[7HL]

SARAHSUS why doesn't come clean about it's associations with PETA, direct and indirect?

and a meatless Monday recipe.

You have to be kidding?

[Bluey]

That is YOUR opinion and you should add a disclaimer everytime you post something that you cannot back up.




Again, YOUR opinion. We all know, you'd prefer no-one ever alerts anyone to animal abuse of any kind as it undermines YOUR property rights.



Let's go ahead and classify dogs and cats as livestock so some local ethnic groups can cook up some cat burger.

What's next, cannibalism, because you know, we really need more renewable resources once HSUS has eliminated all animal uses.

All this time debating and you have been sleeping in class?
We have been over this time and again.

First, yes, anything we post here is our opinions, you also, or maybe you are shilling for those animal rights groups, not your ideas after all?
Thought so a few times ...

Do you really think that anyone caring for animals is an uncaring abuser if they don't follow animal rights extremists?
Animal rights extremists think so, they consider animals in human hands the equivalent of human slaves.

What is food, you ask?
Again, you really should know that what we eat is in large part culturally determined:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-eating-it-too

In some cultures and in times of short supplies, yes, even humans have been food for humans, even against cultural taboos.

The world and humans in it are, as they should, changing and with it our use of all resources, animals included.
In the future, we may not even have horses to pat, or care if we do.
Our food may come from a matter converter box that doesn't need but a generic blob to produce all we want, on demand.
Then, who knows, we may by then be so short of resources, or our cultures have changed so much, we may be eating humans, the ones that drew the short stick that month.

Just adding a bit of perspective for your thoughts.

[SarahHSUS]

Could you provide a link to where on our website we state any of this?

Also, we do on a daily basis, work with people to help keep their pets. Take a look at our Pets for Life program - we have clinics where people can come and get vaccinations for their animals for free, and food, and vet exams, for free. This is done because we know there are people out there who love their pets, but are falling on hard times, and we want to help them keep their pets.

Another example, in South Dakota, for the last two two weeks, our State Director worked with our affiliate, the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, vet care to pets on three South Dakota Indian reservation. The HSVMA rural area vet services program, has already scheduled 8 domestic, and 6 international trips for the summer season. The clinics provide basic health care services for dogs and cats including spay/neuter surgery, vaccination programs, parasite treatment and control programs, various soft tissue surgeries and urgent care issues. All of that to pet owners in those area, who then, get their pet back afterward.

Yet another example, is when we donated grain to farmers in NC, who were impacted by a horrible weather last year (I think it was tornadoes, but am not 100% sure).

As for owned pets - we're for them. We have ourselves are pet owners, and even bring dogs to the office. We are for adoption, or if you decide you don't want to adopt, purchasing your pet from a responsible breeder. (yes we promote adoption, because with all the homeless pets we think it's great to adopt and help save a life, but we also understand there are those that just don't want to, and we want those people to support a responsible breeder).

No, the definition of animal rights does have a legal definition and that states that all animals share the same rights: humans to 'animals.'
We can't own humans/slavery isn't legal and animal rights promotes 100% the end of animal ownership.

Heck, HSUS even states so right on their site.

Just because some people believe their media-whoring sensationalism targeted for the emotion driven supporter and not the forward thinker doesn't mean the warm fuzzies some people feel the HSUS promotes are real.

Try lobbying...actual lobbying. Meet some of these follks in person and listen to them talk. HSUS doesn't do diddly for animals in captivity because they don't agree with animal ownership. They will NOT aide any owned animals unless it involves removing those animals from ownership. They prefer euthanized to owned. But we can be guardians of them according to the HSUS...we can babysit our own animals and care for them only how the HSUS says we can.

But yes, the HSUS is 100% Animal Rights. And Animal Rights is 100% against animal ownership. Or how do they put it? Oh yeah, slavery.

[Bluey]

If we see confusion, we clarify it. Whether it be by contacting a newspaper and asking them to use our full name, to now adding disclaimers to our commercials, to individual interactions. Since you mentioned specific experiences your friends had, I'm curious, what they donated in response to, and what they were upset about specifically. We spend over 80% on program expenses, and have been rated 4 stars by Charity Navigator, as well as meet the 20 BBB standards, and more. We don't want people confused - it doesn't help us to have confused donors, or supporters.

Our members and supporters receive emails about the work we're doing, our CEO's blog, and are also sent the annual report, which gives a breakdown of what we did in the past year. Our website is updated frequently as well - on our home page right now for example, we have information about two big farm animal issues, information about an amendment about animal fighting, a rescue our Animal Rescue Team did, and a meatless Monday recipe. So while I am sorry that they were confused, I am not sure how.

Our commercials for example, feature footage from rescues and investigations that we do, which represent a lot of our work. I.E. a dogfighting bust that was done because of legislation that made the bust possible, and was in response to a tip we received through our tip line for dogfighting.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I honestly would like to know the specific instances where donors were upset, because it is good feedback to pass on.

In the age of the internet and google, I would be careful what I say as a representative of the biggest, richest non-profit out there.
It is so easy for anyone to fact check:

http://activistcash.com/organization...-united-states

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510

As a wise person told me eons ago, the HSUS would have been better not becoming a non-profit and so able to do what it wanted without direct scrutiny.
Yes, there are legal ways around how to determine where to put assets, it just would have been a bit easier not to have to be somewhat accountable.
I read somewhere that GuideStar had downgraded the HSUS lately?
My computer crashed a while ago and I lost my links.

[Fairfax]

rescue of healthy horses from slaughter
-rescue of injured, pregnant, old or sick horses from auctions
-rescue of underpriced at-risk horses on Craigslist and elsewhere
-euthanizing services
-reduced cost gelding services
-retraining sound horses for a new career
-rehoming sound, well-trained horses who have been marketed poorly


HSUS RARELY does any of the above. What they do is use rescues to take the horses, get the volunteers and provide the support money and then they have their representative take the camera time and ask for donations to HSUS to continue their salvation work.

HSUS put up $90,000 for the Canterbury case and stung the rescues with over $450,000 when they LOST. HSUS refuses to address the RICO charges down to the point they ignore them..totally...and instruct their fans to just say it was a misunderstanding...that little mistunderstanding is they were found guilty of paying a LIAR to lie about conditions.

The Canterbury case involved the HSUS agent and DEFHR FALSIFYING information to the crown prosecutor and the courts.

HSUS does NOT give any money to a gelding program. What they do is instruct OTHERS how to set it up.

HSUS does not train ANY HORSES nor do they have a facility for training. They do have farms using volunteers for the rescues and or seizures

HSUS is not documented to have placed even one horse...although they might have done a token camera placement for donations

You have farms you list that are not owned by you nor have you given them anything other than a "token" grant

Would you please respond to the following:

What do you say when there are 224 HS small animal and around 120 who also handle large animals and they regularly ask for their name to be included in the Humane Watch mail out and they clearly state they receive NOTHING from HSUS but the money given by people living in their communities to HSUS is acquired through misrepresentation?

What do you say to your "services and acreditation program" that charges up to Twenty Five Thousand Dollars (money they can ill afford) in order to learn how to operate fund raisers?

What do you say to the fact that the film was made in 2011 and you shopped it around through the wife of Wayne Pacelle who operates the Hollywood Branch. While you were shopping for the biggest financial buck for your story...think of how many horses suffered?

You had, as of 2010 a total of 52 lawyers on staff or "working out of office for you" and according to your IRS expenses very few worked pro bono. You have an expense account in the millions for your lobby groups in Washington D.E.

HSUS, like DEFHR gets a top rating for charitable foundations...OH WAIT...it is the one evaluation you do not have to disclose pension funds to nor the amount out of each dollar donated that actually goes towards animals..of any type.

Why has HSUS NEVER commented on the discovery by Parisio that the U of Davis Minimum Equine Care Standards was actually written by a HSUS employee and presented to the U of D to put under their banner..so it could be claimed (as U of D stated on their website) that it was the law...well...we discovered it was NOT THE LAW

How much money has HSUS Directly given to New Horizons and Shiloh....and would you care to explain who "owns" them and what their association with HSUS was and is?.....don't forget...when you were using DEFHR and their cofounder suddenly found himself a high paying position with HSUS....

Rather than just give generic answers and continue to use the Scientology techniques of "WE ARE A VICTIM HERE" MEANWHILE DEFLECTING ALL QUESTIONS....

Redemption and forgiveness are WONDERFUL attributes. Would you care to acknowledge the amount Mr. Vicks GAVE to HSUS as a "donation"...it is on his IRS form...nothing like buying yourself out of a sink hole...

Petie, Luvmytb's and Sarah...you can all have a go at it...I won't wait however for luvmytb's. She has a history of spouting off...demanding proof from others while refusing to answer any questions...

[Alagirl]

Could you provide a link to where on our website we state any of this?

Also, we do on a daily basis, work with people to help keep their pets. Take a look at our Pets for Life program - we have clinics where people can come and get vaccinations for their animals for free, and food, and vet exams, for free. This is done because we know there are people out there who love their pets, but are falling on hard times, and we want to help them keep their pets.

Another example, in South Dakota, for the last two two weeks, our State Director worked with our affiliate, the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, vet care to pets on three South Dakota Indian reservation. The HSVMA rural area vet services program, has already scheduled 8 domestic, and 6 international trips for the summer season. The clinics provide basic health care services for dogs and cats including spay/neuter surgery, vaccination programs, parasite treatment and control programs, various soft tissue surgeries and urgent care issues. All of that to pet owners in those area, who then, get their pet back afterward.

Yet another example, is when we donated grain to farmers in NC, who were impacted by a horrible weather last year (I think it was tornadoes, but am not 100% sure).

As for owned pets - we're for them. We have ourselves are pet owners, and even bring dogs to the office. We are for adoption, or if you decide you don't want to adopt, purchasing your pet from a responsible breeder. (yes we promote adoption, because with all the homeless pets we think it's great to adopt and help save a life, but we also understand there are those that just don't want to, and we want those people to support a responsible breeder).

How about you show us some numbers?

You know, silly stuff like money coming in, money spend on overhead, advertisement, self promotion vs actual programs, and yeah, shelters.

Broken down into uh, I am not picky, % or pie charts?


Oh, and explain this:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/2010/...it-stuns-hsus/

I know, you didn't like the messenger, but the law suit is public record, right?

And I think the results are in as well?

[MistyBlue]

Also please note that the HSUS folks will always mention dog and cock fighting endlessly...even when they have zero bearing on the current conversation...because they're told to use these (and other key-word issues) to evoke more emotional support by attempting to paint the non-supporters with an "abuse is okay with me" brush.

Point out the truth about HSUS? Well then you support dog fighting!

Yeah, because that's all they do. More like remove ownership of dogs from humans *and* promote a vegan lifestyle for the human AND the dogs.

Question to Sarah Barnett of HSUS
Why is Humane Choice manufactured in Uruguay?
"We sought a USDA-certified organic manufacturer with years of experience producing quality dog food, and facilities that met our safety, sanitary, and environmental expectations. The family-owned and -operated business in Uruguay we chose has been producing and exporting organic and vegetarian dog food for some years. The grains and vegetables used in Humane Choice are grown on the very same farms that the family has relied upon for half a century. The selection of such a partner means that we can supervise harvest, production, and packaging of Humane Choice in one location, through a single-source supplier committed to local, sustainable agriculture. This helps us to minimize our impact on the environment while maximizing control over the production of Humane Choice – from farm to food bowl."

Question to HSUS
What is the research the HSUS based a vegan diet on…to assure pets are not at risk from this type of diet?
"Over the past two years, we employed the services of a two different veterinary nutritionists, both members of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition, to evaluate the formula and ingredients as well as the specific forms of the vitamins and minerals used in Humane Choice to ensure that our food would meet all the requirements established by AAFCO for adult dogs. We also conducted numerous chemical analyses to verify that Humane Choice meets ALL AAFCO standards for a complete and balanced food. Finally, we conducted digestibility tests to ensure the digestibility. All test results were analyzed by our veterinary nutrition consultants."

Wow, TWO whole vets! Collect millions and then pay for a fluff study by only two vets.
And then outsource the product to Uruguay to save more of those incoming donations for themselves and lobbying to remove ownership/slavery of animals.

And I'm not even going to spoon-feed the rest of it out...but there's a whole lotta dirt on their Uruguay connections and vegan pet food plans.

Sarah, since you're being chatty...I only have one question:

Does the HSUS lobby, promote or believe in Animal Rights?

Straight forward question...yes or no. And please, no spin on cock or dog fighting. I don't support either and no Animal Welfare supporter does.

[bambam]

- it doesn't help us to have confused donors, or supporters.

of course it does- as has been pointed out in numerous posts
the confusion is that many believe HSUS spends money on actual animal care and/or that it is some kind of umbrella organization for their local humane societies. They believe their money goes to actual shelters- not lobbying and lawsuits and Wayne Pacelle's tanning regimen.
People donating to HSUS often think that they are donating to animale welfare goals and do not realize that they are donating to an animal rights organization. I have asked people who say they support HSUS questions about what they think it does for years and, outside of COTH, I have yet to find one that knew it spends less than 1% of its budget on animal shelters.
Yes, people should do their due diligence to determine the agenda of any organization they give to, but your claims that HSUS does not want let alone foster any misunderstanding of their activities rings false and disingenuous.
Can you please tell me SarahHSUS where the disclaimer is in that commercial currently running on TV with the voice over of Wendy Malick and what the disclaimer is? Does it state that the $19 a month it solicits does not actually pay for any animal care or a shelter?
One thing I have not looked up that I would like to know is how many board members and officers do HSUS and PETA have in common?

[Fairfax]

Could you provide a link to where on our website we state any of this?

Also, we do on a daily basis, work with people to help keep their pets. Take a look at our Pets for Life program - we have clinics where people can come and get vaccinations for their animals for free, and food, and vet exams, for free. This is done because we know there are people out there who love their pets, but are falling on hard times, and we want to help them keep their pets.

Another example, in South Dakota, for the last two two weeks, our State Director worked with our affiliate, the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, vet care to pets on three South Dakota Indian reservation. The HSVMA rural area vet services program, has already scheduled 8 domestic, and 6 international trips for the summer season. The clinics provide basic health care services for dogs and cats including spay/neuter surgery, vaccination programs, parasite treatment and control programs, various soft tissue surgeries and urgent care issues. All of that to pet owners in those area, who then, get their pet back afterward.

Yet another example, is when we donated grain to farmers in NC, who were impacted by a horrible weather last year (I think it was tornadoes, but am not 100% sure).

As for owned pets - we're for them. We have ourselves are pet owners, and even bring dogs to the office. We are for adoption, or if you decide you don't want to adopt, purchasing your pet from a responsible breeder. (yes we promote adoption, because with all the homeless pets we think it's great to adopt and help save a life, but we also understand there are those that just don't want to, and we want those people to support a responsible breeder).

Over 167 native reserves were reported to AC groups for staring horses and cattle and other livestock. I don't think those starving and or dead animals care one hoot if you take your pet to work...HSUS REFUSED TO BECOME INVOLVED IN THE PROSECUTION OF ANY NATIVE GROUP.

Clinics you "sponsor" are actually paid for by the "hosting" HS and yet you take most of the donations.

Pets for Life FREE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry..I was choking on that one. The clinic sponsoring pays for it. They receive NO MONEY from HSUS. NADA...zippo ...

By the way...when you were asked in South Dakota to provide free spaying for the native dogs ....care to share with us your answer? Be VERY VERY CAREFUL...

The only time HSUS has any involvement is when they see a dollar in it for them.

Again..Humane Watch actually gets more money to local H.S. chapters than your group has ever given.

[Bluey]

Could you provide a link to where on our website we state any of this?

Also, we do on a daily basis, work with people to help keep their pets. Take a look at our Pets for Life program - we have clinics where people can come and get vaccinations for their animals for free, and food, and vet exams, for free. This is done because we know there are people out there who love their pets, but are falling on hard times, and we want to help them keep their pets.

Another example, in South Dakota, for the last two two weeks, our State Director worked with our affiliate, the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, vet care to pets on three South Dakota Indian reservation. The HSVMA rural area vet services program, has already scheduled 8 domestic, and 6 international trips for the summer season. The clinics provide basic health care services for dogs and cats including spay/neuter surgery, vaccination programs, parasite treatment and control programs, various soft tissue surgeries and urgent care issues. All of that to pet owners in those area, who then, get their pet back afterward.

Yet another example, is when we donated grain to farmers in NC, who were impacted by a horrible weather last year (I think it was tornadoes, but am not 100% sure).

As for owned pets - we're for them. We have ourselves are pet owners, and even bring dogs to the office. We are for adoption, or if you decide you don't want to adopt, purchasing your pet from a responsible breeder. (yes we promote adoption, because with all the homeless pets we think it's great to adopt and help save a life, but we also understand there are those that just don't want to, and we want those people to support a responsible breeder).

Window dressing is all that is.
I know of rescue people that had cases that made the news big time tell me, as it was happening, how the HSUS came in and hogged the press and donations and wanted to make them jump thru all kinds of hoops, sign over the rights to the stories and key animals for HSUS publicity, etc.

Not at all the benevolent benefactor you present there, but some coming in to get their cut of the action to gain more, the animals and people already trying their best with meager resources given a pittance and/or cheated with promises of one.

Their stories are out there, you can find them by following your own trail of where you supposedly went in to "help".
The HSUS doesn't seem to very readily "give" anything without taking way more for itself. Not impressed with your side of how helpful you, the HSUS is.

[MistyBlue]

Could you provide a link to where on our website we state any of this?

Post #229 on this thread. Other than that in the last 5 years you've been sanitizing the wording on your site, but it's been there in black and white in the past too.

HSUS isn't the only lobbyist on this thread. Some of us have been, in person, at events and meetings and findraisers, et al and have heard in person what HSUS officers say. HSUS is Animal Rights.

Can you please tell me SarahHSUS where the disclaimer is in that commercial currently running on TV with the voice over of Wendy Malick and what the disclaimer is? Does it state that the $19 a month it solicits does not actually pay for any animal care or a shelter?
One thing I have not looked up that I would like to know is how many board members and officers do HSUS and PETA have in common?

All great questions...not that you'll answer them. No need to have the general public see the actuality, right?

HSUS is the animal right's version of As Seen On TV. We'll dance around the truth all day long, show sensational images specifically chosen to mislead and let that income roll in.

Keep showing commercials of shelter animals. Works a LOT better than saying, "Your donations are largely for lobbying to remove Animal Slavery and to promote Veganism."

So how many empployees have you shared from PETA? How about ALF?

[SarahHSUS]

We're not affiliated - we're two different organizations. We have some staff that used to work there, but that's about it. Now, if participating in Meatless Monday makes us PETA, then you may need to send that memo to AARP (also promotes meatless monday recipes), Sodexo, Johns Hopkins University,Huffington Post Green, and many, many others.
Just sayin'

SARAHSUS why doesn't come clean about it's associations with PETA, direct and indirect?




You have to be kidding?

[hurleycane]

@ Sara & Jen - Thank you for posting in the fray and keep em coming. I would like to say that is one of the reasons I read COTH. Despite the ridicule and snark, it also occasionally brings word from the horse's mouth so to speak.

@ Fairfax - You must have had one bad experience after another with HSUS. Ever take them to court yourself?

[foggybok]

Bold text is mine, plain is Sarah


Since you responded directly to me, I will answer some of this...

If we see confusion, we clarify it. Whether it be by contacting a newspaper and asking them to use our full name, to now adding disclaimers to our commercials, to individual interactions.

This is laughable, since as you well know, it is the full name of HSUS that is most misleading. People associate the name with their local humane society and think that giving to you means giving to them....and before you say you are, I mean more than the very small percentage of your donations that actually go directly to shelters....... As far as disclaimers, we all know that a small disclaimer often doesn't do the job....


Since you mentioned specific experiences your friends had, I'm curious, what they donated in response to, and what they were upset about specifically.

As already stated, most often, they think they are supporting shelters, but you know this....and HSUS knows this, or they wouldn't craft their advertisements and mailers to suggest it..... So I tell people, if you want to support the shelters, then give direct, if you want to support the whole HSUS agenda, go ahead and do it, just be aware of what it is....



We spend over 80% on program expenses, and have been rated 4 stars by Charity Navigator, as well as meet the 20 BBB standards, and more. We don't want people confused - it doesn't help us to have confused donors, or supporters.

yeah right....

Our members and supporters receive emails about the work we're doing, our CEO's blog, and are also sent the annual report, which gives a breakdown of what we did in the past year. Our website is updated frequently as well - on our home page right now for example, we have information about two big farm animal issues, information about an amendment about animal fighting, a rescue our Animal Rescue Team did, and a meatless Monday recipe. So while I am sorry that they were confused, I am not sure how.

You are a professional in communications, so I'm pretty sure you know exactly how people are confused....This is also "not trying to be disrespectful", but I do know a bit about corporate communications...


Our commercials for example, feature footage from rescues and investigations that we do, which represent a lot of our work. I.E. a dogfighting bust that was done because of legislation that made the bust possible, and was in response to a tip we received through our tip line for dogfighting.


I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I honestly would like to know the specific instances where donors were upset, because it is good feedback to pass on.

I'm guessing my comments are nothing new to you.... And I think the number of other posters chiming in with examples explains the problem in great detail.....

[7HL]

We're not affiliated - we're two different organizations. We have some staff that used to work there, but that's about it. Now, if participating in Meatless Monday makes us PETA, then you may need to send that memo to AARP (also promotes meatless monday recipes), Sodexo, Johns Hopkins University,Huffington Post Green, and many, many others.
Just sayin'

Some staff.

Or I could support the real P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals

[7HL]

Sara HSUS... Do you ride? How many horses do you own?

[Alagirl]

Sara HSUS... Do you ride? How many horses do you own?

I settle for dogs or cats. And how they fair on a vegan diet

[AlterNetReality]

our CEO's blog, and are also sent the annual report, which gives a breakdown of what we did in the past year. Our website is updated frequently as well - on our home page right now for example, we have information about two big farm animal issues, information about an amendment about animal fighting,

You mean Wayne's blog post from yesterday about SB1221 in California banning the hunting of wildlife using dogs? Hmmm. Using bobcats and other mountain varmints to pass a ban on foxhunting? Hmmm. That's kind of dishonest...

[AlterNetReality]

PS. I like you, you've got pluck to come back and be COTH's favorite chew toy

[Alagirl]

Some staff.

Or I could support the real P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals

I am hungry now. Pass the bacon pls.