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View Poll Results: Free jumping weanling: yes or no?

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  • I'd prefer to see a weanling lightly free jumped over a cavaletti-type obstacle before buying

    10 13.33%
  • I won't touch a weanling that has been free jumped with a ten foot pole

    17 22.67%
  • I don't mind it either way

    10 13.33%
  • I am happy with seeing the mare and the sire jumping/free jumping

    38 50.67%
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  1. #1
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    Default Poll: Weanling buyers

    I know the answer if I post in Sport Horse Breeding, but you, hunter/jumpers are the target market.

    What do you think when you see an ad featuring a weanling jumping over a cavaletti in a chute or something like that? Yes or No?

    I hear contradicting informations; those who say then won't touch a foal that has jumped with a ten foot pole and those who say they want to see how it fares over obstacles before touching it!

    It feels like we are stuck between a rock and a hard place as breeders.

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    A WEANLING????? Yikes. It would scare me it would step on a pole and blemish itself-or get really hurt. Or, worst of all, scare itself with no way to correct the bad experience. They are growing and can have trouble with all the legs going the same direction.

    Can't we friggin let them be babies when they are...babies?

    Besides that, it won't help too much with the average Hunter buyer. Most don't keep at home and cannot carry one 3 years to get a decent idea of talent and 4 years to really get it going enough to know if the buyer will be able to actually get it around a course.

    Proven parental talent and show record/progeny record in the show ring would be my choice.
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    I wouldn't mind either way but I don't feel like it hurts the foal to go over cavalleti once or twice heck they probably do more than that physically running/playing turned out



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    I'd be more interested in the performance career of the sire/dam than any of the options above. Free jumping adult horses doesn't tell me a whole lot, and free jumping a weanling is just a little scary.

    I want to see that the foal's parents have some ability under a rider. I understand that most broodmares don't have performance careers, but I'd like to see that at least her sire and damsire did.
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    No. I have purchased weanlings but that wouldn't help me want to buy one. The baby's conformation, movement and its parents, yes.



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    Nope, free jumping a horse that young won't tell a lot, IMO. I prefer seeing free jumping of 3 year olds when you can actually set up a sizable jump to test their technique and scope.

    All I want from a weanling or yearling are conformation pics, video of movement at liberty, and info about dam and sire (pics, vids, competition record, etc).



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    EM. Sure don't see foals "jumping" at say, for instance, the Holstein auction recently held. Those buyers rely on bloodlines and what they can see before them! And one of the babies went for $42,000 or that could be Euros! Sweet!
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    I have purchased a weanling (my now 5 year old mare).

    I didn’t see her jump, but I did see family members jump (on video).

    I wouldn’t require free jumping for a weanling, and I certainly wouldn’t want a weanling I was buying to be jumped often.

    That said, I do not think a few hops over a jump is any worse than the above airs antics a weanling will do when playing in the pasture.



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    I would think the breeder was a fool ...
    & you are anything but
    This has alot of potential for injury & no redeeming features - it will NOT tell you anything predictive about that baby.

    There is a difference between foals/weanlings being athletic at play & being "driven" through a jump chute - regardless of how you phrase this - the physiological state of the foal will differ.

    As stated by previous posters, conformation photos, movement video, and info about dam and sire are far more telling.



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    Free jumping is so deceiving. I buy weanlings and yearlings without ever seeing them free jump. I let them mature and wait to see them jump with someone on their back. I have seen horse jump in super form on their own and not so great under tack.
    I can tell if they have the right instincts and have been pretty successful gauging talent.

    But weanlings and yearlings free jumping...
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    Performance Pedigree has to stand for something.

    I think free jumping is so unnecessary. If you know pedigrees, that's all you really need to know.
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    We don't free jump our babies though jump chutes till they are at least 2 years old. Although we have had to move babies from a pasture that had some small cross country logs because we saw them doing this on their own...

    Now obviously it doesn't indicate jumping talent later in life with a rider but she sure is one of the bravest foals we have ever had. We had just moved her and her mom in this pasture (3 acres) and in less than 5 minutes she had found the jumps! Needless to say she went to a new pasture as she was giving me a heart attack!!
    Although I am not in the market for a weanling, I would not want one that had been free jumped yet. I want to look at the conformation, movement, parents and hopefully get to meet the weanling to get a feel for their personality.
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    this is interesting in that yesterday at the ISR/OLD NA inspection, one of the Amazing fillies cut the corner while on the triangle and jumped a pile of mums in spectacular form. Christian was very complimentary of her style and stated that the way a weanling jumps over things is like their fingerprint...their jump style stays the same for their life. He was adamant that weanlings not be trained to jump, but if they happen to do it on their own, it can be very informative
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    Thank you for the replies so far.

    I don't think a weanling should be free jumped either; yet, I have the jumps set up in one of their pastures (the joys of small farms!) and of course, I could've caught a shot like WASF; but then, what to do with it? Hide it or use it?

    I find the opinions are very much in opposition. But according to the poll, seeing the parents go is good enough.
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    For the modern hunter market, I wish breeders would emphasize two things that they usually don't:

    1. The soundness of both parents. Give me a sire and dam who were show ring sound into their late teens and I'll be very, very interested.

    2. The mare's mind. Ideally, she'd have a deep performance record. But at a minimum, she should be tractable and kind. I do believe that "nurture" plays a part in shaping the baby's mind.

    I say this because the hunter ring makes such unrealistic demands of horses now. The soundness thing I think we always should have been selecting for.

    But the mind piece is crucial now. Very, very few horses can deliver the desired "Western Pleasure + Back-Cracking Jumps" performance. So we take some perfectly nice horses and drug them down further. If you don't want to get into this arms race or stay there and hope to win it, you must start with a spectacular-minded horse. Oh, and if the horse isn't very, very pretty or athletic, the good mind will make him appealing to a wide market for the duration of his career. All in all, a good minded horse as an easier life all the way through than a bad-minded one.
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    I second the poster that said it would reflect poorly on the seller (in so many words).

    You don't have the option I would have chosen, so I chose "I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole". But only because there's not an educated breeder on earth that would send a weanling through a chute then include the footage of that in the sales material for such a young horse.

    If you had a combination of options 2 and 4, I'd have chosen that. Seeing the sire and dam jump is adequate.
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    I wouldn't be put off by a weanling that had been lightly free jumped, as I see how hard the weanlings at our barn play. But I also wouldn't use it as an indication of future performance.



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    When looking at weanlings I would have zero interest in seeing free jumping of any kind. It really doesn't provide helpful information, and it might put me off a little in that I would think that the breeder was a little wacko and I would wonder just a little what other crazy stuff they had been up to with the baby. If that was the only strange thing they had done and they hadn't over done it, I wouldn't worry about soundness issues, those youngsters do way more to themselves out in the field. I want to know about pedigree, health, soundness of parents, career and soundness of the dam, temperament, handling...



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    I don't need to see a baby free jump. In fact I would probably pass one by that had video or pictures of it free jumping. I don't necessarily think that it's going to give you a good indication of what it does as a mature horse anyway.

    I think buyers that insist on free jumping of a foal are probably not the right buyers for foals.



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    A picture of a baby jumping something random in their paddock like the above photo would not turn me off and may even catch my attention as in that case it is obvious the horse wasn't chased/chuted over the jump. Ran through a chute would turn me off.



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