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  1. #1
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    Default Neighbor's Aggressive Dog :( Vent

    It's not even her dog. It's her bosses dog that she baby sits frequently. Two actually, 2 very large, very muscular Boxers. She's new to the neighborhood and these dogs have lunged, barked, and run after people (male and female) and dogs.

    The male ran out of her yard into mine and tried to attack my 25lb 9 month old mini Aussie this morning. Growling, barking, slobber flying everywhere...my puppy lying flat on the ground trying to be as small and innocent as possible yelping and squealing in fear. The girl is talking on her CELLPHONE which she never put down throughout the whole event. I was screaming and yelling (and OK, there were a lot of expletives) at her and her dog and running as fast as I could to the rescue on my broken foot. She kept insisting that the dog was "friendly."

    I really thought my puppy was going to be killed, and I've never been scared of a dog. This is the 6th offense of attempted attack that I know of, here's to hoping the leasing office in our gated community can lay the law down on this girl (who doesn't have a dog permit anyway). Sorry just had to vent because I'm in class all day and can't go to the office to speak to the manager until late this afternoon.



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    Default Well, she's wrong, but.....

    If your dog was in 'your yard" that was not completely fenced, and your puppy was out of your control (you had to "run over") then....

    Your dog should have been on a short leash attached to your hand. If it had been, you could have scooped it up and kept it out of harms way. You might have gotten bitten, but by golly, this is America, that's why we have lawyers.


    Just because her dog is the one that ran over, does not relieve you of responsibility. My puppy got attacked, in a boarding kennel waiting room by a large, loose dog. He was on a leash, I got severely bitten removing my puppy from the other dogs jaws, but guess who had to pay both canine and human medical bills?

    Yep, they did because I was absolutely correct in my dog control, had they both been loose, even though the dog outweighed my puppy by 80lbs or so, it would have been just as much my fault.


    People, if you are going to come on here and complain about loose, aggressive dogs, make sure yours isn't either one of those things.



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    I would call animal control, and the police about the attack. And if you know the other victims give them info to call also. And if the property manager doesn't do anything today, then I would have their heads. Because this dog is so aggressive, then I would only let your pup out on a long leash, and carry wasp spray. Once your dog is out of the firing line, then let the other dog have it.
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    I don't have a problem with loose dogs. If they behave. Every dog I've met in our neighborhood is very polite with vigilant owners monitoring first encounters and watching their dogs diligently.

    My dog was less than 20 ft away, it wasn't much of a run except for the fact that I have a broken foot.

    I have a problem with the fact that these dogs have displayed repeated aggression towards humans and dogs, the handler makes no attempt to correct the dog, the dogs are not registered with the leasing office as is required in the contract.



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    Default Your dog should have been on a leash

    Less than 20 feet away is much too far 'if" the dog meant business. Especially since you are injured. I nearly lost my puppy and I was standing next to him with him on a lease when the attack happened. If I had needed to hobble 20 feet he would have been killed. I was close enough to instantly grab the other dog's collar, choke him off and stuff my fist down his throat to get him to release my little guy.

    "Less than 20 feet away" means you did not have your dog on a leash. That makes you part of the problem, because a lone small dog is a target, an adult standing next to it, in control, is not for most dogs.


    On my farm, my dogs can be off leash under supervision. In public ( I used to live in a subdivision) they were always on a leash. They had a down stay to die for and an instant recall under all, and I mean all circumstances. Yet, they were still on a leash because that is what the rules are.

    If your dog is on a leash, you have an argument. If it isn't, then, sorry, you don't.



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    If this is the 6th run in with these dogs why would you allow your dog off leash?



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    I have never once dealt with a person with a nasty dog that accepts the responsibility for their dog's behavior. Very strange, indeed. Don't quite get the "blame the victim" thinking.



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    Default Real simple: leash up and report

    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
    People, if you are going to come on here and complain about loose, aggressive dogs, make sure yours isn't either one of those things.
    I just met you and this is crazy but I think I love you .

    Quote Originally Posted by JanM View Post
    I would call animal control, and the police about the attack...Because this dog is so aggressive, then I would only let your pup out on a long leash.
    Sound, reasonable advice. Report to AC.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkipChange View Post
    I don't have a problem with loose dogs.

    I have a problem with the fact that these dogs have displayed repeated aggression towards humans and dogs.
    You are part of the problem. You know their history of aggression and you have your pup off leash, away from you, in their presence?

    Report to leasing management and to AC. The 6th incident? Report...though it is comical that part of your complaint is off leash when yours was too . Now and forevermore leash your dog. You don't have a dead dog or vet bills. Your luck can't hold out forever.

    Sounds like the community tolerates loose dogs. I assure you management will cease turning a blind idea as the incidents increase. Then dogs may be banned all together. It is hard enough finding rental property that accepts pets without owners like you ruining it.

    I am sorry your pup was attacked. I wish you success in overcoming the trauma. For your pup's safety suck it up: leash up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
    "Less than 20 feet away" means you did not have your dog on a leash.
    Really?

    Tell that to my longe line.



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    What kinds of ordinances is your neighborhood subject to? I am outside city limits but am fortunate enough to live in a county with an ordinance that requires animals of all kinds, whether livestock or pets, to be confined to their owner's property. That means my dog can be loose in my yard, and if another dog comes onto my property and attacks my dog, I can (and will) pursue reimbursement from loose dog's owner for any vet/medical bills I incur as a result of the owner's failure to properly confine his/her dog.

    You need to look up what city/county ordinances your neighborhood is subject to in addition to whatever the HOA/POA rules are. Once you know what the law is, you can make sure your neighbor is aware that if you have any issues with those dogs again, you will be taking any/all steps legally available to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happymom View Post
    Don't quite get the "blame the victim" thinking.
    I feel for OP's pup who cannot control any part of his fate.

    The victim is being blamed because she wants to report the woman for something she is guilty of. COTH is astute enough to identify that. OP can't have it both ways.

    OP is not stating her pup is in emergency surgery or dead so the definition of MDIF is up for interpretation. If OP's pup was on a leash, the report would be simple. If there were injuries, the report would be simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by GraceLikeRain View Post
    If this is the 6th run in with these dogs why would you allow your dog off leash?
    Exactly

    It sounds like OP will continue to let her pup off leash when it is illegal and dangerous. Please prove this internet stranger wrong.



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    Default meupatdoes

    Yeah, but since the OP hobble the 20 ft on one foot, if the puppy had been on a longe line, she could have just reeled him in like a trout.



    And even if yours was on a longe line, the second you saw and aggressive dog, you'd have gotten it in closer.



    A KSP K-9 officer occassionally comes to our fenced, 40 acre farm. Until he gets back to the completely fenced part, he has his very very highly trained dog.........wait for it.....

    on a leash.

    And it would absolutely be the winner in any dogfight and there probably wouldn't be any evidence or a report.

    On. A. Leash.

    It's just like holding a child's hand when you are crossing the street, it isn't mean, no matter how much they squall, it's for their protection.

    OP probably takes very good care of her dog, which won't help if it gets killed by something bigger than it is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndyrgal View Post
    Yeah, but since the OP hobble the 20 ft on one foot, if the puppy had been on a longe line, she could have just reeled him in like a trout.



    And even if yours was on a longe line, the second you saw and aggressive dog, you'd have gotten it in closer.



    A KSP K-9 officer occassionally comes to our fenced, 40 acre farm. Until he gets back to the completely fenced part, he has his very very highly trained dog.........wait for it.....

    on a leash.

    And it would absolutely be the winner in any dogfight and there probably wouldn't be any evidence or a report.

    On. A. Leash.

    It's just like holding a child's hand when you are crossing the street, it isn't mean, no matter how much they squall, it's for their protection.

    OP probably takes very good care of her dog, which won't help if it gets killed by something bigger than it is.
    OK, you've convinced me the OP is totally irresponsible, a bad dog owner, deserves her fate and I should hate her now.

    Consider your campaign a success.

    Of course, since I let my dogs off leash in the woods and at the barn (one completely free and 2 with an e-collar) you'll probably shortly be on a campaign to make me hate myself too. Oh well.



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    It's that good old "You got raped because you wore a short skirt" thinking.



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    Default me up d

    See, that's why you have to have rules, it's because people lack common sense.


    You have enough sense to off lease your dog in an appropriate place. The OP, apparently, does not recognize the difference between a rural area and an urban one.

    You also haven't be on here whinging about someone else's dog. If your off leash dog runs away, or gets in a fight, you will likely not be blaming it on someone else's dog/coyote. You'll be sad, you might ask for help finding it or paying the vet bills, but my problem with the OPs little drama is that she doesn't want any of it to be the fault of her management of her adorable little aussie pup (is there anything cuter?), but of someone with the "care" of two, ill mannered, aggressive curs that is not following The Rules.


    You won't hate yourself. Until something bad happens. You may be far, far luckier than I am, but next time we off-leash ask yourself this question:

    "Are you feeling lucky today" (in Clint Eastwoods voice)



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    Default Rape is far too serious to joke about, really.

    Bad taste, that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by happymom View Post
    It's that good old "You got raped because you wore a short skirt" thinking.
    Apparently there is a huge difference in personal culpability between:

    "my dog was attacked in my yard 15 feet from me"
    and
    "my dog was attacked in my yard 15 inches from me"

    Apparently Scenario #2 makes it soooo much easier to handle the aggressive large dog that is invading your property. Responsible people who Always Have Their Dog On A Leash totally just stick their hands right into the fray and pull poopsie out with nary a scratch! Or they just reel their dog in like a fish on a line and the large aggressive dog politely drops it, so the reeling in may occur unimpeded.

    They have special protection from their Responsibility Cloak.



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    I'd be really irate if a strange dog kept running into MY yard even if it was a friendly dog.
    If the OP is standing in her OWN yard with her OWN dog, why would she have her dog on a leash? that's ridiculous. The fault is entirely that of the person with the two dogs that are running around out of control.

    If these dogs ran into someone else's yard and attacked the chickens or sheep you'd all be shrieking "Shoot the dog!" you wouldn't be complaining about how the OP doesn't have her chickens in coops or something equally ridiculous.



    Also telling someone to physically attack a large dog that is attacking her dog is very irresponsible- many people get badly mauled when they try to break up a dog fight. If you're going to intervene you need to do it safely- grab the hose, or get a big stick. You don't just go in there bare-handed and grab at the dogs or you'll end up in the ER or worse.
    Also the advice about "Scooping up" the dog to save it: little dog people, PLEASE do not think that picking up your little dog when a large dog comes near you somehow makes you "Safe". Most big dogs can identify small dogs on the ground as dogs and don't try to eat them on sight; but if someone is carrying a small, furry, wiggly thing many big dogs can't figure out what it is and they automatically start thinking "squirrel" or "bunny" or "toy". And even a relatively small dog is perfectly capable of knocking someone down and eating the "squirrel" they are carrying, and badly injuring the person in the process. I've seen a number of incidents CAUSED by people scooping up their little dog "to save it" and the big dog, totally uninterested in the little dog up to that point, proceeded to go into serious prey mode and attack. Yes, big dogs shouldn't be doing this, but big dogs shouldn't also be running into other people's yards.



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    Add me to the terrible owner list too, because I let my dog off his leash on our property.

    Frankly, I don't think the OP is at fault here. Her dog was in her own yard. Unless her local laws or HOA say that the dog has to be on a leash in its own yard, she was not doing anything wrong. It is a dog owner's (or sitter's) responsibility to make sure their dog doesn't get loose onto someone else's property. If OP's dog had gone onto the neighbor's property and got attacked by the neighbor's dog, it would be OP's fault. But that's not the case...OP's dog stayed in its own yard, where other dogs are not invited, and got attacked because neighbor failed to restrain HER dog to HER property. Sorry, but not OP's fault. Yes, OP should have her yard completely fenced to make sure her dog doesn't get out and cause harm to itself or someone/something else, but blaming her for someone else's irresponsibility isn't the answer.

    Next thing you know, if a stranger breaks into someone's home and attacks them, it will be the victim's fault because they didn't make their own home an impenetrable jail cell...



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    2ndyrgal
    Rape is far too serious to joke about, really.

    Bad taste, that.
    What a crock. No one's joking about the ignorance of blaming the victim. That garbage emotional BS won't work with me.



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