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  1. #41
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>George, a former judge, says he would "absolutely" take points from the heavier rider if two people were equally skilled in competition. ... Later, George tells me, "I hope you don't water down my quotes like you people do, soften it up and whitewash it..." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You know, I'd bet good money that if the above was indeed a direct quote from George, then he most likely said it in good humor...knowing the "reputation" he has out there.

    I must admit, I'm now curious to read the article. I checked out the magainze when it first came out, thought it was...umm, "crappy", and never picked up another copy again. BTW, isn't the magazine named after Jane-something...she used to have a tv talk show?
    "fighting stupidity; one step at a time" -- a wise COTHer



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heelsdown:
    Oh, go ahead and raise that schooling fence a little higher, use a metal pole for the top rail, it'll teach your horse to be more careful when he nicks it. Of course it MAY be the last think he ever does, poor bugger, gee, he was nice horse, just didn't learn his lesson..... DOA<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Lets NOT go there again! That whole incident was blown way out of porportion back then, mostly by people who didn't have all the facts. Those who know GM knew how devastated he was, and yes, it was a freak accident.
    "fighting stupidity; one step at a time" -- a wise COTHer



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    Being your typical idealistic-to-the-end teenager who argues well, and enjoys it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img], I can see both sides of the coin. So I'm going to play devil's advocate.

    If you're going to show in hunters, then you obviously know that it IS subjective and there is a chance that you will be marked down if you don't fit the perfect picture. Regardless of whether that is right, when you reach the pinacles of a sport the differences become minute and the little things mean the difference between first and middle of the pack.

    If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Or, do something about it other than unproductively moaning.

    I also feel that it's important to treat both horse and rider as athletes. No sensible horseperson would consider giving their horse a hard workout without some sort of warm-up routine, many times a highly detailed one. Yet how many riders even bother to stretch before climbing aboard? Not to mention diet (horse gets carefully balanced grub with a mix of vitamins, supplements, daily wormer, etc. while rider munches day-old pizza or greasy french fries...anyone else see a problem here?).

    This train of thought leads me to agree with George Morris. However, I don't think of it in pounds so much as in fitness levels. An unfit rider is as destructive and dangerous as an unfit horse. And I don't care whether that unfit rider is fat or skinny. It's just plain unfair to the horse.

    I think it boils down to YOU being fit enough for the job at hand, and is an issue of individual responsibility. If you are a heavier body type, so long as you have the body control and stamina to *help* your horse do his job, then more power to you. At the same time, I hope these riders are especially aware of the importance of saddle fit, conditioning of their mount, and other horse care to keep the horse healthy and happily performing. Because, regardless of where you stand on any single issue, that's the ultimate goal.

    So, how'd I do? George Jr. or what? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]



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    Magnolia - Great email to Jane. You could not have said it any better.

    I have noticed an increasing trend amoung juniors to be extra skinny for the Eq. I hope their is little truth in this article, but I doubt what truth there is applies just to riding. The wafe models are everywhere and the pressure to be super skinny is there whether you ride or not. I would be interested if anyone knows of any real studies on eating disorders and riding vs. the regular female population. I doubt the numbers for riding are much different that the numbers for the regular female population.



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    ANNOYED with that E-mag. Looks like someone trying so hard to be cool and "fit in" that it just looks pathetic...
    Anybody else turned off by the "humor"?
    As for the article, I havent read it.
    Speaking from personal experience, I have never been too "small" in fact, I often joke that I left the womb at least 5'
    I've put on some...ugh...extra luggage since college and it does bother me, but I still think i'm a great, effective rider...lard-@$$ or not.
    I agree with whomever said "Whoever is binging and purging is NOT enjoying themselves"
    I can speak from very strange personal experience...I've been called bulemic from more doctors than I could shake a stick at because I suffer from a VERY strange malady that involves SEVERE acid reflux (yep, I've tried all the meds...) and um...this is gross...
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    regurgitation of about 60% of my food.
    Every new doctor tries to convince me to see a shrink instead of a gastro specialist.
    I'm sure more than a few of the people reading this know that throwing up is UNGLAMOROUS, disgusting and can ruin your teeth, ruin your esophogus and lead to cancer.
    Alright, looks like I've wandered off course with this...
    Anyhow...I'd like to read the article, but I wont give them the satisfaction of banking my 3 bucks.
    JMHO...
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    Fairweather...there is a condition that causes you to regurgitate your food...like alot of food...I know someone who has it, and there is an operation to fix it but apparantly it is very risky. My dad is a doctor he was telling me about it. Have you seen a specialist? I know that it is very unpleasant and awkward for the person I know who suffers from it.



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    Getting mind off terror...
    Fairweather-
    See a homeopath, or naturopath about your acid reflux...certain herbs and lifestyle changes can help. I cured my problem by:
    1. eating a light dinner, and eating nothing ofr @ 2 hours before bed.
    2. Sleep on my right side
    3. watch the booze & chocolate
    4. Drink aloe juice daily.

    Ride it Like You Stole It...
    The witchy witch witch of south central NC.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Delighted:
    Email me and I'll get a copy of it to you? I don't think I can post it, but I can probably email copious amounts of "quotes" to you if you want.

    -Another poor college student looking for something to do tonight instead of studying


    And, ETBW - Why, why, WHY can't I show in Virginia?! Argh - down here we have Cheez-its and lukewarm Mt Dew on a good day! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Please E-mail a copy to webmaster@catchride.com

    Thanks!

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    Strapping George Morris down, and force-feeding him like a goose for foie gras, until he weighs 300 lbs....

    please raise your hands, or alternatively, shake your ghetto booties.



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    Please email me a copy of the article.

    bfox@es.com

    Thank you! I tried to get it here in Utah and they don't have the October issue out yet.



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    Can someone please send me a copy of the article
    shluchan@drew.edu

    Ag - I actually recieved an email asking to INTERVIEW me for the article. B/c I don't like JANE and refuse to support that sort of magazine - I politely declined.

    Please please email me so I can see exactly what sort of BS they are swinging here~

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    THIS IS SICK.

    As someone who's been called anorexic a thousand times, I present this from that standpoint. You don't need a specific body type to be a good person/rider, whatever. These magazines are supposed to be promoting self-esteem for girls, and I just find it tiring that they keep promoting the bad parts of every industry. I work in the media, and in terms of eating disorders, if it's not fashion models, it's gymnasts, if it's not gymnasts it's riders, and if it's not that it's crazy parents of beauty-pageant girls.
    Upon reading the article I can see where it's coming from. I've got a few friends with anorexia and it can get scary. I DO believe in promoting awareness of this - so I'll admit that this article had a purpose, and the sources were all credible. These aren't backyard trainers, they're George Morris and Allen Balch and so forth. However, what I don't like is the way they promoted it.

    Send me a copy. Trixie@erols.com

    [This message was edited by Trixie on Sep. 12, 2001 at 01:15 AM.]
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    Could someone send me a copy too? I can't seem to find the magazine anywhere. Thanks! seseidman@yahoo.com



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    I'm a readaholic so I read EVERYTHING... including Jane. I'd categorize it as the most schizophrenic of women's magazines... it has a flashy editor with "edge" who nonetheless works for a major publisher and accepts ads promoting the inescapable, impossibly thin image they decry in many of their articles. However they DO try to put in as many empowering articles as they can without offending the advertisers... and they don't mind offending/titillating the readers at all. Some of the headlines they put on the letters to the editors are laugh out loud funny and more sarcastic than any British head groom. However, don't leave it lying around where your 12 year old will get to it... they'll get more of an education than you may like them to have!



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    Please send me the article too at jenaddis27@hotmail.com
    Whoah-oh Black Betty BamaLam



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    We don't have to binge and purge, we just get lipoed. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Actually, this is crazy and not true...of all horse sports. Maybe there are some that have certain groups that do it, but in all my years in eventing and dressage I've never seen it. (Hmmm...if you can only be skinny, how come the bigger sizes in breeches are often the most popular sellers??) Seems to me this magazine is a crock.

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    SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR JANE IS ON THIS BB. THAT'S NOT TOO HARD TO FIGURE OUT!



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    I haven't read the article. Perhaps I will while in line at the grocery store tonight.

    Is it presumptious of me to think it might be tongue in cheek?
    **Before you can be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid.**



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    Someone said they WISHED they could fit into 26 TS breeches. Now, do TS (I'm a DQ so I don't know) fit differently? Most of my breeches are 26s and I'm 5'7-1/4" and around 135-140 - not overweight, but hardly emaciated (I would like to lose a few lbs, but I'd still wear a 26). If size 26 in breeches is the ideal, then I think there are even fewer purging and binging types out there - no need!



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    I think this article is very wrong.. about a lot of factual stuff. If they thing 350$ is a lot for breeches, boots, chaps (which i'm not sure why you need at a show), and a jacket, they are out of their mind. I hope someone mails them a copy of the thread, I am going to be writing them and tell them my mind.

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