks in the corners that would put any rodeo horse to shame. She was NASTY. She was a very fancy pony who was nice enough to compete at the big time so they had her in a routine of being ridden almost everyday, showing 3-4 times per month, etc. In the end; the pony got burnt out.

    In all seriousness: that's what it was. She was fried. The pony went on a low, low grain diet with hay twice a day and she got turned out for 2 months. That's what it took to restore her sanity again. She lived in a show barn prior to that but had all-day turnout and was exercised nitely. It's not like she was couped up in a big-time show barn 24/7; the workload just sent her over the deep end. After her vacation she came back refreshed and better than ever. From there on out; she had days off during the week to get turned out and relax. She didnt show more than 3 times a month either. The owners had to put their foot down in order to keep the pony's best interest in mind. They also did fun things with her to keep her happy: trail rides, hunter paces, beach rides, etc. These activites wern't schooling rides: they were simply for pleasure and it WORKED. Just a thought-



Similar Threads

  1. Having Problems Seeing Distances. Advice?
    By Horses and High Heels in forum Hunter/Jumper
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: Oct. 7, 2014, 12:22 PM
  2. Replies: 2
    Last Post: Dec. 7, 2011, 03:44 PM
  3. Replies: 19
    Last Post: Aug. 6, 2010, 01:24 PM
  4. Advice - Barn Problems
    By myALTERnative in forum Off Course
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: Aug. 12, 2009, 12:36 PM
  5. Barn Job Problems- advice?
    By Hear_my_echo in forum Off Course
    Replies: 77
    Last Post: Dec. 12, 2008, 12:02 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
randomness