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    I have wondered since day one if I got the right semen but whatever was in there did a good job so I think that is a question better left unanswered.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    I have wondered since day one if I got the right semen but whatever was in there did a good job so I think that is a question better left unanswered.
    Surely, you don't mean that ...



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    What options exist for DNA testing? Does anyone know? I have one in the oven and would like to know for certain once baby arrives. I know it shouldn't really matter as the foal is for keeping...but I'd still like to know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rodawn View Post
    Yes it is, which is also classed as a Mental Illness Disorder, but it is usually strongly interlinked with another mental illnesses. Usually, hoarding begins as a result of a distressing trauma - such as a serious disruption to a financial way of life, loss of a job, loss of a loved one. It is quite often the severe, unmitigated grief reaction to a loss of something held dear to the person and the loss is different for each person. As the reaction goes unchecked and not dealt with on a personal level, it progresses and sometimes develops into what we all call hoarding. It usually doesn't just suddenly happen. Hoarding creeps up on the person as their life spins out of control and they are helpless to stop it. Truly, they feel out of control and thus hang onto whatever they CAN control - their stuff. Piles of stuff. Right now, to use the pictures we got at the beginning of this thread, her life is messy and out of control. There is still considerable hope to get things back under control and life organized because the hoarding isn't up to the roof yet. But, as the hoarding and uncleanliness builds, chances of successful treatment or recovery diminish each passing year. Eventually, as severity progresses (and it will always progress), it tracks into other aspects - in this case, to the care of the outside animals, maintenance and upkeep of the farm, inability to pay attention to financial matters and eventually winds its way into the legal system. The further the situation progresses, the dimmer the chances of recovery become. Another way of putting it, every single other thing that becomes necessary to be dealt with, they just can't deal with it. They can't pay that bill because they feel the need to hoard their cash due to their extreme fear to lose their money. They are, in essence, shutting down and walling themself off trying to protect themselves from yet another trauma or loss or event. Which doesn't work, because they usually self-perpetuate further losses and it becomes a revolving door.
    At this point in time I can't help but be concerned for the ELDERLY PARENTS who were living there.
    This is not a case of an agoraphobic, solitary hoarder who is unable to function in society. I tend to agree with 3Dogs.
    Yvonne , best wishes to you.
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    Holy cow! What a horrible mental illness it is! My aunt's ex daughter-in-law was a hoarder, too. She found a way to please herself by going on a shopping spree. Most of her purchases were found all stacked up everywhere in the house. They were inside boxes or bags with the price tag still attached! But this shocked me a whole lot more b/c of those poor animals! I hope all the animals are somewhere safe and receiving lots of TLC beyond JB's reach.

    My hat is off to Yvonne for being so upfront with all of us. Best of luck with everything and don't forget to take care of yourself, too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by skydy View Post
    Surely, you don't mean that ...
    Ya, she probably does. I bred my mare to Romantic Star in march of 2011; before I had a clue what a cluster this all was. She took but lost it late term. DH used to say that "a mule is gonna pop outta there...", because I knew there was some shadiness going on out there...



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    This is unreal. I bought a breeding to Redwine years ago, before it was out all over the place what a problem she was. I finally tried to use it this year - Jill was very responsive when I needed semen but when my mare didn't take after 4 tries (admittedly, could have been the mare) and I started asking about putting the stud fee towards buying one of her foals or a mare already in foal to Redwine, Jill went 'dark'. I never got any response, despite several attempts. It's unfortunate bc she was very helpful when I was sending her money for collections but once I decided to go another route, nothing.

    I think Jill is obviously suffering from some sort of mental illness based on the state of her property. That is sad and frightening that there were so many horses and elderly people there. I've long given up on every seeing my stud fee again, but I sincerely hope she downsizes Greatly and gets the help she needs.
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    ... but Laurie's lovely filly is being shown in hunter breeding classes.
    Rather important to be sure of the sire, or were you speaking of a different horse, Laurie?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    I have wondered since day one if I got the right semen but whatever was in there did a good job so I think that is a question better left unanswered.
    Isn't parentage verified via DNA for registration either prior to inspection or at inspection?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simkie View Post
    Isn't parentage verified via DNA for registration either prior to inspection or at inspection?
    Nope. I couldn't believe it since I am used to JC rules. My filly looks like a Redwine for the most part so most likely is but she has similar looking stallions so it isn't a given especially when you know how shady the whole operation is. I can see no benefit to opening that can of worms now however. She is who she is.



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    They don't do DNA testing? What?? Oh, that is alarming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    Nope. I couldn't believe it since I am used to JC rules. My filly looks like a Redwine for the most part so most likely is but she has similar looking stallions so it isn't a given especially when you know how shady the whole operation is. I can see no benefit to opening that can of worms now however. She is who she is.
    Really?

    She is lovely..but...but...to a breeder, it should matter!



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    She is already here. I can't change her dna now regardless. Not to mention, I didn't make the rules, I just followed them every single step of the way. All I can do is not make the same mistake of trusting someone who is completely untrustworthy in the future. Hindsight is everything and every single person who has a foal from one of her stallions that didn't have dna verified has to have a question mark in the back of their head.


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    Feeling like it was a bit of a mixed blessing that my mare didn't take
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    She is already here. I can't change her dna now regardless. Not to mention, I didn't make the rules, I just followed them every single step of the way. All I can do is not make the same mistake of trusting someone who is completely untrustworthy in the future. Hindsight is everything and every single person who has a foal from one of her stallions that didn't have dna verified has to have a question mark in the back of their head.
    I understand that. None of this is your fault, but won't her show record have some influence on people who want to breed their mares to her sire?

    What if you decide to breed her? Sell the foal?



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    I'm sorry Laurie, but I beg to differ. Personally, I would want to know, but that's just how I am. And perhaps, if you had a gelding, it wouldn't be a big deal...no possible repercussions on future generations. But, yours is a filly and even if you plan to keep her forever (and I don't know your plans).

    Redwine's DNA should be on file and it's simply a matter of ordering a DNA kit and submitting it. Should cost about $75...double if you need to do the mare, though if you are only interested in confirming the sire, that may not be necessary.

    Further, I believe that if Redwine is going to be "credited" with any of your filly's success, then if there is any doubt in your mind, it should be confirmed.

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    I have no reason to believe she may not be who she is supposed to be except for the fact that the SO is a criminal/lunatic. If the information provided was good enough for the registry that has to be good enough for me.


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    This is truly disturbing. I have conducted business with JB for almost three years and have had no troubles until the last few months. I have read negative posts but never knew if the "truth" was being told. It is very hard in this business to separate fact from fiction. We all know now that it is fact. My heart is breaking for all of these poor horses and the family members. I never visited her farm...just saw pictures and videos of youngsters which all looked as if they were taken very good care of. I guess I need to be thankful for the lovely offspring I own that were produced by her stallions especially Arbor Day. I am owed a decent sum of money by JB and for the past few months have not been able to get the problem resolved...and it obviously isnt looking to good now...


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    We had good dealings with her in the beginning, too, but when she owed us money is when she began to spread rumors. She is sneaky about how she does this ... she sends PMs and emails, via her blog, and posting as alters. It has been her MO for years and so many people have been burned (more than just financially). I am so sorry that you are having to deal with this now. Hopefully, now that people are aware, this behavior will be deterred.
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