[Bayhawk]

I can't believe I play in this game but you are right :''I wish SOME people would get the facts straight before they post this garbage.''


Facts:

Out of 9237 foals registered with the KWPN from KWPN, Erkend, TB, Gelders and Harness stallions in 2011 there was
37% dressage and 55% jumping. The stats don't show how many were born out of Erkend Studbook but lets put the difference between 11,000 born with same proportion, that would make 6,028 foals born in the jumping direction compare to 4070 in dressage.

So from now on you can say :

''They produce a pawltry 3,000 + foals a year compared to upwards of 6000 by the KWPN.''


Sorry from being so rude, it's not my type but '' I am not angry about anything. I just get sick and tired of the spreading of mis-information.''

Oh no ! 2 can play this game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and use your numbers shall we ?

Since you are removing horses , it's only fair I get to do the same. Lets remove 1,000 Holsteiner foals that went to Eventing , dressage and combined driving. Now we have 2,000 vs. 6,000........STILL the KWPN had to breed THREE TIMES as many horses and still can't keep pace.

no matter what numbers you want to use......you still come up short.

[Lynnwood]

This thread is like watching broodmares fight over a bale of hay. There is plenty to go around Stop thinking your not going to get yours , un-pin your ears and act right.

[Renascence]

Good luck Bloomington with "playing their game". Discussing registries with the American Holstein posse is akin to discussing politics with Bill O Reilly and about as entertaining. And it is not without reason that your country does not allow the fair and balanced facts reporting of Fox News to be broadcast.

[omare]

A quick look at pictures of verband sires shows 6 out of 64 being marketed for dressage (ie, in extended trot mode) which puts it at a little under 10 percent of stallions marketed for dressage. (I realize they have also added some dressage stallion of late from outside books to satisfy breeders--there is defintiely money in dressage horses.) I dont see any being driven--and I counted the in-hand extended trots w the dressage group.

I guess one could also argue breeding practices could diminish number of horses going into sport-- which book holds back more mares and never puts them into sport? And so it goes....

[Noms]

Oh no ! 2 can play this game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and use your numbers shall we ?

Since you are removing horses , it's only fair I get to do the same. Lets remove 1,000 Holsteiner foals that went to Eventing , dressage and combined driving. Now we have 2,000 vs. 6,000........STILL the KWPN had to breed THREE TIMES as many horses and still can't keep pace.

no matter what numbers you want to use......you still come up short.

How about if we look at it this way. A country vs a region of a country.

The NL has about 17 million people, vs about 3 million in the region of Holstein.

It would make sense that there are many many more breeders of KPWN horses and many many more foals that are entering the KWPN registry vs the number of HOL horses entering the registry. You could assume that there are quite a few hobby breeders (BYB variety) in that group of annually registered KWPN foals.

So it is not comparing apples to apples to say that all of the KWPN horses registered annualy are comparable to all of the HOL horses registered annually, not even considering dressage vs jumper vs eventing.

If you can get to those two populations of KWPN and HOL horses, than we can have a meaningful comparison.

[bloomingtonfarm]

Oh no ! 2 can play this game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and use your numbers shall we ?

Since you are removing horses , it's only fair I get to do the same. Lets remove 1,000 Holsteiner foals that went to Eventing , dressage and combined driving. Now we have 2,000 vs. 6,000........STILL the KWPN had to breed THREE TIMES as many horses and still can't keep pace.

no matter what numbers you want to use......you still come up short.

Well we are getting there; 3 times is closer to the 'facts' than 4 times.

Still, may I ask where your 1,000 horses are coming from? How many in dressage and eventing? I don't know if your number is accurate but mine is and found in the KWPN registry foal reports of 2011.

You see eventing is not a breeding direction within the KWPN,so eventers comes mostly from jumpers foals and some jumpers foal could become dressage horses. So if I follow you I guess I could take even more out of my numbers from the KWPN jumpers?