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    Default Tell me about your experiences with food allergies in dogs please.

    I was wanting to hear how symptoms for food allergies manifest in dogs from people who have dogs with food allergies. I'm asking because a vet at my local vet practice suggested putting my dog on food for allergies this AM and I'm not sure I'm buying it to be honest. I had never used this vet and the only thing he did diagnostically was take my dogs temp and check his gums. For history and more on the visit, read below. Thanks.

    My JRT has had incidents, usually on a weekend or holiday, where his stomach is hurting him so much he hides, curled up in a ball and shakes. His stomach feels rigid at these times, and his gums sometimes get pale, but he doesn't throw up. I have called the vets to bring him in during these times and they, apparently not wanting to go in on a weekend, have just told me to give him kaeopectate and see if he's better hours later. He usually is either with or without kaeopectate, but these incidents happen once or twice a month, so I want the vet to actually check him out. Tanner had another incident this morning so I took him straight to the vet's office. The vet came in and I told him what had been happening and how often and that I had tried to bring him in prior, but the other vet said to give him kaeopectate and wait. This vet took Tanner's temp and said it was 103.something and that his gums were a little dry and sticky, but that he was fine, it was probably just a stomach ache and the only thing he would suggest is putting Tanner on Science Diet prescription for allergies. what??? Then the vet started telling me that I needed to probably just get Tanner on a better quality of food, not that he knew what I was feeding him (not my normal vet at this practice). I told the vet that I had Tanner on Fromm currently because his other food had been on the recall and I was not feeding him Science Diet. He asked why no SD and I said that I'm not feeding my dog corn. The vet went on condescendingly about how he knows that there are things on the internet that say corn is bad, but it's not bad for ALL animals, so feeding it is fine. He then went on to recommend, again Science Diet prescription, and added Eukanuba prescription and Purina prescription and waited, I'm assuming for me to pick which one I wanted. He even went to the back and brought out the ingredient list for the SD where the 3rd ingredient is corn. The vet then went on to tell me, as if I were a child, I'm suprised he didn't draw pictures, about "novel proteins". Yes, he used hand quotes. I said that I knew what novel proteins were and that is what my dogs were eating. He didn't seem to notice that I had spoken and went on all wide-eyed and golly gee about how you could get "venison and bison, or wow-wee, even kangaroo, FOR YOUR DOG!!!!!". At that point I said thank you for the consult, I will let you know if I decide to try a prescription, if I do, I would probably like to try Royal Canin's version, and could I also get my dog's flea pill. Then he started telling me that flea pills and heartworm pills and other medicines used flavoring and I probably shouldn't give those either with Tanner's possible non-existent food allergies. In the end he gave me an antibiotic to give for 6 days and a flea pill and I was told to get a prescription food and feed him only that for 8 weeks and see if it helped.

    Am I wrong in thinking that if my dog had food allergies he would have symptoms more often than 1-2 times a month? Wouldn't he also have skin issues or itching because of it?
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    My late GSD had wicked food allergies, and you're right: Itching and skin issues were the big symptoms. He was sickly in general, well beyond skin-related ailments, such that his recovery when we got him a diet that agreed with him was stunning... Weight gain, energy gain, beautiful lush coat, healthy pink skin... Different dog.

    Does your dog tend to have gas? Does the particular food you're feeding contain any type of grain?

    That would be my first start. Grain often = gas, and based on your post, it sounds like pup has a painfully gassy belly.
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    You can order a food intolerance/sensitivity test from Dr Dodds and cut out all the trying this or that foods. The breeder of my dog did this for one of the dogs she kept from the litter and learned a LOT! She was surprised at what he could & couldn't have. You should see the difference in his coat since being on the foods he can have...it's amazing! She can't believe she waited so long to do this...

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    Tanner does not normally have gas, but 2 nights ago he did have a bit of gas. Well, basically he tooted under the covers while I was asleep under there and it woke me up!!! It was only once that I noticed and he had gotten into the kitten's food that day, so I attributed it to that.

    The Fromm that he is on is grain free as I normally only purchase grain free for him. I did tell the vet that the only time Tanner has had horrible room clearing gas consistently was when he was a puppy on Science Diet, but the vet seemed to not think that was any big thing as he didn't even acknowledge that I said anything, again.

    I requested samples of Wellness' Simple line which is limited ingredient food, so I think I may try those before I go all prescription allergy food. I do hate to go against the vet, but I just don't feel he did a thorough job. I was ready for blood tests, stool tests, abdominal x-ray, a full workup, etc., and while I'm glad it wasn't an expensive visit (under $60 with flea pill and antibiotics), I just don't think there were enough symptoms or enough diagnostics to suggest going on prescription allergy food. If my usual vet was there and concurred, then I think I would have been more ok with it because he's known Tanner since he was a puppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtdobes View Post
    You can order a food intolerance/sensitivity test from Dr Dodds and cut out all the trying this or that foods. The breeder of my dog did this for one of the dogs she kept from the litter and learned a LOT! She was surprised at what he could & couldn't have. You should see the difference in his coat since being on the foods he can have...it's amazing! She can't believe she waited so long to do this...

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    Oh, that's a good idea. I think I might do that.
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    I'd be getting a new vet.
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    This vet is not a vet i would want. He does not even listen to what you are telling him. I had a JRt who got IBD later in life. This was a huge stress on her and when we found out, it was easily manageable with a change in food, probitics and Prednisone to clear it up. Please find a different vet. i have had 2 dogs with allergies and both have had sever itching and red yeast issues.



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    I've used the vets who just aren't interested enough to figure out what's going on...three to be exact. My current vet is awesome. At the very least your dog should have had a thorough exam and probably some bloodwork...and an xray. Find a new vet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezzy View Post
    This vet is not a vet i would want. He does not even listen to what you are telling him. I had a JRt who got IBD later in life. This was a huge stress on her and when we found out, it was easily manageable with a change in food, probitics and Prednisone to clear it up. Please find a different vet. i have had 2 dogs with allergies and both have had sever itching and red yeast issues.
    Funny you should mention IBD. As the vet is walking out of the exam room, he throws out a few things it could be "if it didn't resolve" and one of those was IBD. I kept thinking to myself "then why aren't we testing for these things?". Yes, it does resolve after a bit, but my dog is in pain and not eating or drinking or doing anything beyond shaking in a curled up ball until it does and that just doesn't seem like something that should be happening as often as 1-2 times a month. I was just annoyed at that point so I paid the bill and left. My regular vet wasn't available and I have to take the kitten in for another vaccination tomorrow, so I will try and speak to my vet then.

    Thanks for the responses.
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    My Riley has an issue with chicken/turkey/duck. He will have soft serve Dairy Queen style poos almost right after having a meal. I switched him to a non-chicken food and he firmed right up. And yes, food allergies show themselves as itching skin/ears/face, gassy, stinky ears, general uncomfortable-ness.

    Can you try to wet his food? perhaps he his not getting enough water into his system and he is getting tied up, so to speak, or perhaps give him some pumpkin.

    Sounds like he is constipated and that is no fun. Keep us posted on your little guy.



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    I don't have him on chicken or lamb because he has digestive issues with both of those proteins.

    Tanner is not constipated and had gone out and pooped before he started having issues. He is a pretty regular pooper and when I'm home, I always check his poop for color and consistency ( just like the horses..lol). He does squat on 3 legs and leans up again a fence post or tree to potty though. He's done it all of his life and I never really thought about it, but maybe that could signal a problem, idk. You can always tell where he poops because it's usually stuck to the tree or fence post. >.>
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    I have never heard of a dog presenting with abdominal pain and pale gums with "food allergies". Whatever caused the episode obviously was bothering the dog quite a bit. If it was allergies, I would think it would be an event each time the dog ate. If you dog is already on a grain-free novel protein diet,than I would be fairly confident its NOT food allergies.



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    If he does have IBD, I would look at the fat content of your food. Sometimes, if the fat is too high it can cause some serious GI upset. My younger dog had severe parvo as a puppy and now has IBD/Colitis along with food allergies as a result. (His immune system is trashed!) I noticed that in trying some of the grain free foods that the fat content in them was markedly higher than limited grain foods and this caused a serious problem to his sensitive system.



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    This is probably way too obvious, but did he check the dog's anal glands? That rear-ending to poo and what sounds like a pain reaction (pale gums/shaking/hard ab) makes me wonder... maybe a blown gland, reoccuring painful gland...

    I don't go straight to food allergies with what you said here...



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    I appreciate you guys responding. I thought maybe I was way off on my gut feelings about the food allergies which is why I wanted to ask you guys that have animals that have food allergies.

    I am going to ask to speak to my normal vet about Tanner when I take the kitten back in tomorrow.

    Thanks for IBD information Snowflake, I may do some googling on that.

    cowboymom- The anal gland idea sounds reasonable too, so I will see if I can follow up on that possibility as well with my regular vet. He doesn't mind if I ask questions about this or that, unlike the vet I saw today.
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    Default My experience with HA foods

    My dogs symptoms were throwing up barely digested food 4-5 hrs after eating a meal. She did this every other couple of days for few weeks until I went to the vets and they put her on metronidazole. Then she threw up after every meal and med dosing.

    Anyway I went to local vet as well as a GI specialist 2 hrs away in nova. Best guesses were food allery/intolerance, IBD, or h.pylori...... So treatment was to put her on HA foods. purina and Hlls. Corn, Soy and some hydrolyzed chicken protien.... The theory that her body was rejecting the protiens of the chicken and other normal protiens in her normal food. Which was TOTW and then chicken and rice. part 2 of the treatment was to treat with antibiotics for the h.pylori. Unfortunaltly that meant more metronidazole which made her worse. We dropped the met, added Zofran for anti vomiting.

    fwiw my dog did fine on 2-3 months worth of the HA foods. I dobt that eating corn for that long hurt her. I slowly switched her to NB LID potato and salmon..... Which I dislike as it's mostly potato with a little bit of fish. But she's good on the nB. Tried switching her to Wellness Ocean Core and she got sick again.

    So the HA foods just let me get her GI issues to settle down before switching her to a food that seems to work for us.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NRB View Post
    My dogs symptoms were throwing up barely digested food 4-5 hrs after eating a meal. She did this every other couple of days for few weeks until I went to the vets and they put her on metronidazole. Then she threw up after every meal and med dosing.

    Anyway I went to local vet as well as a GI specialist 2 hrs away in nova. Best guesses were food allery/intolerance, IBD, or h.pylori...... So treatment was to put her on HA foods. purina and Hlls. Corn, Soy and some hydrolyzed chicken protien.... The theory that her body was rejecting the protiens of the chicken and other normal protiens in her normal food. Which was TOTW and then chicken and rice. part 2 of the treatment was to treat with antibiotics for the h.pylori. Unfortunaltly that meant more metronidazole which made her worse. We dropped the met, added Zofran for anti vomiting.

    fwiw my dog did fine on 2-3 months worth of the HA foods. I dobt that eating corn for that long hurt her. I slowly switched her to NB LID potato and salmon..... Which I dislike as it's mostly potato with a little bit of fish. But she's good on the nB. Tried switching her to Wellness Ocean Core and she got sick again.

    So the HA foods just let me get her GI issues to settle down before switching her to a food that seems to work for us.
    Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you tried Wellness' limited ingredient food? I think it's called Simple or Simply somethng. I ordered a sample of it to try on Tanner yesterday, before seeing vet this am, since I want to get both my indoor dogs on the same food and my other won't eat the Fromm. You can get free samples of it from Smartpak and they have a special going on where you get the first 2 months for 50% off. I just received the flyer on it this week.
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    I've had GSD's with severe allergies and a few Cavaliers with food allergies. NEVER did they present as you describe. Generally it was red skin and severe itching and sometimes (GSD) discharge and itchy eyes.

    I, too, say get an opinion from another vet. There are some very serious conditions that present with the symptoms you describe - up to and including a cancerous tumor.

    And you said your vet only "took his temp and checked his gums." Incredible!

    Find another vet.

    What part of Texas are you in? Maybe we can help you find a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RacetrackReject View Post
    Have you tried Wellness' limited ingredient food? I think it's called Simple or Simply somethng. .
    Thanks for the heads up. I checked the ingredients and it does share some with the Wellness Core that got my dog sick again (notably the peas, potatoes, dried ground potatoes and tomato pumice) these things are not in the NB LID foods and may have set her off. Only way to find out is to try the food and see if she gets sick again. BUT its a 20/12/3 food and the NB is a 21/10/5 food. Only diff is titch more fat, less protein and less fiber. But the NB doesn't give cal per cup content. And the wellness is 446 cal per cup. Somehow I think that the Wellness is higher calorie than the NB.

    When I transitioned my dog off of the HA foods I spent the first 2 weeks Adding salmon (@ 2 TBS cooked salmon steaks) to her HA food. Then when I had no adverse effect I added 1 tb sweet potato to the salmon topped HA kibble. After another week of that (total 3 weeks) I started to transition from the HA kibble to the NB kibble. The beauty of the NB kibble is that is only had Sweet Potatoes, Salmon, and flaxseed. So it was easy to see that she would transition onto it easily. The flaxseed was the only wild card and it turned out to not be a problem.

    Let me throw a wild card out there as well.... does your dog munch on the plants in your yard? might be that he's chomping on something that sets his tummy off. I am in the process of landscaping a huge bed and was amazed to find out how many plants are toxic to dogs. And my dogs will chew sticks, and occasionally chomp on flowers and greenery.

    I also agree that you vet sucks.... but maybe he's just trying to save you $$. My dogs been x-rayed (originally thought could be foreign body.... I had a thread last fall on here) barium swallow, BIPS, x-rayed, ultra sound, blood test for specific things, standard things. stool samples checked, and finally an endoscope.... none of which told us what she had.... it just told us what she didn't have.... ugh.



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    I had done home-cooked for years because my old sheltie couldn't tolerate any commercial dog food - he had issues with chicken, turkey and salmon. But he could do ground beef, brown rice and veggies. I lost count of how many I tried, and finally just gave up.

    When he was PTS, I wanted to switch my other dog (a sheltie/ BC cross) to a commercial food. I had cooked for both because it was easier to have them on the same food. I tried Blue Buffalo Turkey and Rice, and it didn't go well - he got bad explosive poo. So I ended up switching him to Pro Plan, which he did fine with.

    I got another sheltie, and since he was coming off the puppy food, I wanted to put the 2 dogs on the same food again, but a good quality food. So I started switching to Wellness Core Turkey and Rice ... BOTH dogs got explosive gassy poo. So back on the old foods they both went, and poo returned to normal.

    Then it hit me - it's the TURKEY they are sensitive too. So now I'm in the process of switching them to Wellness Super 5 Chicken and Rice ... so far, so good. ( I switch gradually over a 2 week period)

    Are shelties more prone to tummy issues than other breeds ? Or am I just 'lucky' in that regard ? LOL



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