[Fourbeats]

I'm looking at jumping stallions for next year and I'm interested in who are the top Hanoverian stallions known for their jump. Prefer a proven stallion and he must be available fresh so I know that really limits the choices.

[stoicfish]

http://www.hanoverian.org/jbp-approved-stallions/

http://service.vit.de/pferd_praesent...erteilungsplan

[Bravestrom]

look for anything with furioso in their pedigree

[Kinsella]

Pretty much anything at Rainbow Equus Meadows...

[DownYonder]

When you say "known for their jump" - do you mean technique? Power? Scope? Boldness? Carefullness? Catiness?

Are you looking for a JUMPER type jump? Or a HUNTER type jump?

For what type of mare?

And does the stallion have to be Hanoverian registered, or will Hanoverian-approved work?

[Fourbeats]

Good questions, Down Yonder.

I want jumper type jump, no hunter movement. I want power, scope, which she has and I don't want to lose. It's for my G line Hano mare. She's more old style so refinement wouldn't hurt but I have to keep in mind the 50% issue and she does carry blood on top.

I'm leaning strongly towards Pablito but I wanted to see if there is a hidden stallion out there I haven't heard of.

[ahf]

If your mare carried AHS or Hanoverian Verband foal brand/papers, there is absolutely NO 50% issue. Zero.

The ONLY time this is an issue is if you have an Oldenburg, Dutch, Holsteiner, etc. mare that has been approved for Hanoverian breeding.

If you have a Hanoverian mare you can breed her to any approved stallion and get the foal registered.

[omare]

As di Villagana? (He is smaller.)...ooops I think he is only frozen

[Fourbeats]

If your mare carried AHS or Hanoverian Verband foal brand/papers, there is absolutely NO 50% issue. Zero.

The ONLY time this is an issue is if you have an Oldenburg, Dutch, Holsteiner, etc. mare that has been approved for Hanoverian breeding.

If you have a Hanoverian mare you can breed her to any approved stallion and get the foal registered.

Thank you! That clears up that issue for me and certainly opens up the field of stallions.

[ahf]

You are more than welcome!!! If there was a way I could mind-meld every Hanoverian breeder in the US to get this point clarified... I would!

[DownYonder]

Agree with AHF - if your mare is actually registered Hanoverian, the 50% rule doesn't apply.

I don't see Pablito on the current AHS JBP stallion list. And As Di Villagana isn't currently activated. But I would seriously be looking at Landkoenig considering he had a son qualify for London.

[dianehalpin]

I think that As di Villagana is also available fresh now, and his stud fee is $2500 rather than the $5K it was a few years ago. I have a two year old As di colt and I know most of the other get in the U.S. all succeeding in their show jumping careers.

Landkoenig almost always guarantees a great jump and good disposition. I've bred mares to him twice now.

For Play is available fresh and has young jumpers just beginning their careers here. I've bred to him twice.

Pablo is also a good choice, all of these depending upon what your mare brings to the union.

Diane Halpin/Laurel Leaf Hanoverians: Facebook

[Bent Hickory]

It's for my G line Hano mare. She's more old style so refinement wouldn't hurt but I have to keep in mind the 50% issue and she does carry blood on top.

Wait... I'm confused... "a G line Hano mare .... " that carries "blood on top"? In typical breeding parlance, these statements seem inconsistent.

What is the mare's sire and what is the mare's damsire?

[Spike]

Wait... I'm confused... "a G line Hano mare .... " that carries "blood on top"? In typical breeding parlance, these statements seem inconsistent.

Well, not to me. I own a mare that is out of a Graphit/Gotthard Hano mare. If I breed said mare to... let's say, Likoto xx, and later register that baby with the VhW. I would get a G line Hano baby with blood on top... Would'nt I?

[Bent Hickory]

Well, not to me. I own a mare that is out of a Graphit/Gotthard Hano mare. If I breed said mare to... let's say, Likoto xx, and later register that baby with the VhW. I would get a G line Hano baby with blood on top... Would'nt I?

Most breeders I know wouldn't call that a G-line baby.

[Fourbeats]

Yes Spike, that is my understanding too.

My mare does have XX as a grandsire so if one is only looking at sires all the way back and only on top then yes, it's a XX bloodline. However, the dam sire is Hano G and S and the dam line is double G so in my book, that means the mare is heavily G bred with blood on top.

Whether that is correct in breeder parlance or not doesn't matter so much to me. I'm simply looking at stallion suggestions now. Then comes the fun part of matching just the right stallion to my mare based on what each brings to the table.

[Spike]

Most breeders I know wouldn't call that a G-line baby.

Why? Because it comes from the dam's side? I never got that impression.

[Bent Hickory]

Why? Because it comes from the dam's side? I never got that impression.

In your example and following Hanoverian conventions, would the foal get a "G" name? No....

[Spike]

Then there's a lot of horses that lost their "lines" when some F became G... Or when some W switched to F...

But I respect your opinion, yet I still disagree.

[ahf]

In the grand scheme of things, this kind of semantics is pretty for down the "needs" pyramid, but I will throw my 2 cents in.

Because of the Hanoverian naming convention, with the horse taking the first letter of the sire's name, "G line" most definitely implies the horses' sire line. If I were commenting on my TB-Hanoverian mare, I would state that she is by Wilawander out of a G line mare. I mean, if you don't follow this convention...where would you stop? The 2nd dam may be Rubinstein. So...you wouldn't say the mare is an "R line", would you?

The sire line, is the sire line. And this is exactly why the HV has started stamm numbers just like the Holsteiners.