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    I tried to tell some juniors in our barn about that streaker incident recently, and they didn't believe it! Horse shows are so boring now! I was always told that the "prankster" was Richard Zimmerman...true? false?



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    I was in the audience the night the streaker appeared at the Washington International. He was wearing jodphur boots in addition to the pumpkin on his head. The Chronicle reported the next week that it was Charlie Weaver and that he collected $700 or $800 from the riders who dared him to do it.



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    Tips on winning the grooms class at OxRidge-
    (Sorry I can't remember when I did, but I did judge it as well)
    1. Feed the horse properly -99% of the trick
    2. Groom the horse properly -less baths! more curry comb!
    3. Keep them covered-that Florida sun burns them too - careful with long turnouts
    4. Proper worming, vaccinations, shoeing...
    5. Keep them fit.
    6. Lots of carrots, love and kisses
    7. When you get to OxRidge all you should need is a regular grooming and a quick buff of your tack.
    8. Tack up the horse correctly. You CAN'T imagine how many grooms have the tack on wrong.



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    CINDY PARKER we need more info on you we (Abby and I ) can't figure out how we know you. I worked with Dana and I didn't even spell her last night correctly and you did. EMAIL me DOLCEVITA1999@AOL.COM



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    Dana's name was in an article I kept from years ago, maybe early 1980 era. Practical Horseman (sorry to the chroncile). She was braiding. I still show it to my students. No mystery.
    Nice to get answers as to where people are. It is not nice to know few are still in the grooming business. No money, no glory and nobody cares.



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    O.K. Here's the REAL scoop on the Washingtion streaker.

    It happened after the jumping competition of the regular conformation hunter appointments. Andy(with work boots on his feet and a pumpkin on his head) rode a grey jumper donated for the event by a game trainer.

    The original plan was to gallop around the ring but when Andy got in the ring, with all the conformation horses lined up for conformation and appointments, he had no choice but to jump around the ring.

    Andy's horse (Stocking Stuffer) was in the line up with Charlie Weaver aboard.

    The whole thing was expertly planned. Andy was escorted out of the men's room wrapped in a cooler. The grey horse awaited at the in gate. The person who gave him a leg up on the horse instructed Seaweed (who was the gate person even way back then), to open the gate and the rest is history.

    Poor "H" (Howard LeBove was the started, now deceased), had no idea what was up.

    The whole thing was over before the horses came out of the ring with their ribbons and Andy was there to catch his horse.

    Those are the facts of one of the funniest things that ever happened at a horse show.

    And yes, some of the riders did wear masks. I know RJ wore a Nixon mask, I believe Leslie also participated in costume.

    Now if anyone can remember who won, they would be the trivia winner.

    And speaking of Washington, does anyone remember Kim Song's retirement party?



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    After consultation with another old timer, we conclude the prank took place in 1973ish.

    I know someone who has a picture of Andy jumping around the ring that night in his birthday suit.



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    The Devon Horse Show has a photo of the WIHS streaker. I believe it is not easy accessible to the public, but I know it is there. WIHS memories-The armory!Galoubet jumping out of his skin!Junior hunter breaking leg - Rumors? Insilco! Having a horse "on the Team" was a big thing. There used to be arabians and morgans too. The Bud Hitch going upside down. The costume class was priceless. Too bad it got perverted.



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    Does anyone remember when Michael Sasso took Dillon to a nightclub during New York? Was that a rumor or was it actually true... something about the horse on the elevator???
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    Emmet, Thanks for not only the answer to my question but the great behind-the-scenes visuals. I guess Andy set the standard for grooms as far as most memoriable goes. But also, Stocking Stuffer was always turned out to perfection. [He was Regular Conformation Hunter Champion at Washington in '74-'75 and again in '77-'78.]

    Who has that photo? Let's get them to post it! Just for old-times sake.

    Could be wrong, but was the winner, Automation? Or was it Sir Thompson?



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    Stocking Stuffer showing and winning consistantly in the Regulars for all those years!!!!!!The old time grooms also must have known how to keep their horses sound longer or maybe the horse shows today are just different but it seems you just don't see the same horses sound and winning for too many years.

    [This message has been edited by MB Stark (edited 02-01-2000).]



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    I was only 16 at the time of the "streaker" incident...but for all these years I've thought it was Richard Zimmerman! Does anyone know the whereabouts of Joan who groomed for Cismont? Atlanta? Perhaps we need to start a thread for old horse show memorabilia - the drop bank in the Upperville hunter classic?



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    Cindy, thank you for that post, having announced that class for the last 13 year's I've always wondered how they could pick the winner, to me, while there were some mistakes by grooms(tack not adjusted, something dirty, whatever) again in my opinion, there were so many wonderfully turned out animals the judges were pinning the best of the best, without much difference between them. Agree? Disagree? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cindy Parker:
    Tips on winning the grooms class at OxRidge-
    (Sorry I can't remember when I did, but I did judge it as well)
    1. Feed the horse properly -99% of the trick
    2. Groom the horse properly -less baths! more curry comb!
    3. Keep them covered-that Florida sun burns them too - careful with long turnouts
    4. Proper worming, vaccinations, shoeing...
    5. Keep them fit.
    6. Lots of carrots, love and kisses
    7. When you get to OxRidge all you should need is a regular grooming and a quick buff of your tack.
    8. Tack up the horse correctly. You CAN'T imagine how many grooms have the tack on wrong.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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    Wow, I'm really loving this thread...the old armory at Washington, does anyone remember the jailbreak from the prison across the street? 3 or 4 escapee's with police following , right on thru and right on out, or when Nixon was going to attend the President's Cup, John Ammerman had set up his electronic timers, and DISPLAY clocks. Turns out one of the clocks was directly under the spot where Nixon would sit, and the secret service on the pre visit search freaked when they saw it. J.A. says"....hey take it apart if you want..it's just a clock..." A secret serviceman replied..."NO, YOU'LL TAKE IT APART< NOW!>>>" How about the filming of THE HORSE WITH THE FLYING TAIL??? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maggie:
    The Devon Horse Show has a photo of the WIHS streaker. I believe it is not easy accessible to the public, but I know it is there. WIHS memories-The armory!Galoubet jumping out of his skin!Junior hunter breaking leg - Rumors? Insilco! Having a horse "on the Team" was a big thing. There used to be arabians and morgans too. The Bud Hitch going upside down. The costume class was priceless. Too bad it got perverted.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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    back again, let me know if i become annoying, on this thread, or anytime for that matter, anyway I had an idea I'd like to run past you .... could someone help me out by conducting a poll for me? Or keeping track of it right here ..... I am under the impression that a majority of grooms are underpaid, and sometimes poorly housed and not covered medically? Am I correct in this assumption? Or,am I way off base. You are making a good wage, and have good living conditions etc. any ideas? I'd love to get the average wage of say 50 grooms from a variety of stables, and what benefits they might receive, their housing situation is? Travel situation? Avg hours worked per day? Wage? Aninimity, did I spell that right is important......but the info would make for a wonderful section one week on the homepage. THOUGHTS?



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    KK- Many folks would watched the ORHC grooms class and never understood the results... I was always amazed how often the really beautifully turned-out horses had their tack on wrong - or simple stuff that meant missing out on thousands of dollars! Basic stuff. Loose straps, no billet guards (or not used), ripped rubber on girths, 3-fold girth on backwards(!), missing keepers, stirrups hanging down (dangerous!), dirty noses, dirty tail docks, too much "show sheen", dirty ears, the list is endless. And, if you have to do a big production just to get to the grooms class, you are probably a crappy groom.
    I remember lots of the best never got to do the grooms class, because they had the first class and their job was more important! Or... we had one in the whirlpool, or in "the boots", or on the longe line, or it simply needed extra care in the morning. And of course, the BEST wouldn't be at ORHC anyhow - they would be home with the lay-ups who need the best care of all. Or the broodmares, or the stallions, or the weanlings... No time to be worrying about some grooms class when there's REAL horse care to do---
    Gotta go. I have one ultra-sound to do and a hand-walk....



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    Year after year people asked me why I didn't do the grooms class at Ox Ridge, especially when I had French Leave. One year I had him Jimmy Lee judged, everyone was amazed I didn't do it, they felt I had it in a walk. Jimmy's favorite horse, owners, etc. My answer was ALWAYS the same, "I DON'T HAVE TIME!" At the time I was one of the few remaining grooms that did their own braiding, always had 3 or 4 showing that morning. There was just no way... To bad, I always wanted to do it.



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    Does anyone know what Mary and Joe are doing? The last year I was in Fla. they were working for Paul, whose last name I can't begin to spell. He rides with Leslie. I have a feeling you guys are on line. Let us know where you are!



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    Joe works for Dandy products at least he did last year in Florida. I talked to him then..



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    What do you mean by "Dream Team Grooms?"



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