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  1. #21
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    Does the 'German' style of Dr.B and Klaus B hark back to the preRK/ueberLDR days of EvN at Karlsruhe, KdJ at Verden, Dr Klimke et al? I think it does. Dr Paul Stettel(sp?) now in his 90s ,still teaches Ingrid K as he did her father, and Klaus B! Also Ingrid started the best German horse Damon Hill, now ridden by Helen Langehanenberg, who was a stable jockey/working pupil(?) for Klaus B.(whotrains Laura B, whose father trained Carl H, who trains Charlotte D) And so the old tried and tested ways of allowing the horse to find true self-carriage rather than a forced facsimilie of it comes to the fore again, and thank goodness for that!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rats View Post
    Does the 'German' style of Dr.B and Klaus B hark back to the preRK/ueberLDR days....

    And so the old tried and tested ways of allowing the horse to find true self-carriage rather than a forced facsimilie of it comes to the fore again, and thank goodness for that!

    Yes and I agree.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rats View Post
    Does the 'German' style of Dr.B and Klaus B hark back to the preRK/ueberLDR days of EvN at Karlsruhe, KdJ at Verden, Dr Klimke et al? I think it does. Dr Paul Stettel(sp?) now in his 90s ,still teaches Ingrid K as he did her father, and Klaus B! Also Ingrid started the best German horse Damon Hill, now ridden by Helen Langehanenberg, who was a stable jockey/working pupil(?) for Klaus B.(whotrains Laura B, whose father trained Carl H, who trains Charlotte D) And so the old tried and tested ways of allowing the horse to find true self-carriage rather than a forced facsimilie of it comes to the fore again, and thank goodness for that!
    "you can only ride the drama llama so hard before it decides to spit in your face." ?Caffeinated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rats View Post
    Dr Paul Stettel(sp?) now in his 90s ,still teaches Ingrid K as he did her father, and Klaus B! Also Ingrid started the best German horse Damon Hill, now ridden by Helen Langehanenberg, who was a stable jockey/working pupil(?) for Klaus B.(whotrains Laura B, whose father trained Carl H, who trains Charlotte D) And so the old tried and tested ways of allowing the horse to find true self-carriage rather than a forced facsimilie of it comes to the fore again, and thank goodness for that!
    I think it is not that the British ride less "German" (or "Dutch" for that matter) but rather they took the best from all systems and made it their own. To me, it seems that they ride in a very light and elegant manner and if they do practice LDR, it is not the same sort of LDR that has been practiced so recently by most of the Dutch. England has a lot of German expatriots (like Mr. B) and also with the young horse Farouche, they are English but I believe that their father is a German expatriot (Eilberg). I also believe that they train in a much more classical manner, and agree with what Rats posted above.

    They also were willing to try out many different warmblood breeds/types till they found the ones that worked for them and their style of riding (ie, Carl likes Negro offspring, and these are not the typical super hot Jazz offspring).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozart View Post
    So Equibrit and Edgewood, are you suggesting they went from trying to ride like Germans back to a more "British" style? What about the influence of Dr. Bechtolsheimer? Given that he trained Laura and Carl and Carl trained Charlotte does that not suggest that he has had a very significant role in this result?
    As I remember it Dr B fell out with the "German Way" and moved to the UK. Yes he did have a significant roll in this success (as I keep pointing out) because he trained horses in a more sympathetic way. I don't think the British ever tried to ride like Germans.
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    I think he moved away from the way German COMPETATIVE dressage was going 25 odd yrs ago, not the old 'classic' way of EvN and KdJ.....the latter's videos(now on one dvd) are a rallying call from around that time, and didn't Dr K speak out re overbending about that time? Or perhaps later when it was becoming all too common in competition with the big heavy souped up WBs ridden by small ladies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stolensilver View Post
    I don't know how much help the riders and horses who are shortlisted for the team get.
    According to Carl's website...

    As part of the World Class Performance Programme, supported by Lottery funding thorough UK Sport, Carl receives support from the British Team vets, farriers, equine physiotherapist and nutritionalist, working with Carl's 'home team', they closely monitors the horses to ensure every horse maximises its performance. This support extends to a professional management team that is focussed on supporting the riders, coaches, vets and other key staff at major intenational competitions.



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