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  1. #181
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    That's why I asked about "authorities". If it doesn't already exist, there should be some kiind of registry for complaints that people can check with. Otherwise people can just do it again. One summer when I was in college I briefly worked this horse trainer that you couldn't trust as far as you could throw. In the couple of weeks i was there i saw him blatantly misrepresent horses that he'd picked up somewhere for a couple hundred dollars as having pedigrees that they didnt and he would invent show records. I asked him once about what he was doing, and he smiled and told me, "if you can get away with it, alls fair in love and war and horse trading". (Of course it was pre-Internet and COTH) One morning I reported to work, and the barn was empty and he was nowhere to be found. About 15 years later I was in a totally different state in a different region of the country and I heard about a guy with the same M.O. I went over to the farm and it was the same guy, with a slightly different name, and he was up to his old tricks. Who knows if he's still around. In my experience with horses, most people are trying to do the right thing, and of those who aren't (llike TDE), it's out of ignorance rather than outright dishonesty. For those people like my former boss, however, there needs to be a way of permanently keeping them from ripping more people off. Of course forums are good, but thet can be a bit dangerous, as anyone can make allegations, and it can easily become a witch hunt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MCM746 View Post
    Of course forums are good, but thet can be a bit dangerous, as anyone can make allegations, and it can easily become a witch hunt.
    COTH does seem to keep a check on the "witch hunts'.



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    Look up "horse trader" in the thesarus and this is what you find:

    bastard, bluffer, charlatan, cheat, counterfeit, crook, deceiver, double-dealer, fake, forger, four-flusher, hoaxer, horse trader , impostor, mechanic, mountebank, phony, play actor, pretender, quack, racketeer, sham*, shark, swindler
    Just saying, the horse business has always had it's share of bad apples!



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    Not that this is any surprise, given SHRU's admission and the discovery of the YouTube video, but got this letter back from Poland...


    Dear Julia,
    Regarding this pedigree, in our data base there is a horse named WEZYR registered with passport number 616009630084109 parents Wotum – Wendeta by Arlin, breed polish warmblood, colour chestnut. If the owner doesn’t have passport or any identification document for this horse, there’s no reason to believe in the horse’s origin and he has no right to use it in breeding.

    Best regards,
    Agnieszka Szymańska
    Dział Ksiąg Stadnych i Identyfikacji /
    Studbook & Identification Department
    The rebel in the grey shirt


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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Not that this is any surprise, given SHRU's admission and the discovery of the YouTube video, but got this letter back from Poland...


    Dear Julia,
    Regarding this pedigree, in our data base there is a horse named WEZYR registered with passport number 616009630084109 parents Wotum – Wendeta by Arlin, breed polish warmblood, colour chestnut. If the owner doesn’t have passport or any identification document for this horse, there’s no reason to believe in the horse’s origin and he has no right to use it in breeding.

    Best regards,
    Agnieszka Szymañska
    Dzia³ Ksi¹g Stadnych i Identyfikacji /
    Studbook & Identification Department
    Oh boy, that horse didn't look in the least bit chestnut to me..

    Officially busted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skydy View Post
    Oh boy, that horse didn't look in the least bit chestnut to me..

    Officially busted.
    The real horse with those bloodlines is posted in this thread. Not even a close look a like


    Here he is ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jd4i6eMiHw
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    Wow, that's a gorgeous horse!

    The fake Wezyr doesn't hold a candle - although he's cute, in a draft cross sort of way.


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    Ooh I like him! I also admire anyone who can longe in a blowing snowstorm!

    You have to admit, the horse's personality looks a little bit spicy, not so ammie friendly is my guess ... maybe with more training. He's very cool looking though. Where does the flat croup and Araby tail carriage come from?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nootka View Post
    The real horse with those bloodlines is posted in this thread. Not even a close look a like


    Here he is ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jd4i6eMiHw
    Yup, somehow I don't think the two are at all related.

    Sporthorsesrus you've got a lot of 'splaining to do..


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    You guys just aren't using your imagination enough! So he is a little plumper and sunbleached now!


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    She really ought to learn how to use that industrial strength bleach ... I think she went overboard on getting out those manure stains.

    Poor horsie ... moved to a new country, grew a little older, started eating too much fast food ... and look at him now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwill View Post
    She really ought to learn how to use that industrial strength bleach ... I think she went overboard on getting out those manure stains.

    Poor horsie ... moved to a new country, grew a little older, started eating too much fast food ... and look at him now.
    /splorfle
    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

    Proudly owned by Mythic Feronia, 1998 Morgan mare; G-dspeed Trump & Minnie; welcome 2014 Morgan filly MtnTop FlyWithMeJosephine



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwill View Post
    She really ought to learn how to use that industrial strength bleach ... I think she went overboard on getting out those manure stains.

    Poor horsie ... moved to a new country, grew a little older, started eating too much fast food ... and look at him now.
    But.. how did she shorten his legs?

    ETA I'm still waiting to be contacted by the "private attorney".



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    Me too since I kinda was the first one to "out" Sporthorsesrus on this thread.

    LMAO
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    i think folks forget that for the average horse person a "warmblood" is when you cross a draft with something else.....

    I am not defending anyone on this thread - but i think you folks are once again, going overboard.... people change the names of horses ALL THE TIME.

    and anyone with any kind of educated sense would know that stallion in question is NO european WB.

    and as for the little barb that it is impossible for a drafty to do 4th level ..... i suggest you do some research



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    mbm, did you read the whole thread? It's not about her just changing a name. She changed his name, his breed, falsefied his registration, stole another stallions pedigree, and sold at least one mare bred to this stallion with these false credentials.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miichelle View Post
    mbm, did you read the whole thread? It's not about her just changing a name. She changed his name, his breed, falsefied his registration, stole another stallions pedigree, and sold at least one mare bred to this stallion with these false credentials.
    ^^^ Exactly

    It was a lot more than just "hotblood" to "coldblood" so he was a "warmblood'

    She took another's name and blood and posted it as his own. Fraud
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbm View Post
    i think folks forget that for the average horse person a "warmblood" is when you cross a draft with something else.....

    I am not defending anyone on this thread - but i think you folks are once again, going overboard.... people change the names of horses ALL THE TIME.

    and anyone with any kind of educated sense would know that stallion in question is NO european WB.

    and as for the little barb that it is impossible for a drafty to do 4th level ..... i suggest you do some research
    Sporthorsesrus created a false pedigree and stood this horse at stud!!! Change of name is hardly the issue here!

    She only removed the advert for the horse at stud including his fictitious pedigree when she was discovered by the people on this thread.

    No big deal to you, if you pay for breeding to a stallion who's pedigree is fraudulent? I think you are a minority of one, in that case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbm View Post
    i think folks forget that for the average horse person a "warmblood" is when you cross a draft with something else.....

    I am not defending anyone on this thread - but i think you folks are once again, going overboard.... people change the names of horses ALL THE TIME.

    and anyone with any kind of educated sense would know that stallion in question is NO european WB.

    and as for the little barb that it is impossible for a drafty to do 4th level ..... i suggest you do some research
    BS
    You don't charge 6k in utero for a draft cross. One that you say you can register with a Warmblood registry because the sire is a Canadian Warmblood. Give me a break. The term warmbood is no longer used in that context. Not with the prevalence of Warmblood's in NA. Therorectically, just about any horse could be called a warmblood, including a purbred quarter horse, but no one does. Not unless they are trying to misrepresent the product. It is called a grade.


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