Va-I have also seen that done by a very experienced rider. The mare had gotten very aggressive(like she'd attack people because another trainer thought he could work her into submission). She would bolt, rear, etc. The rider took her on a hill, she reared, he flipped her. She never did it again. I would use this method only as the absolute last resort and you wouldn't see me doing it
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I started reading this topic and was all set to reply but as I read through it, it dawned on me that there are some really good posters here on the COTH BB. While some mention ruling out pain, etc. first...others offer some great (tried and true) experiences in their advice. It is a well rounded "conversation" as most serious topics are. I really don't have anything I can add except that you guys are a great "think tank" and we are lucky to have such a helpful, intelligent, experienced group of "advisors" to go to for brain picking! GOOD JOB, EVERYONE!!!
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I've got one who rears. For him, its a fear of being reprimanded when he's fresh. He rears if he anticipates being pulled up hard. By correcting a spook by bending him away from whatever is bothering him, I have minimized his desire to rear. When he does rear out of fear, I try to reassure him rather than reprimand him. Its been more productive for this particular horse than beating him... I get the feeling he's seen enough of that to last a lifetime already.
Horses like this one rear to evade the rider out of base fear. That's always a good clue that it might be time to re-evaluate how you ride/treat the horse. Rearing is evading the rider, so if the horse rears figuring out what triggers it is the best way to decide on a course of action. If the horse rears because it can and he/she may be able to dislodge the rider, one may want to consider reprimanding the horse in a way that reinforces who is dominate in the relationship. Just my $0.02 or $0.08, depending on Greenspan's plan for the economy.
Second thought on the matter- a baggie of warm water broken open over the horses head when he rears will work even better than an egg. The temperature of the water makes them thinks they're bleeding and will scare the daylights out of the horse. I wouldn't recommend it unless the horse rears with malice.
My method has been mentioned a lot before. I do the stick inbetween the poll thing. Except I used a stick that when you fling it, it does not bend. When they land, grab one rein up by the bit and let go of the other and just pull on it until s<he> settles.
My tb that I used to own reared straight up and fell over, luckly sending me flying off his butt and like 3 feet to the other side of him when he landed.
You really should be able to feel when your horse is sucking back behind your leg. When you feel that just do a 10 meter circle. Then go back to what you were doing.
I was told by an event trainer<Lynn Cotes Holmes> that you should be able to change your horse's mind when he feels like hes' going to blow up.
My tb almost hung me in an apple tree, he backed up and would not go forward if I looped the reins, kicked him or even used the whip on him.... then she came over and yanked the reins out of my hand and then got me untangled from the branches of the apple tree and told me to get off him and she got on him. Granted, she had a set of legs that could squish the largest pumpkin... he would not even think of going up again.
so, all in all, a horse can not rear if he is going forward and a horse can not buck if s<he> is going forward
what can help with the quickness and aim (to reduce chances of striking the eye) is to carry the crop inverted like a jockey. This places the crop end closer to where you want to use it reducing swing distence & preventing the horse from seeing it coming and twisting away. It also prevents you from hitting too hard in temper, making it a correction, not an abuse.
someone said that the crack on the poll only works a few times... probably if you get it hard and sharp the first one or two times, the message will go through completely and the horse will decide never to rear again. unless its a really consistent rearer.
I hate rearers, I've only been on one once, and I hope to never encounter one again, it gets quite frustrating.
I have a question...VTRider said that when she felt him go to rear she would dig her left spur in and pull him in a tight circle. I agree that this would work. Let's say though you aren't expecting a rear and the horse does rear. You go to pull him in a tight circle, while jabbing him in the ribs. Would this not cause him to fall over and possible seriously injurying the rider??
I only ask because I am thinking of movies where they make the horses fall down. The horse appears to do a half-hearted rear and the rider pulls the horses head and down go the horse and rider.
On green horses, I would try the egg thing. But if they are older and they are still rearing, I believe that the crop thing does the job. I first tried it on a friends horse, and his front legs haven't left the ground like that ever since. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
the trick about the hill is brilliant but...I would never have been able to do it because if (big if) you don't get out of way you are squished .Let me caution anyone with this problem unless you are very accomplished as a rider DO NOT tRY any of theses methods rearing has hurt crippled many people .
Coco-you mentioned that your horse would rear as you lead her...what I would suggest, if the rear is in malice, is to pull her over sideways. You don't want o do it directly backward, you could break her back! To do this properly you have to be slightly behind her head, like at the shoulder area. And when she goes up let her go as far up as she wants to and then pull her over. Once you have her on the ground sit on her neck right behind her head. This prevents her from getting back up. Sit on her for awhile to get your point across. What you're doing is a dominance reassertion. The horse is thinking while on the ground that you have the ultimate power over it's fate. You'll see stallions in the wild pin down a herd member the same way. I know that this sounds cruel, but I have done it a couple times with great success.
Now if the mare is rearing out of fear or pain, I would just let the mare rear all the while reassuring her. Then you just have to desensitize her of whatever is scaring her.
Disclaimer: I only recommend the first method if the horse is truley being malicious. Oh, and once the horse starts falling, get the heck out of the way!
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Are all wonderful ideas and I've been told (never seen it done) numerous times it works.
One problem - to use the egg, baggie, whatever means you are getting on a horse with the expectation it will rear. IOW you have previously ridden this horse and it reared and you didn't fix it the first time.
That's why I like the keep em moving forward, sideways, cirlces (whatever given the situation) method. It can be used when you are on one you don't expect to rear or on a greenie who you have no idea if it will rear (hence you didn't bring your egg).
The bottom line is - anyone who rides strange horses or works with greenies should at least be a little prepared with how to deal with a rear. If you don't know how to correct it then my advice is simple. GET OFF the horse after the first rear and find a pro to deal with it.
It's one of those situation where it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP or you end up with a dedicated rearer.