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  1. #4281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Helpus View Post
    That is me who liked your post. I took it the way you meant it.

    If Acertain smile doesn't begin to stick to fact, instead of spreading wild and demeaning rumors. this thread will probably be shut down (which should have happened at least 100 pages ago)..

    So.... Keep on going Acertainsmile. Only people like you (and me, who was goaded into a vituperative reply) will get this shut down.
    What rumor? Good grief, is it something in the air?



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    Quote Originally Posted by DMK View Post
    I'm not in any way referring to the movie. I'm referring to Phipps and Hancock choosing to waive stud fees in order to attract suitable mares in exchange for half the progeny of those mares.

    Can you elaborate on what you though I was referring to? Or did you just assume my knowledge was limited to the fiction of the movie, which had precisely nothing to do with the topic at hand, the legality or ethical nature of waived or discounted stud fees. The reality? A bit more on point.
    Ring a bell?

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    We're going to give this thread a time out to let folks simmer down as we await some further concrete information about the seizure and related issues. Anyone is welcome to PM me to give a heads up when there is a significant development in the case, and we'll be happy to reopen the thread.

    Thanks ~
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  4. #4284

    Default Auction Updates

    Auction Items Closing This Evening, Thu Jan 24 2013:
    (Note that auction closes at time indicated or approximately 5 minutes after last bid)

    21:10:00 EST 1 dose frozen semen from the Trakehner stallion, Hennessey
    21:25:00 EST 1 Bossy Bib in the size & colour (navy, green, burgundy, black or white) of the winner's choice
    21:40:00 EST 1 Custom Made Fly Bonnet
    21:55:00 EST Bridleway Wool Dress Cooler
    22:10:00 EST 1 Animal Communication Session

    Tally to Date/Time of Posting

    Date Total
    Winning
    Bids
    Payments Received to Date
    (Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)
    January 10-16, 2013 $15,379.00 $10,104
    January 17, 2013 $1,650.00 $1,650
    January 18, 2013 $1,750.00 $1,150
    January 19, 2013 $1,064.50 $744.50
    January 20, 2013 $1,250.00 $855
    January 21, 2013 $890 $245
    January 22, 2013 $1,660 $1,550
    January 24, 2013 $495 $250
    TOTALS: $24,138.50 $17,048.50

    Please note that we are no longer accepting donations specifically in aid of the Marin Humane Society. We are however accepting donations in aid of other current and future situations, and will keep the auction going as long as we have items donated!

    It goes without saying - but we very happily say it anyway - that we offer a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has donated or participated in the auction so far!!


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    Default Auction Updates

    Auction Items Closing This Evening, Fri Jan 25 2013:
    (Note that auction closes at time indicated or approximately 5 minutes after last bid)

    21:10:00 EST 2 breeding doses (frozen) to RID stallion, Touch Of The Blues
    21:25:00 EST 1 Pair of Ceramic Horse Head Hooks
    21:40:00 EST Virtual EquID Custom Horse ID Cards, for 3 horses
    21:55:00 EST 1 Breeding to the Oldenburg Stallion, Airborn
    22:10:00 EST 1 Breeding to the Connemara stallion, W.H. Topgun

    Don't Miss!!
    We accidentally listed a 17.5" Collegiate Saddle under "other items" rather than "Tack" (which is of course where it should have been placed!) - bidding closes on this item at 21:10 on Sunday 1/27/2013 - follow that link for more details.

    Tally to Date/Time of Posting

    Date Total
    Winning
    Bids
    Payments Received to Date
    (Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)
    January 10-16, 2013 $15,379.00 $12,414
    January 17, 2013 $1,650.00 $1,650
    January 18, 2013 $1,750.00 $1,150
    January 19, 2013 $1,064.50 $744.50
    January 20, 2013 $1,250.00 $1,250
    January 21, 2013 $890 $245
    January 22, 2013 $1,660 $1,550
    January 23, 2013 $495 $250
    January 24, 2013 $513 $210
    TOTALS: $24,651.50 $19,463.50

    Please note that we are no longer accepting donations specifically in aid of the Marin Humane Society. We are however accepting donations in aid of other current and future situations, and will keep the auction going as long as we have items donated!

    It goes without saying - but we very happily say it anyway - that we offer a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has donated or participated in the auction so far!!


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  6. #4286

    Default Auction Updates

    Auction Items Closing This Evening, Mon Jan 28 2013:
    (Note that auction closes at time indicated or approximately 5 minutes after last bid)

    21:10:00 EST Sanoran Symphony 29" x 18" Print
    21:25:00 EST Wild, Wild West (Yellowstone) 29" x 18" Print
    21:40:00 EST Two brand new kitchen dish towels, embroidered with a Welsh Pony design
    21:55:00 EST 1 breeding to the Hanoverian stallion, Schwarzenegger
    22:10:00 EST 1 (LFG) Breeding to Lifetime Approved Danish Warmblood Stallion, Cobra One

    Tally to Date/Time of Posting

    Date Total
    Winning
    Bids
    Payments Received to Date
    (Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)
    January 10-23, 2013 $24,138.50 $20,088.50
    January 24, 2013 $513 $380
    January 25, 2013 $1,472 $1,100
    January 26, 2013 $1,505 $1,505
    January 27, 2013 $575 $455
    TOTALS: $28,203.50 $23,528.50

    Please note that we are no longer accepting donations specifically in aid of the Marin Humane Society. We are however accepting donations in aid of other current and future situations, and will keep the auction going as long as we have items donated!

    It goes without saying - but we very happily say it anyway - that we offer a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has donated or participated in the auction so far!!


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    Default The Penultimate Auction!! Last One Tomorrow!!

    Auction Items Closing This Evening, Tue Jan 29 2013:
    (Note that auction closes at time indicated or approximately 5 minutes after last bid)

    21:10:00 EST Acrylic 10" x 8" Horse Head Painting
    21:25:00 EST Acrylic 12" x 12" Unicorn Foal Painting
    21:40:00 EST Acrylic 16" x 20" Horse Painting
    21:55:00 EST Custom Equine or Canine Pencil Portrait
    22:10:00 EST "Chinese Treasure" Giant Panda print. by Charles Frace
    22:25:00 EST 2 Lessons with Heather Bailey or John Strassburger of Phoenix Farm

    Tally to Date/Time of Posting

    Date Total
    Winning
    Bids
    Payments Received to Date
    (Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)
    January 10-23, 2013 $24,138.50 $20,088.50
    January 24, 2013 $513 $380
    January 25, 2013 $1,472 $1,100
    January 26, 2013 $1,505 $1,505
    January 27, 2013 $575 $455
    January 28, 2013 $1,150 $1,040
    TOTALS: $29,353.50 $24,568.50

    Please note that we are no longer accepting donations specifically in aid of the Marin Humane Society. We are however accepting donations for future auctions in aid of other situations!

    It goes without saying - but we very happily say it anyway - that we offer a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has donated or participated in the auction so far!!


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    Default Auction Updates - 1/30/2013 - The last one!!

    This Is It! The Last Auction in the Series!
    Thank you everyone for your support!!!


    Auction Items Closing This Evening, Wed Jan 30 2013:
    (Note that auction closes at time indicated or approximately 5 minutes after last bid)

    21:10:00 EST 3 doses of frozen semen from Oldenburg stallion, Bravo
    21:25:00 EST 1 Professional Print by Dee Seiden - Arabian
    21:40:00 EST 1 Professional Print by Dee Seiden - Thoroughbred
    21:55:00 EST Custom Horse Portrait 8" x 10"
    22:10:00 EST 1 Emerald Valley Gift Pack

    Tally to Date/Time of Posting

    Date Total
    Winning
    Bids
    Payments Received to Date
    (Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)
    January 10-23, 2013 $24,138.50 $20,088.50
    January 24, 2013 $513 $380
    January 25, 2013 $1,472 $1,100
    January 26, 2013 $1,505 $1,505
    January 27, 2013 $575 $455
    January 28, 2013 $1,150 $1,040
    January 29, 2013 $355 $105
    TOTALS: $29,708.50 $24,673.50

    Please note that we are no longer accepting donations specifically in aid of the Marin Humane Society. We are however accepting donations for future auctions in aid of other situations!

    It goes without saying - but we very happily say it anyway - that we offer a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has donated or participated in the auction so far!!


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    There are new news reports and official report on Marin County website and local newspapers and Rate My Horse Pro.

    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706

    https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI...QNkHdILKKOqGrF

    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/i...justified.aspx
    Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonesta View Post
    There are new news reports and official report on Marin County website and local newspapers and Rate My Horse Pro.

    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706

    https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI...QNkHdILKKOqGrF

    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/i...justified.aspx
    Oh, it's that old "The Humane Society seized the horses to spur fundraising" argument.

    Someone needs to put the word out that Leg-Up's fundraising (over $20K, I think?) was entirely the idea of the Leg-Up people and others on CoTH. It did not happen because Marin came knocking on the door asking for money.

    As an aside, I see Jill Burnell is not a subscriber to the mindset of "I feed my horses before I feed myself". She appears to be extremely well-fed in that photo just below the poor skinny mare.
    Last edited by Mara; Feb. 1, 2013 at 01:18 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonesta View Post
    There are new news reports and official report on Marin County website and local newspapers and Rate My Horse Pro.

    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706

    https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI...QNkHdILKKOqGrF

    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/i...justified.aspx
    Thanks for updating us.


    I will say her lawyer is working hard on her behalf. I sure hope she gets paid when she is done because she deserves to be.


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    ^^^ My guess is the lawyer will get paid in horses - after all, Jill does not have the funds to properly house her horses, or herself, so I am not sure how she would have cash to pay for an attorney.


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    The Humane Society's update is much more detailed and disturbing.

    Once again, Marin Humane Society’s seizure of neglected horses upheld after hearing

    Owners have not demonstrated their ability to provide necessary care for the horses

    NOVATO, CALIF. — After a seven-hour hearing on January 24 detailing severe animal neglect, an independent Hearing Officer today ruled that Marin Humane Society Animal Services, a division of the non-profit Marin Humane Society (MHS), properly rescued two mares named “Blackie” and “Nutsie” from Gray Fox Farm on January 4. The ruling comes on the heels of a January 14 decision which found that MHS was justified in the seizure of a badly wounded stallion and a malnourished mare from the same property on December 27, 2012. MHS continues to monitor the remaining animals at the Chileno Valley breeding farm occupied by Jill and Alex Burnell.

    MHS Animal Services Officers visited Gray Fox Farm on December 27 to find severe neglect, injuries, and inhumane living conditions for horses living on the property. Two horses known as “Romantic Star” and “Pookie” were taken by MHS on that date. After the Burnells failed to respond to a care agreement and its deadlines for veterinary and hoof care for some of the horses, MHS returned to the property on January 4 to find the problems were ongoing, and more horses were in need of prompt attention.

    Animal Services Officers could see that there were still very thin horses on the property and a lack of sufficient pasture or feed. There were bushes stripped down to bark, indicating that the horses were suffering from extreme deprivation of food, forcing them to eat anything they could find.

    Officers found that Nutsie and Blackie were particularly affected to the point of near starvation. Nutsie had no fat across the crest of her neck. Her shoulder blades and withers stood out prominently. Blackie’s shoulder blades, backbone and hip bones stuck out. With a thick heavy coat, officers could still see all her ribs. Officers could feel no discernible fat behind Blackie’s legs, on her chest or above her crest. Her neck was sunken in dramatically.

    Humane officers have a duty and the authority to remove animals if it is deemed that prompt action is required to protect their health or safety, or if the officers believe animal cruelty is being committed and a seizure is necessary.

    “For the second time, the hearing officer, after reviewing extensive evidence, recognized the suffering of horses seized from the Burnells, and the need for the horses’ liberation from their deteriorating condition. This should be a further wake-up call regarding the expectation in Marin, and under California law, that animals be treated properly,” said Bruce Wagman of the Schiff Hardin law firm, who is representing the Marin Humane Society. “The ruling also makes very clear that the Burnells are not in a position to properly care for the horses.”


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    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706
    "Wagman the confiscated horses are recovering well. Animal control officers have not made additional visits to Gray Fox Farms, he said."

    This quote is MOST disturbing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilacotti View Post
    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706
    "Wagman the confiscated horses are recovering well. Animal control officers have not made additional visits to Gray Fox Farms, he said."

    This quote is MOST disturbing!
    Agreed. How are the horses being monitored?


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    Quote Originally Posted by horsenut93136 View Post
    Agreed. How are the horses being monitored?
    And how do we know that Jill hasn't hidden more of them?


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    I wondered also when I first read that....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara View Post
    And how do we know that Jill hasn't hidden more of them?
    Not a thing you can do about that unless they are all seized. No one has an injunction to stop her from selling or moving horses off the property. At least not that has been publicly noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilacotti View Post
    http://petaluma.patch.com/articles/a...photo-13031706
    "Wagman the confiscated horses are recovering well. Animal control officers have not made additional visits to Gray Fox Farms, he said."

    This quote is MOST disturbing!
    Agree. I wonder how many of the other horses have gone downhill in the past few weeks?


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    MHS has been on the ball to this point. Why assume their comment that they are not stopping in means more than what is stated. I doubt they are just ignoring the rest of the horses. Let them do their job, they are the people who know the whole story and the best way to deal with it.


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