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    The Pit Bull is not a recognized breed. It is a backyard bastardization of a truly wonderful, all-American breed, the American Staffordshire Terrier. AKC - American Staffordshire Terrier

    Pit Bulls are Staffordshires that were backyard bred to fight visciously. The less agressive puppies were killed in dog fights or killed by thier owners.

    Anyone who breeds and sells "Pit Bulls" is selling born killers. If you are interested in the breed, please buy from an AKC recognized breeder of Staffordshires. Staffordshieres are truly wonderful dogs. You don't know what you are getting from someone who advertises the breed as "Pit Bulls".

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    Besides the obvious, respect the leash laws, the people at "Bad Rap" recommend that a responsible pit bull owner be familiar with breaking up a dog fight. Most people are not.

    http://www.badrap.org/rescue/responsible.cfm

    How can you not stereotype dog breeds?? They are bred to have certain characteristics. We didn't teach our Lab to pick up a stick....he was BORN to carry things in his mouth.

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    Oh, what a terrible story.

    I almost got attacked once by two pit bulls while riding my little 14 hand mustang. I was sure they were going to jump us. They were loose and ran out onto the road and growled, snarled and barked ferociously while I was riding on the opposite side on the shoulder. Where's oncoming cars when you need them? All I had was a dressage whip to defend the horse and me.

    All I could do was avert my eyes to not appear challenging and walk the horse slowly away. After following me about 1/8 of a mile, they went back to their yard. This a country road without much traffic. It could have been a while before help arrived. The owner of these dogs if they were even home, didn't come out and yell at the dogs either. This happened right in front of their house.

    Why do people have dogs like this that they allow to run loose pit bulls or otherwise?

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    Sorry but- a Staffordshire is still a pit. A friend had her "happy, wonderful" bitch put down at 5 after escalating agression. The dog finally killed the family cat (that she had grown up with), and started growling at the 7-yr old daughter. Many of the larger, aggressive breeds don't come into their full aggressive drive until they are 3 or 4.
    Why choose a breed that is known for questionable
    temperament when there are so many lovely loyal obedient breeds- start with the percentages on your side!



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    Oh, and- always report an incident of dog aggression (to people or livestock) to animal control as well as to the owner. That way there is a record.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss Perfect:
    The Pit Bull is not a recognized breed. It is a backyard bastardization of a truly wonderful, all-American breed, the American Staffordshire Terrier. http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/...></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The AKC is not the end-all of dog breeding. The UKC, frex, does recognize an American Pit Bull Terrier. I don't know whether it's a case of two names for the same dog - but regardless, you may be getting a very nice dog if you're buying it from a "Pit Bull" breeder, or a very poor one if you buy from a breeder of AmStaffs (or the similar Staffordshire Bull, or any breed, really). AKC registration is not is not is not a guarantee of quality. Whatever breed you're looking for, please do a heck of a lot more research into the breeder than what organization he or she participates in.

    Glad to hear the horse is doing well. The trouble with this sort of thing is that a big, powerful dog without good handling and training is going to a lot more damage than a little one, though my experience when I worked at a kennel was that Cockers were by far the most likely to bite, followed by little Poodle mixes. My theory is that people put less thought into how much training a little dog needs. I did run into some aggressive big ones, but I always found them more "honest" about the biting (bad word, I know) - they would give you plenty of warning that they weren't happy and I actually never got nailed by one because of it. The little ones would just snap and unless you were reeeaaallyyy quick...
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    People who purposefully breed aggressive dogs should be attacked by one of their own making. There really is no excuse. I feel so sorry for Lucky and her owners.

    I totally agree that there are bad breeders of all breeds, and one has to reasearch every breeder they might buy from. But at least, starting with a registered breeder is a start. I did not realize that the UKC calls the breed the American Pit Bull Terrier. My mistake - I stand corrected on the name.

    What has happened to the commonly sold Pit Bull is still a backyard bastardization of what started out as a great breed. The Little Rsacals dogs was a Staffordshire.

    When my parents bought their first German Shepherd, they bought the official breed book (either AKC or the German breeders book - I forget). The book recommends that every puppy born be given certain "aggressiveness traits" testing by the breeder. According to the breed book, those puppies that test to be overly aggressive should be humanely destroyed. This is to breed out of the German Shepherd the aggressive traits that were specifcally bred for by the Nazis. The breed has come along way since WWII, but aggressiveness can still be a problem in some lines of the German Shepherd.

    I wonder if Staffordshire/Pit Bull breeders do the same?

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    edit because i slipped into lecture mode and then decided this pet rant of mine was not likely to be appreciated. the short version is that while uncontrolled aggression is always a bad thing, a certain amount of toughness and dominance - the sort of thing that can turn into nastiness without proper handling - can be very desirable traits indeed. also that i'm a big believer that breeds should be able to do the things they were bred for and that breeding for good dogs and selecting for good, knowledgable owners is the answer to keeping the big, powerful breeds from being problematic. a pit bull is a pit bull (and really that goes for all the working breeds - working as in a breed bred for a job, not as in those classified as such by the AKC); trying to turn it into a pussycat is, in my opinion, a very poor solution.

    [This message was edited by Tucked_Away on Oct. 14, 2002 at 02:29 PM.]

    [This message was edited by Tucked_Away on Oct. 14, 2002 at 02:34 PM.]
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    The Pit Bull/ Am Staff were both descended from a type of dog that was bred to "bait" bulls. When bull-baiting was outlawed, breeders turned to dog-fighting. The Am Staff was descended from these dogs and was recognized by the AKC in the 1930s. The American Pit Bull Terrier is recognized by the UKC. Many dogs are cross registered.

    Historically, dogs showing aggression towards people were destroyed. Dogs that fought in the pits were often handled by strangers and were required to be friendly and submissive to people, so a human would not get injured before, during, or after a fight. Dogs that showed aggression towards humans were killed on the spot. Until very recently, aggression towards people was actively selected against. Punks have ruined the bred by specifically selecting towards human-aggressive animals. Those involved in Pit Bull rescue rigerously temperment-test their dogs and euthanise any animal showing aggression towards a person. Aggression towards people is NEVER tolerated by responsible breeders or rescuers. Aggression towards animals can be a problem and unfortunate incidents as described above can be prevented simply by having physical control of the dog at all times. Aggression towards animals is a trait that is shared by many large, working breds of dogs and is not limited to Pit Bulls. Responsible ownership is the key. Many incidents would be prevented if owners simply obeyed existing leash laws and if local govts enforced these laws.



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    There's not a single thing that you've written that I disagree with. The aggressiveness testing is to weed out overly aggressive, dangerous dogs. A certain amount of aggression, properly managed, is highly desirable in certain breeds, as you stated. Show quality dogs still maintain these traits. At dog shows, judges don't mind at all if terriers (any terrier breed) 'misbehave' and try to fight - they see that as a desirable feistiness in the dogs.

    But you're right - this is way off topic - I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you - the basic nature and traits of a breed should never be bred out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    heh. and here i went back and edited 'cause i figured i'd overstepped my bounds and didn't want to offend/upset anyone. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

    for the record, my family's older dog is an akc lab, who we don't hunt. i don't think she makes me a hypocrite, as her dam hunts as well as having done some breed ring and obedience stuff, and she was spayed very young. but she's a lovely dog and i don't mean to sound utterly anti-akc, and i'm thinking we actually are on the same page, after all. cool!
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    Thanks for the breed history. It's a shame what irresponsible people can do to an animal.

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    To bring this back to horses-
    With dogs, as with horses you need to dela with the individual vs. the group stereotype, combined with the importance of proper handling.

    Not all stallions are aggressive, but some are.

    And, if you own a stallion, it is that much more important that they have proper handling to train them not to be agressive.

    With proper handling, many stallions are well behaved members of equine society.

    Even then, additional precautions are advisable when handling stallions.

    But some stallions are rogues, not matter how proper their handling.

    No substitute "pit bulls" for "stallions" and "canine" for "equine", and you have another set of true statements
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    Pit bulls have been bred to be aggressive, particularly to other dogs. (To fight in the pit.) They are usually good with people. They must be trained to properly socialize with other dogs.

    My husband's friend has 3 adorable pit bulls. They are sweet as can be. Still wouldn't trust them loose around my dog (or my horses).
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    Well, the popular misconception is that Pit Bulls can be trained not to be dog/ animal aggressive. You can't train dog aggression out of a Pit Bull anymore than you can train a cat not to chase mice.

    However, you can train a Pit Bull to be obedient to its handler. You can train a Pit Bull to focus on the handler rather than the dog across the road.

    Novice Pit Bull owners get themselves into trouble by thinking they can train or socialise aggression out of the dog. Pit Bulls can co-exist around other animals, but interactions must be supervised. Everything is fine for a time and one day the owner comes home and Fluffy the cat is dead or Rover the dog is dead. And the Pit Bull pays with it's life.
    But the blame rests with the owner.



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    Thanks K-9
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    I don't trailride much, but while I'm working (I'm an animal control officer part-time), I carry a "holster" can of concentrated citronella. A blast of it will stop most (I'd hesitate to say ALL) dogs in their tracks, and you don't have to worry so much about damage to yourself or any other animals/people as with pepper spray (which can be unpleasant if any drifts back toward you!).

    As I've stated before, I'm a big fan of pitbulls. Not such a big fan of irresponsible owners.

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    Reasons why I don't like pit bulls:

    1) American Airlines had multiple instances when pitbulls escaped in the cargo hull. Finally, they were banned after one began chewing through electrical wires that could have potentially caused death.

    2) Things like this

    3) That lady in Northern California...does anyone remember this? She was basically completely mutilated by a pitbull. It was so bad the attending policemen needed therapy. A huh.

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    not my favourite dog. Almost got bitten by one in my own front yard last week. It was obviously a pet that had gotten out of it's yard (collar on but looked lost). When it saw us coming it ran over, then realised we were strangers and got nervous and aggressive.

    I've owned Cocker Spaniels too and while I agree they are more likely to snap than just about anything short of a crocodile, they don't do a lot of damage. This pit could have taken my arm off and was clearly considering attack, rather than just a defensive snap. It made me nervous and most dogs don't do that.

    I personally think that the kind of "dominance training" that a lot of people are encouraged to do, ie holding the dog down etc. makes a big dog MORE aggressive towards other people. It makes them see people as other dogs which I don't think is a good thing in a naturally dominant aggressive animal!!



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    The lady in Northern CA was NOT killed by a Pit Bull.
    That dog was a Presa Canario.

    Dogs with large boxy heads (Labs, Dalmations, Mastiffs, Boxers, American Bulldogs, and crosses thereof) are mistaken for Pit Bulls. Likewise, working or game-bred PitBulls are lankier and smaller boned than those bred for show. These dogs are often mistaken for crosses or other breeds. Many people (including my neighbors) would not know a PitBull if they fell over one.

    Dogs chew. The dog that chewed the wires on that American Flight just as easily could have been a poodle.



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