[LMH]

So an unmentioned friend of mine has now ruined my life because she told me about this breed...

Now. I. Want.

But where do you find one? I googled and there are only a handful of breeders and most sites are not even current.

Is this breed becoming a thing of the past??

[arabracer]

I saw one advertised in the classified on endurance.net yesterday.

[Bank of Dad]

There's one in MD on Dreamhorse.com

[Robyn]

be careful what you wish for. I did not have a good experience with this breed, however my horse was a cross. That said, it could very well just have been the individual so take this with a grain of salt...

[skippy60]

Not meaning to hijack the thread, but could someone please tell me about shagya arabs?

[Foxtrot's]

This is of no consequence, or opinion of the breed - but I once saw one and it was one of those horses that stays in my mind, even today. His movement and presence caught my eye - and he was a Shagya.

[vineyridge]

there is a very interesting German stallion named Bonaparte N. He's mostly Shagya and what isn't Shagya is TB. He's a show jumping Derby horse.

If you search for Shagya, probably through Google, there was a breeder who posted here a few years back.

[Calhoun]

My mare is registered with Hungarian and Shagya registries, she is a gift, the absolute best temperament. She can jump a 2' 6" course with no problem, currently we're working on 3' and hopefully will be consistent by Fall. She is schooling first level dressage, not a uber fancy mover, but enough to score mid 60's at shows. I don't see her going past 3rd level, but she may surprise me. Her confirmation is good, fantastic feet and she can eat bark off a tree and survive. She is the barn favorite with the staff due to her manners; what I like best is her total devotion to me, she gives me 100%. In all my years of owning horses, never had a horse like this one. I am thinking very seriously of breeding her for my next horse.

[hank]

^^^this^^^ post is not going to help unmentioned friend have a better day.

[Inese]

Not meaning to hijack the thread, but could someone please tell me about shagya arabs?

Great writeup about the breed and their influence on Warmblood registries here
http://www.shagyasport.com/news_ramzes.html


Illinois breeders:

http://www.shagyasport.com/news_ramzes.html
http://www.wineglassfarm.com/
http://www.udonet.com/egretlake/

[Chall]

I have a Tb and a purebred Arab. On the site I looked at, that included farms in hungary, they showed quite a few Shagyas. Somehow I did not like their looks. It was like the worst of both breeds, with shark fin withers, too long cannons, too long backs.
But I'm sure there are stunning individuals out there, and every horse is beautiful in his own way. I look forward to seeing the above sites with better pictures that capture their beauty

[chicamux]

The horse advertised for sale in MD is a very nice horse. I've been out riding with the seller and was impressed with his good mind. He's also very well built.

Bonnie

[vineyridge]

A purebred Shagya is pure Arabian blood. They've just been selected for centuries for different characteristic that the Arabians we are used to.

[Chall]

That's interesting, do you have a site I can look at? I thought they were crossbred with Hungarian breeds in the past, but were a closed book now.[SIZE=-1][/SIZE]

[vineyridge]

I was wrong. Apparently in the origins of the Shagya, the usual practice of breeding local mares of the type desired to imported Arabians was followed. Everything I've read says that early on a few TBs and Lippizanners were used to add height. But the books have been closed to everything except Arabs for many, many generations; and Shagya is considered an Arabian sub-breed by the International Arabian authorities.

[LMH]

http://www.adeles-shagyas.com/upload...ort_Horses.pdf

http://www.adeles-shagyas.com/upload..._Old_Breed.pdf

[cloudyandcallie]

Hey, L, make sure you like Arabs before you buy a Shagya Arab. You do know Arabs are known for being different? Of course they are also known for winning all of the endurance rides.

Cloudy has some Shagya Arabs in his bloodline. The Inschallah side.

After your experience with your WB, you need to consider the traits of Arabs before getting one.

Hold off on the flaming! I love Arabs and had I not been 5'8" tall at 12 yoa, I'd have had one of the Lewisfield Arabs from over in Charlottesville.

[starrunner]

Kerrigan Bloodstock is a current Shagya breeder. The Quarab posted in the dressage section recently is sired from a stallion there.

Might be worth contacting if you're interesting in looking at more Shagyas. It seems that the website is kept up to date.

[Kwill]

A purebred Shagya is not pure Arabian blood; in fact, they can't be more than a percentage of purebred Arabian. The original breeders in Hungary crossed Arabs imported from the desert with native mares to create a warmblood type breed with a strong Arab influence.

In North America, the only way to restart the breed was for the Europeans to approve a select group of Arabian mares that followed the breeding of the original Shagya lines in Europe crossed with an imported Shagya stallion named Bold Bravo (and others), who was found by Adele Furby just days before he was to be put down at the bequest of his deceased owner, a Hungarian. Later, the American breeders used imported semen to add to these lines.

A Shagya is going to either be a very sturdy warmblood type, or they are going to be more of an endurance type (generally lines tracing back to a stallion named Oman, who competed in the Tevis Cup.) The stallion lines with the name Shagya in them look and move more like warmbloods. Adele Furby breeds the warmblood type, although she did have a couple of the endurance types standing at her farm for a while.

Personality wise, they tend to be either very laid back or very reactive. if you get a smart reactive one, they are not the easiest ride in the world. My experience is they tend to challenge the rider, regardless, and have a mind of their own. They can be nice movers but the purebreds never seem to be able to compete at higher levels in the dressage world, but they do excell at endurance, and adding them to sporthorse lines really adds a lot of quality. They are easy keepers with good feet, and are for the most part a very pretty horse.

[Regardless]

My Shagya is a different kinda guy.. I've had Arabs for most of my life, have ridden horses on and off the racetrack as well as a few warmbloods. I'd say my Shagya is more like a warmblood than he is like an Arab. The sensitivity is just not there, and neither is the reactiveness, which is good and bad. I'm used to a super-sensitive horse so having to up the ante is a bit hard for me. He is also wicked smart and somewhat calculating which can also be a bit unnerving

I keep waiting for a big explosion but he never goes there. Very good mover, good metabolics and humungous bone/feet. I would pick a lighter one for my next endurance horse, or preferably a half-Arab/half-Shagya. Most Shagya owners are *very* passionate about the breed and very welcoming to the "club." The big head is a bit different to get used to LOL! I do think they are gorgeous, however, and watching my guy move is incredible.

Forgot to answer the question!! Mine was bred by Adele, by Janos, who was an FEI endurance horse and imported to Japan a few years back. He was on the way to the WEG in Kentucky but unfortunately colicked and died prior to leaving. There are quite a few around if you know where to look. Check out the Performance Shagya Horse Registry webpage and Facebook page, most breeders are really nice!