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  1. #1241
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    Quote Originally Posted by equinedriver View Post
    FYI, I got a private message from a lister who is a prosecutor that agrees with Equine Reproduction that the Canadian law enforcement person is dead on, as is my assessment of developing a criminal case for fraud.

    LETS TRY AND STAY FOCUSED ON TAKING ACTION THAT WILL ACTUALLY RESULT IN A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR FROM JILL............

    And the most likely thing to do that is the threat or reality of criminal charges.
    Someone may want to cross post this on the Canadian BB Equiman Forums...to see if there are more people there that have been wronged...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Samotis View Post
    I was looking up premium foals today from Old/NA and there were quite a few Redwine foals. (from 2011)


    What I don't understand is how did other trainers continue to show Redwine after she had public problems with not paying John French? Wasn't Peter Pletcher riding the horse for a while after John? Wonder if he got paid.

    I hope this gets resolved and the horses stay safe.
    Peter Pletcher was on her facebook page writing "CALL ME!!"

    I'm guessing she pulled the same issues that she did with Mr. French. Classy



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    Quote Originally Posted by sketcher View Post
    I don't see anything here about a case being won,.

    And for someone who is not a horse person and who supposedly would then have no knowledge of this board, what a huge coincidence that you happened to find the particular breeder referred to in this article. Not that that lawsuit does not imply some sort of karmic justice...but it is just one huge, fat coincidence that you happened to find it. Being a non-horse person and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    Jos, just curious - does the Zoosanitary Export Certificate ask for the EVA status of the semen?
    Not Jos - but no . It does not ask for EVA status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehzebra View Post
    http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/rioja.htm

    does anyone have any infor on this foal bred by gff? maybe its just me but it looks not too great.......
    The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes .. fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her .. all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

    As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
    I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

    I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned .. when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world ... Look how far she got depsite what we now know ... can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

    I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.



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    Jill;

    Everyone knows that you are watching (and replying under alters) to this thread. It has become apparently obvious that the truth is out and there have been numerous people on this thread to share their poor experiences they've had with you. I was one of the people who believed you're pretty website with foals frolicking through the fields of green, the pictures of your stallions being shown by the top pros (who you havent paid!), and the extensive "knowledge" you've "shared" all over the internet, etc. I was horribly taken for a ride by the lies you put upfront to your potential clients. Your website is a lie!

    I'm honestly at a loss for words after reading this thread and seeing the photos posted here. Here is a woman, that I thought, was one of the luckiest horse owners in this country. She has a beautiful stallion roster, works with top hunter trainers, and has a pretty impressive mare & foal lineup, has an impressive website and facebook page (that horribly misleads any potential client!).

    Little did I know that she works (and lives in!) filthy conditions, processes semen orders in filth putting her mares-clients mares- and her other stallions in a very serious health danger, forced her elderly parents to live in filth, improperly raised young chickens in a horrid environment, uses her mares as walking uterus factories only to dispose of them to unkown whereabouts when their breeding doesn't live up to her expectations, steals breeding fee money without providing a product, sells foals without any bill of sale/registration paperwork, refuses any phonecalls/emails from clients looking for her when they need something, collects sales prices without providing the buyer with the animal. Does the list of fraud ever end?

    Jill, since I know you're reading this: we beg you to stop posting under alter names, stop sending threatening PM's to members of this forum who have added knowledgable comments, stop false advertising your business, and stop stealing thousands upon thousands of dollars from your clients. The shadyness of your operation have been exposed and the truth is out. We all know the type of conditions your mares, foals, and stallions have been living in and while all appear to be well-fed; we know they deserve much better. Being well-fed doesnt constitute proper welfare of an equine; so many other factors contribute to properly caring for horses.

    The facts coming from your clients through this forum are the facts, unfortunately. They are only detrimental to your operation because you created this firestorm for yourself. You are a bad apple and a bad name contributing to this sport in a horrible manner.

    If you want honest advice, take this with a grain of salt: Pay off your debts: pay off your vet, Pay off the hunter pro's you hired to show and care for your stallions, pay off your feed bills, pay off the owners you purchased from. Return the funds for the breedings you never provided OR provide them what they paid for. Provide the registration paperwork/bill of sales for the horses you've sold or refund them their purchase price. If you're selling the horse as a registered animal; the new owners are ENTITLED to the papers; otherwise you've misled the buyers, falsly advertised the horse, and sold the animal under false information provided to the buyer.

    Next in line; sell your stallions, mares and foals and find them nice homes. You have a nice roster and we all agree that you own nice stock. The unfortunate thing is that they are currently owned by you. Let's be realistic: they deserve better care right now and you are not in a state of mind to provide them with what they need. Lastly; Once the above things are taken care of: get yourself some help for the long-term well being of you. Pay off your debts, make arrangements for your horses, and find some help. Please stop lying through your teeth in attempt to salvage what's left (if anything) of your reputation right now. This is a very honest plea.



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    Peter Pletcher commented, I believe on FB (?) that Jill traded him two 2 yr olds in exchange for fees owed. So they may be settled up.
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    I think Roseland went to Peter Pletcher. Not sure which other one, but on her website, Roseland was listed as "sold" to PP.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace2thebase View Post
    The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes .. fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her .. all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

    As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
    I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

    I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned .. when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world ... Look how far she got depsite what we now know ... can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

    I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.
    He is gorgeous! I hope he repays you for all your troubles with a long, successful career.



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    A few posts have mentioned this, so just to keep things straight...
    it's Belgian Warmblood, not Belgium Warmblood.
    (example: it's Danish warmblood, instead of Denmark warmblood)

    Thanks.
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    As refering to the height issue, I made the statement because she is falsely representing them on her website, no fault of the stallions.

    Pace2thebase: I am sorry your colt did not come to you ion good health. As I had mentioned a friend in Montana had her filly arrive half dead and spent a fortune nursing her back to health. I am glad that Rioja is in a wonderful home and doing well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    He is gorgeous! I hope he repays you for all your troubles with a long, successful career.
    Thank you

    Due to a injury (I suspect) he got while in Jills care he will not be able to stand on line. So sad sense I specifically bred him to be a conformation horse based upon his mother impecable show record .. but I do expect him to be a lovely boy for the hunter ring. Great brain, disposition and lovely mover!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardi View Post
    A few posts have mentioned this, so just to keep things straight...
    it's Belgian Warmblood, not Belgium Warmblood.
    (example: it's Danish warmblood, instead of Denmark warmblood)

    Thanks.
    Forgive .. not too familar with this registry... mental note taken!



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    Quote Originally Posted by KT Farms View Post
    As refering to the height issue, I made the statement because she is falsely representing them on her website, no fault of the stallions.

    Pace2thebase: I am sorry your colt did not come to you ion good health. As I had mentioned a friend in Montana had her filly arrive half dead and spent a fortune nursing her back to health. I am glad that Rioja is in a wonderful home and doing well.
    He was not like your freinds filly (thankfully)but it has taken me 7 months to get him to thrive. He is doing great now Thank you all for the well wishes. Back to lurking now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace2thebase View Post
    The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes .. fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her .. all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

    As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
    I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

    I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned .. when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world ... Look how far she got depsite what we now know ... can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

    I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.
    Makes sense. I also thought Rioja looked very poor in the GFF photos and I'd have been quite worried to tell the truth if any of my foals looked like that, even at only a day or two old.

    Anyway he looks amazing now! You've done a fantastic job with him



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace2thebase View Post
    Forgive .. not too familar with this registry... mental note taken!
    And just to confuse you further...I don't believe that any of Jill's stallions are approved Belgian Warmblood. I suspect that she went with the Belgian SPORTHORSE (sBs) registry. But, the two have reciprocity. Just trying to stick to the facts, Danno .
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    My filly, the one that I had so much trouble getting GOV papers on - the trouble being Jill and not at all GOV where great effort on that registry's part did help me get papers, came to me after weaning with a huge distended belly and very small. She's fine now and healthy but still very small, which is why I posted her current height.

    I suspect strongly that Jill doesn't feed the weanlings anything approaching their required nutritional needs, basing this on my own experience and those of others. It's dubious that the nursing mares are getting proper nutrition. I asked for an IgG copy of the filly, needing it for insurance purposes, and was told by Ms. Jill that she does them herself and doesn't save the results. All of a piece. Bad horsemanship is bad horsemanship and permeates the entire structure of this fraudulent "business".

    By the way, Portia, the dam of my filly, was sold as a youngster herself and was delivered to the new owner who spent $8K plus or minus on vet bills, eventually learning that Portia had been severely injured at Gray Fox Farm, a tidbit unreported to the owner. When the owner confronted Jill Burnell with the fact that she had learned of the injury, apparently Ms. Burnell offered her another youngster in lieu of the injured filly. The money that Portia's owner spent on vet bills was never refunded. I've remained friends with this owner.

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    I love this:

    "I asked for an IgG copy of the filly, needing it for insurance purposes, and was told by Ms. Jill that she does them herself and doesn't save the results."

    If she is doing them herself - she's using a snap test - so she sees the results. I don't believe for a NY minute she's doing them - how would she even find them in that house filled with trash?

    Good Lord - I hope some agencies in California would get involved in this mess and prosecute this woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace2thebase View Post
    The picture you are referring to was taken around 24 to 35 hours old. So yes .. fresh out of the oven. Rioja just turned a year old august 23rd. I have been watching this thread but have not joined in as I felt it was getting a bit out of control. But sense my baby has been mentioned thought I would give you a update on him. I too have not a great relationship with GFF and JB. But feel it best to give details to Equine Driver for her records than air it out here. I will just say it was a very rocky road to finally getting my foal and am still dealing with issues of questionable health while in her care prior to coming to me. I still do not have papers on him. Thanks to this thread, however, I was contacted by the Belgium Sport horse representative that saw I was looking for his papers. I had thought he was to be a Oldenburg but apparently Jill registered him as a Belguim WB. All fees have been paid by her .. all I need to do is send in DNA sample. So he will be papered. I am grateful to her for being responsible at least in this regard. Thou she never did communicate the need for a hair smaple or what I would need to do to complete his registration.

    As to his health. He came to me in questionable health (again will give Equine Driver details) He is now at a year old finally thriving and doing well. He is a huge colt, and super sweet.
    I have not posted many pictures of him because of the above mentioned issues. I do have pictures I took yesterday and would be happy to post it but not sure how to post to this thread.

    I must say that I am so dissappointed in Jill! As people have mentioned .. when the ball is in her court she is lovely, intelligent, fun to talk to, and reasonable. But when you have a problem or in any way take issue with her she goes completely DARK! She could have been on top of the world ... Look how far she got depsite what we now know ... can you imagine what a successful business she would have and what a well regarded person she would be.

    I will post a picture of Rioja on my Face Book Page. Join or freind Winter Haven farm and you can see how he looks today.
    I am the breeder of "Grand Affair" and her sire Grande Saber. She and her full sisters Grande Desire Grande Divina were all registered and inspected with the ISR/OLD and ALL were branded & premium foals. To the best of my knowledge; JB & GFF do not have posession of her foal papers. I would never re-issue a breeding certificate in this instance since I registered Grand Affair originally!

    After 30yrs in WB breeding... I find it necessary from time to time to set the record straight regarding horses I bred/owned for those claiming casually "my" in reference to a horse. Breeders are,in some registries, are allowed info about horses they bred including current owner Sometimes one implies or claims one is "owner" or. "breeder" of horses without clear title or rights. Just sayin' this in general.

    Pace... I very relieved to hear Rioja is on the mend. Good Luck with him; you made a wise investment ..he hails from some of the finest horses I had the pleasure of breeding/owning.

    If you want addtional info from the Source. I bred Grande Saber X Grundstein out of my good mare Can't Act. He was never sold. I traded a WB daughter of THE Roemer KWPN for the TB mare, Grand Affair's dam, to produce this test foal for Saber. As the breeder who birthed the mare Grand Affair and I care about her deeply. Just contact me Tellwynd@aol.com

    FYI : Regarding MY photos. My photos used in GFF & JB sites are NOT used with permission. I gave permission for the year of 2010 to secure my breeding certificate for my Romantic Star colt. Jill had & has been using my copyright protected photos without my permission. She was served with notice and evidently .. Took no notice.

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    But guys, didn't you read her blog about feeding and caring for babies? She seems to point the finger at the other professional breeding farms as being negligent.

    http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/2012...your-baby.html




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