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  1. #221
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    Equilibrium,
    We have not purchased a horse from Gray Fox Farm. Although she has many we would like to purchase. Please do not speculate about us. If you have a specific question please email me or PM me and I will answer.



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    Thought I read that and said as much. Guess what, I was you. And I'd be much better off in life had I listened when people gave warnings. But hey, when you get paid the "voices" are just naysayers who were lying because they had a vendetta against this poor misunderstood person. I defended and believed right until it was too late.

    What I can tell you without a doubt is that someone ends up paying alright. Make damn sure it isn't you. I do business a lot differently now. I don't give a crap if your name is Queen Elizabeth, you do not get away with squat. Sob stories, don't care. People have misunderstood you, again don't give a crap.

    I am sorry I got it wrong. But not for the advice I'm giving out. Hopefully you will be in the minority in that it works out.

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    Well, the upside to Jill suing all of us for posting on FB is that we will know where and when she'll be at the courthouse which should make it easy for law enforcement to execute all those warrants she has outstanding!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Hey, her "like us on FB and subscribe to our emails to win a free breeding" was sheer genius.
    Ha, and the funny thing is, one of those "winners of a free breeding" was posting all over FB trying to figure out how to get a hold of her, because they were a breeder, and wanted to collect their prize.

    I think they may have been here on coth as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cyriz's mom View Post
    Well, the upside to Jill suing all of us for posting on FB is that we will know where and when she'll be at the courthouse which should make it easy for law enforcement to execute all those warrants she has outstanding!!
    Yeah, she is going to take you all to small claims court.

    Because well, I doubt her lawyer would be representing her, being as they have an outstanding judgement against her for... wait for it... unpaid bills. I know, surprising!

    so, Jill who has warrents, and a long list of outstanding judgements against her, is going to take you to small claims court. And prove a loss of X amount of dollars (but under 10K because it is small claims)....

    yeah... ok.



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    Ha, and the funny thing is, one of those "winners of a free breeding" was posting all over FB trying to figure out how to get a hold of her, because they were a breeder, and wanted to collect their prize.
    OK - thats a helluva great idea!

    "Please *LIKE* True Colours Farm on FB and for everyone that does, you will be entered to win a free breeding to one of our stallions. Please also be aware that due to circumstances beyond our control we may not be able to actually GIVE you the free breeding that you have won or if we get too busy, we may not be able to actually draw a name for a winner, but please rest assured that our intentions are sort of honorable and we were actually THINKING of giving someone a free breeding. And oh - if we do and if you win and cant get hold of us? Keep trying - maybe eventually someone will pick up the phone or respond to your email ..."

    And if you dont like the restrictions that we have put on the free breeding that you might win? Tough luck - go and tell someone who actually gives a damn ...

    There!

    Do you think that would work?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by RacetrackReject View Post
    You can definitely make a page on Facebook about this. I used to be a member of one for Stuart Black when he was fired from a certain North Texas farm and he then told the police that the farm owners killed his girlfriend and he needed to get back on the farm to find her body...lol. Sorry Meghan, I know he trains your horses, but it was too funny not to join and watch.

    ETA I liked GFF Facebook page several months back, again, for entertainment value..lol.
    Individuals who have court and other legal documents showing the case and any judgements can certainly post the public information online - it's easy to scan docs and post them. That would be very interesting reading and bolster the case of individuals who say they have been harmed and cheated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyParker View Post
    Careful Diane, you post as fact things that may not be, and I may just offer my legal services to GFF just to put a sock in the mouths of those that need it.

    I have never met anyone from GFF but have enjoyed their blog/forum whatever the hell you want to call it. And find the quality of their horses/foals to be of excellent calibur. I have also heard numerous counts of GOOD business transactions.

    You are an attorney practicing in the state of California?!? REALLY? Is Roy Parker your real name? Because you are not listed in the California State Bar.

    How generous to offer your expertise pro bono. Because you know, the last law firm that worked for her went to the court and got a judgment for unpaid legal fees. No notice of satisfaction has been recorded, so I can only assume her old lawyer is still waiting for their payment.

    So, what do you propose suing FOR and what are Jill's damages which you will be looking to recoup?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ise@ssl View Post
    It's unclear to me which registry this filly was registered with or if she was. I hope the OP will send certified letters to the registry to either 1. Put them on notice the filly does NOT belong to GFF and they are NOT the breeder and any papers issued are not legal or 2. Advise them someone might try to register the filly and that the OP is the legal owner and breeder of this filly and is having little success with GFF.
    OP I'm sorry this has happened AGAIN!! Shaking my head ... another case of widespread openly fraudulent activity facilitated in the equine industry!!
    JB is gonna get to the end of her rope IF the RIGHT PEOPLE (ahem!!) stand up to her. How is she showing youngsters in here on the east coast??

    Fortunately,the horse registries are responsive!! I'll suggest you report this situation in writing to the NGB (national governing body) of the equestrian sport the USEF. JB can't gather POINTS if they show the filly ...she may abandon the filly if she can't get Leading Breeder, Leading SO & Leading Whatchamaycallit Points.

    I am in the process of a USEF dispute for a filly "secretly" foaled at a hunter show barn. I owned the mare & bred her to my stallion..leased then sold her with a caveat if she was in foal I got the foal. A year later.. ..she's bred by another person (who didn't pay a cent for the vet & stud fees) , is now not a WB/TB but represented as a pony cross and showing as sire UNKNOWN...I didn't rename my boy UNKNOWN either!! She's winning every time she shows.. but her USEF points won't count. Fraud is just wrong!


    Any victims out there?? It may be advisable to combine representation to provide the Court with a full view of the scope of the problem. Let me know I'll put you in touch with other victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Appsolute View Post
    You are an attorney practicing in the state of California?!? REALLY? Is Roy Parker your real name? Because you are not listed in the California State Bar.

    How generous to offer your expertise pro bono. Because you know, the last law firm that worked for her went to the court and got a judgment for unpaid legal fees. No notice of satisfaction has been recorded, so I can only assume her old lawyer is still waiting for their payment.

    So, what do you propose suing FOR and what are Jill's damages which you will be looking to recoup?
    Maybe Roy Parker is a "paralawyer" like Danny DeVito's character in John Grisham's "Rainmaker".

    Is someone here good enough to track down all of the judgments against JB and list them here? Is there enough bandwidth?



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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsRide View Post
    Woo hoo! Go #1 USEF HUNTER BREEDING SIRE Redwine!

    I see Redwine has finally made the list of USEF TOP HUNTER SIRES! (Hunter Sires aka sires of horses that actually JUMP). He is currently #437 on the LIST.

    Hmmm... Then there is the #2 USEF HUNTER BREEDING SIRE Ragtime.

    Oh LOOK Ragtime is #18 is on the list of USEF TOP HUNTER SIRES. HUNTERS the horses that actually jump.

    #437 compared to #18.

    Yes; I am sure clients who want prospects that JUMP would want to look at the Hunter Sires rather than Hunter Breeding Sires.

    I sure wish the OP success in getting her filly back ASAP.

    On the west coast people don't really care about hunter breeding, so there are generally only 3 breeders/trainers that show at these shows and entries are always fewer than a handful. Some shows all the entries are by the same breeder, so easy to get up there in the rankings, especially when you have lots of foals. It's hunter breeding, just a beauty contest. It's the under saddle scores that really count. How many go on to be go proven show horses?

    I just saw this filly's photo circulating on facebook the other day....now I know why. I wish the original poster good luck on getting her filly back.

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    Small claims court is a special court where disputes are resolved quickly and inexpensively. In small claims court the rules are simplified and the hearing is informal. The person who files the claim is called the plaintiff. The person who the claim is filed against is called the defendant. While you may ask an attorney for advice before you go to small claims court, an attorney cannot represent you in court.

    A natural person (not a business or public entity) may file a claim for no more than or equal to $10,000.00, with a few exceptions.

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    If you are a business required to file a fictitious business name statement, you must include your statement number and date of expiration on the claim form. You cannot file a case in small claims court without a valid fictitious business name statement.

    Perhaps those who have had bad dealings should also file complaints with the Better Business Bureau. You can do that online. You may also want to check and see if there is a current business license and permit.
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    So I posted the info on my facebook status and I get a message from JB herself claiming I must remove this or I will be sue'd for defamation.

    A real piece of work that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donella View Post
    So I posted the info on my facebook status and I get a message from JB herself claiming I must remove this or I will be sue'd for defamation.

    A real piece of work that one.
    Well I guess she could sue you. And win, and you could just NEVER PAY HER. Just like Jill hasn't paid any of the people who SUED HER AND WON.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Donella View Post
    So I posted the info on my facebook status and I get a message from JB herself claiming I must remove this or I will be sue'd for defamation.

    A real piece of work that one.
    How does it work if someone in CA tries to sue a Canadian resident for defamation? Just curious. (I bet it's even tougher if the plaintiff stiffs her lawyer).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara View Post
    How does it work if someone in CA tries to sue a Canadian resident for defamation? Just curious. (I bet it's even tougher if the plaintiff stiffs her lawyer).
    I'm sure she's bluffing. What lawyer would offer legal services to someone if they don't pay?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Donella View Post
    So I posted the info on my facebook status and I get a message from JB herself claiming I must remove this or I will be sue'd for defamation.

    A real piece of work that one.
    I posted it as well and I haven't been threatened... yet.

    Jill, if you are reading this, a mea culpa goes a looonnng way. I know what it is being in a though spot financially and if you do make good with your creditors and do honor your engagements to pay, they will be very helpful. That is if you haven't threatened them of something.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kairi View Post
    I'm sure she's bluffing. What lawyer would offer legal services to someone if they don't pay?
    They just ask for a huuuuuge retainer.



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    Late to this thread, but did I read correctly that OP's mare is pregnant to one of the stallions?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chall View Post
    Late to this thread, but did I read correctly that OP's mare is pregnant to one of the stallions?
    She foaled 3 weeks ago. It was a 3-in-1 package, pregnant mare and foal at side (the one in question). The seller was able to get the (then pregnant) mare back but was told that the filly was away at the trainer for show prep and so she couldn't pick her up.
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    Ah, so it wasn't a GFF stallion that sired the foal, right?



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