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  1. #1
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    Default Thinking ahead for next year.... stallion suggestions?

    I am planning to breed my WB/TB mare next year. She is 12 yrs old, and a maiden, so I want to use fresh semen.
    Here are some pics of her:
    http://cherryblossomfarm.net/kalliopy.html
    Here is her pedigree:
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kalliopy

    What I want to keep:
    1. The JUMP! She has perfect form, and is incredibly scopey.
    2. Her stride. She has a huge step, and just walks the lines.
    3. Her temperament. She is a total sweetheart, and will let me do anything with her, just because I asked.
    4. Her bravery. She goes first, and will jump anything.
    5. Her soundness.
    6. Her height and build. She is a VERY solid 16.2+ hh, and I do not want any smaller, if possible.
    7. Her color.. at least the black. A pinto is not required, but I prefer blacks or very dark bays.

    What I want to improve on:
    1. Her sensitivity. I love how responsive she is, and I can ride her easily -- but most people cannot.
    2. She could have a slightly shorter back and be a bit more rounded through the loins.
    3. She is a good mover, bit more dressage like than hunter, so a bit flatter movement.

    So, what stallions would you suggest that are preferably black, are 16.2-17.1 hh (and throw size), have an amateur friendly temperament, a 10 jump, hunter movement, brave, and are available in fresh? (I know, just a few requirements! )
    Cherry Blossom Farm - Show & Field Hunters, Side Saddles



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    A Fine Romance.
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    Even though he is showing dressage I wouldn't say he has lofty movement. He might not be flat enough for you.. but other than that, perhaps Steeped In Luck?

    http://www.pairadoxfarm.com/page/page/2683044.htm

    Perhaps too much size?

    I keep toying with the idea of breeding my tb mare to him next year. I want some of that chunk factor!



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    Ok - You will have to research this guy, but, I think he is worth some research. Appears to be an inch shorter than your requirements, and bay so not black....but....

    http://www.redfieldfarms.com/breeding.shtml

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxT1...3&feature=plcp



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    I don't have a suggestion -- but I just wanted to say -- WHAT A COOL HORSE!!!!
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    I agree!! What about using a Trakehner Stallion.. I would recommend Buddenbrock.
    Owned proudly by my horses and the Pony
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    LOVE the sidesaddle pic! What a fabulous mare!

    Take a look at Panoramic at:

    http://www.truecoloursfarm.com/

    A lovely 17.1hh black sabino TB stallon, very elegant and typey, terrific jump with a gorgeous, soft, lopey canter and a terrific hunter type trot on him

    Have fun in your search!



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    Breeding to a bay or black horse is not enough; if you want to eliminate the possibility of chestnut you need one that's homozygous black. Sir Wanabi is, and he would fit many of your criteria.



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    She is a proven mare and worth spending money on...Popeye. You have to toss the black probably as he has produced bays and chestnuts but I don't think any blacks, so he may be AA. Sir Wanabi would be great too. I'd hold out for Palladio though for the fun of it...keeping the tobiano color maybe...he also has produced black so is Aa. PatO



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    Quote Originally Posted by AppJumpr08 View Post
    A Fine Romance.
    Thank you for suggesting AFR, AppJumpr.

    OP, your mare is beautiful, and I love your description of her character! - very best of luck with her, no matter which stallion you decide to use.
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    Fabuluex. I don't think he'll give you a HACK WINNING trot, but he'll sure give you a terrific canter. He's homozygous black and otherwise fits the bill. I would expect him to give her a little more "short coupledness," which I think would help improve the foal. Fabulous amataur friendly temperment without dullness. Great jump. Brave.

    And when the foal turns out to be black and a gelding, sell him to me!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidesaddleRider View Post
    So, what stallions would you suggest that are preferably black, are 16.2-17.1 hh (and throw size), have an amateur friendly temperament, a 10 jump, hunter movement, brave, and are available in fresh? (I know, just a few requirements! )
    You should check out Balt'Amour at Marabet Farm. Fits your request to a T. Best of luck!



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    You should check out Balt'Amour at Marabet Farm. Fits your request to a T. Best of luck!
    Ah! Totally forgot about Balt'Amour! One of the more underutilized stallions out there IMO ...

    LOVE him!



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    Tzigane Pb* - ticks all of your boxes



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    Thanks for the suggestions!

    I think right now I am leaning toward a stallion like Balt'Amour, Fabuleaux, Sir Wanabi, and if I want another pinto, Palladio.

    She has plenty of TB blood in her, so I don't think she needs any more, although I do personally like AFR. I don't see much of a show record, real jumping photos, or offspring results with Panoramic, so I can't really judge him.

    My major concern with Popeye is that he is available by frozen semen only. I hate to do that with a maiden, as it can get very expensive very quickly.

    Tzigane Pb* looks very nice, but seems like more of a jumper/eventer than a hunter. The few photos of Buddenbrock make him look nice, but I can't seem to find any video of him jumping to see how hunter-like he goes.

    Steeped in Luck is just too big, I think. However, crossed with a TB mare, I think the foal would be lovely.

    Does any one have any thoughts on Gatsby?

    Quote Originally Posted by vxf111 View Post
    Fabuluex... And when the foal turns out to be black and a gelding, sell him to me!!!!
    LOL, if I go that route, I will consider it. While I would be breeding for myself, I have a feeling that a foal from her by a quality stallion will be a much desired commodity. There are few people who have seen her jump in person that haven't been impressed by her. Consistency is her hallmark trait.
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    I know he's not black, but Amazing checks all the other boxes you were hoping for.

    He's doing really well at shows, and was 1st, 2nd, and 3rd last week at Buffalo during peak breeding season. He even gave a little girl a pony ride

    Here are a couple of pics from the show...
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    Cornerstone Equestrian
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    nothing to add but I always thought she was such a cutie on Diane Crump's website

    Yes, I do have someone to add.. How bout Counterclaim?

    http://www.flyingcolorsfarm.com/ourstallion.asp

    Claim to Fame then Counterclaim is below him

    He is 16.2, Hunter, fresh and I bet he jumps like his sire Oh and he is homozygous so 100% pinto and he is a black or bay
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    The Popeyes I have seen have been such a mixed bag. And some seem easy... But the one that aren't seem TOUGH!!! I like him a lot but I don't think I'd choose him given the list of things you're seeking as an improvement on the dam.

    I am not a fan of the Palladios I have known and I would not expect him to improve hunter movement. Though he does have the jump and obviously color.

    Sir Wanabi is an interesting suggestion. For a really great canter, jump, and short coupling--- another thought is Dacaprio. I don't know if he's homozygous black. I have no idea.

    I think highly of Westporte and he'll give you the jump and movement. I don't know about color or size. I've seen them of aaalll different sizes and shapes (all well put together but varied).

    I am obviously a bit biased but Fabuleux seemed like the obvious choice because I think he gives you consistency on the thing you're looking to most change-- the quietness-- but not in a dull way. I think if you rode Frankie, you'd think he was that temperment you're looking for. Sensitive and tuned in but nonreactive. And every Fabuleux I've ever come across has had that personality. They're just cool dudes. Not deadheads, just cool.

    She is so special, if you go with non-fresh semen--- get some Rio Grande. She is so worth it!!!
    ~Veronica
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    She is so special, if you go with non-fresh semen--- get some Rio Grande. She is so worth it!!!
    I loved my Rio baby and the lady that bought her from me as a weanling still has her 15 or so years later, but a lot of them can be quite "opinionated" and will argue the toss with you. Overall, I dont believe they are known to be "user friendly" right across the spectrum ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueColours View Post
    I loved my Rio baby and the lady that bought her from me as a weanling still has her 15 or so years later, but a lot of them can be quite "opinionated" and will argue the toss with you. Overall, I dont believe they are known to be "user friendly" right across the spectrum ...
    That's true, but what a STELLAR athlete you'd get crossing her with Rio!
    ~Veronica
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