[tradewind]

Dogs are better off lying in the car than standing...My 30 inch greyhound male rode in everything from an old Escort to a Mini Van, to an Exploreer, but he knew he had to lay down when he got in the car. He was taught that from the time he was a puppy. Your friend should find a reliable vehichle that she can afford and teach the dogs to lay down once in if she is not going to crate them.

[JanM]

If anyone else is looking, then the Honda Element has been discontinued, but many dealers have some '12 models on the lot. And I have an '03 Element that when it's time to replace I have a few people who want to buy it outright from me.

I wish more vehicles offered the flooring that's plastic or rubber, and not carpet the way the Element does. I totally hate floor mats when they get wet or snowy, and the way separate mats move all over carpet when they age.