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    I find it very ironic that the same people who are bashing us "Canadians" for mentioning Tim's and the like are responsible for umpteen threads on cities, states, presidential elections, bars and facilities at horse shows nowhere near where I and my country mates ever go.

    Don't single out us Canadians - it ain't just us.

    Is it jealousy over our ability to elect a national leader?!? (that is a joke, please see it that way).



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:

    I should like to point out another thing, there is a generational difference. In my day it was quite rude to have a private limited communication when sitting in a living room with other people who were not privy to the same information and interests.

    Since I think of this as a living room you will have to forgive me if I didnot understand that is no longer bad manners.
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    Perhaps this is the root of the problem for the folx who feel left out, offended, and feel the 'tone' has changed. This is NOT a living room. There is no host, and none of us were invited, while others were not. This is more like a shopping mall. Open to the public and people standing in line will not all be required to have a conversation in which all can join.



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    Please forgive me Heidi if I sounded morally superior, cuz I sure as *H* ain't! Just meant that we all have a tendency sometimes to jump on each other, misreading the intent. Boy, I wish I were one of those 15 yr olds in a dark basement, would have figured a few things out by now and be worth millions [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]



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    Twister, very well said!

    Ok I know those posts on Thanksgiving from certain Canadians were way too much, but don't start blaming us because this thing has been going on for way too long. I have stopped posting here (under a different name) because I am sick of all the inside jokes and cliques.

    And you know what, I agree with Polo, not so much about being ashamed to be Canadian (because i am in no way ashamed!) but about how sad our dear EMG BB has become.

    [This message has been edited by mentos (edited 12-01-2000).]



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I've Had Enough:
    I to have noticed the alarming number of "Canadian" threads. At one point there were about 8 or so on the go, and they were all about "Timmies", polar fleece thongs and toques. The same stuff being being repeated over and over by the same people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Alarming number of Canadian Threads?!? Just who the @#%^ are you to determine the nationality of the members here? That is insulting to us Canadians. In case you hadn't noticed, there are people on this board from many different countries, which is one of the interesting facets of this board. BTW - do you have any idea how many threads there on the whole BB!!?!? And out of those many thousands how many are Canadian? Maybe a dozen? So 1% of all threads? and you think thats ALARMING? Get a grip Had Enough.

    As for Canadiana content - do you think I cared one whit about your Bush/Gore thread? or all that Maclay Medal Final stuff, or the National on again/off again, or what the AHSA is/isn't doing now? No, I didn't, but I learned from it, but mostly ignored it. Which is what everyone in this thread was trying to say - if you're not interested DON'T READ IT!!!

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm hoping I don't have to write under this name again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Don't patronize us. We're not children.

    [This message has been edited by Jair (edited 12-01-2000).]
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    One more thing, this "issue" has been growing for a while now, and just because a few multiple Canadian oriented threads were a bit much for some people, doesnt give certain people the right to blame us Canucks for this whole mess. We werent the ones being complained about when everything started. Heck there wasn't even a Canadian clique here 2-3 months ago.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I've Had Enough:
    I've had enough too. Polo makes some very good points. I to have noticed the alarming number of "Canadian" threads. At one point there were about 8 or so on the go, and they were all about "Timmies", polar fleece thongs and toques. The same stuff being being repeated over and over by the same people.

    I do have another name that I usually use and I have about 200+ posts with that name and I like to respond to the HORSE RELATED threads. I'm not using that name today because I'd like to continue posting with that name.

    Lets get our acts together people, and start some proper topics here and lets keep those topics away from thongs ok!

    Also please do NOT check my spelling or my grammar, that's rude and uncalled for.

    I'm hoping I don't have to write under this name again.
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    I find it a very unfair and quite disturbing that you chose to make some very unfair and extremely negative comments ... while you hide under another name. Frankly that's cowardly. That's not discussing that's sniping.

    Yet again I must state that if you have a b**ch against either BB about content - post some interesting topics and avoid the silly ones. How hard is that to understand??

    BTW - How some of you can complain about multiple Canadian threads when in reality, it was a one day prank on a day when 99% of you weren't posting shows me there's a sharing problem amongst us kids in the sandbox.

    Mentos and Polo - I invite you to email me regarding your concerns about the EMG website.

    There's something wrong with this world when people complain in public, but can't be bothered to initiate a legitimate dialogue - if you have complaints I would be very interested in discussing them.

    Frankly, my feeling is that when no one makes the effort to post interesting topics, the silly ones take over out of desperation.

    My email address is asskissinj@netscape.net

    [This message has been edited by Canter (edited 12-01-2000).]



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jair:
    Don't patronize us. We're not children.

    [This message has been edited by Jair (edited 12-01-2000).]
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    Firstly, I commend Jair for saying what I've wanted to say all along ... don't hide behind an alias (pl. "aliae?" LOL!)or alter ego if you have something to say. We all have something to bring and share, and we all need to understand and be aware of that. It may not be something we enjoy or are interested in, but it doesn't necessarily strip the message of value for others who are intrigued by it.

    This thread was started by a young man who is likely at the stage in life where many young men and women his age are ... painfully realizing that HE is responsible for his actions and words.

    It's a hard place to be and I definitely cut him slack for it. However, I would take the opportunity to remind him (Rags) that this is a lesson he should learn and from which he should move forward. It's not realistic to blame others for your unhappiness or boredom. You are responsible for fixing that. I have found that I can beat unhappiness and boredom by doing something constructive for myself or for someone else.

    I would also like to say, and I understand that this is almost a semantic thing (since the 90's saw a widely accepted use - in the US - of MAO inhibitors and anti-depressants), that it's almost harsh to recommend "Prozac," or any other drug to someone who has a fervent opinion about something. There is also nothing wrong with being medicated for depression, but it does require a clinical diagnosis. It's insulting to individuals who may be medicated for that reason and it implies that being medicated is wrong when, in fact, it's not. It's a positive step in the right direction (when used with adjunct therapies and medical supervision).

    Not expressing one's opinion or emotions is unhealthy. Being educated and capable of expressing your opinion in a socially-compliant manner is healthy. And it's something we should all aspire to accomplish. No one should feel berated for having an honest thought to bring to the group.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jair:
    [B] Don't patronize us. We're not children.
    [B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Jair makes a valid point concerning the ethnocentricity that plagues Americans. The Chronicle magazine is distributed internationally, not just in America or the continent of North America.

    I've felt, particularly as of late, that this board has become an even better source of information and opinion because of the diversity in cultures. I apologize in advance for naming names but 3eme, Jair, Heidi, TequilaSunrise, Kachoo, and that nice person from Germany who's username escapes me right now, have given me a glimpse of equestrian life from all different corners of the globe and I deeply appreciate it.

    I have learned about theories of horsemanship I've never heard of before, tack I've never heard of before, and learned a variety of new words which I'm not ashamed to admit. I had to look up toque in a dictionary. 3eme was kind enough to share the names of the best tack shops in Paris with me to give a friend who was planning a vacation.

    The Canadian bashing is uncalled for. Jair may have been harsh in his post but insulting the mindset of an entire nation is exceptionally offensive, especially given the fact that we as Americans are often unaware that there is a world beyond our borders and display this attitude often.



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    BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG...

    That is the sound of my head hitting my desk, repeatedly. http://www.chronofhorse.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

    What, exactly, do you guys want???

    The most anyone can ask for, short of an army of moderators to scrutinize every post 24 hours a day, is some consideration and cooperation among the BB members. I do think it's inconsiderate of any one group to dominate the board... I missed the Thanksgiving prank, but it certainly hasn't been an ongoing occurrence.

    I don't see any clique member claiming they have the right to run roughshod over the board. In fact, quite a few people have apologized (both on the board and in private) for perhaps going a bit overboard. I don't think anyone intended to alienate anyone else.

    As far as I'm concerned, all that's necessary is a reminder, when necessary, that the frivolity needs to stay in check. There doesn't need to be a mention of a thong on every damn thread. There don't need to be 18 funny threads going on at once. Colin does not need to have 10 different posting names.

    If you have a problem with something, mention it politely, non-judgmentally, on the board or email the administrator.

    Other than that, just try to get along for heaven's sake. And this thread now has my nomination for the "dead horse" award... sheesh.

    Can we assume that this concept is acceptable to the majority and MOVE ON, for crying out loud? Thank you.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I've Had Enough:
    The same stuff being being repeated over and over by the same people.

    I'm not using that name today because I'd like to continue posting with that name.

    Lets get our acts together people, and start some proper topics here and lets keep those topics away from thongs ok!


    I'm hoping I don't have to write under this name again.
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    Am I the only one who has noticed that thongs are being mentioned FAR more by those posters who claim they are only interested in the purely horse related threads written by the old gang?


    Everyone else, including the moderators of the COTH, seem to be able to get past the silliness and love this board for it's fairness and consideration of those who come here BECAUSE they have an over riding interest in HORSES.

    Now they are even acting like COLIN, using alter egos to hide behind but, unlike Colin, there is no other reason for the behavior than a childish, foot stomping temper tantrum.

    I don't let my filly get away with that behavior, much less my own child. Sticks and stones, people! I haven't heard so much elementary fussing in a long time. "I'm taking my dolls and going home, so there" seems to be a popular reaction here. The very posters they are blasting are becoming models of decorum [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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    Bravo Robby!

    Might I add the Ground Rules that I use for facilitating meetings with grumpy executives:

    1. Focus on the issue, situation, or problem, NOT the person.

    2. Maintain the self-esteem and self-confidence of others.

    3. Maintain constructive relationships.

    4. Lead by example.

    5. Take the initiative to make things better.

    My bill for consulting fees will follow.

    (Reference: Zenger-Miller's "Basic Principles for a Collaborative Workplace")



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeb:
    Bravo Robby!

    Might I add the Ground Rules that I use for facilitating meetings with grumpy executives:

    1. Focus on the issue, situation, or problem, NOT the person.

    2. Maintain the self-esteem and self-confidence of others.

    3. Maintain constructive relationships.

    4. Lead by example.

    5. Take the initiative to make things better.

    My bill for consulting fees will follow.

    (Reference: Zenger-Miller's "Basic Principles for a Collaborative Workplace")
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    Purely used with grumpy executives:

    6. Start the meeting off letting them know your balls are bigger even if you do wear them on your chest. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    I've found it saves much time and energy and makes it easier for all to focus on the issue at hand.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
    [B]

    . . . there is no other reason for the behavior than a childish, foot stomping temper tantrum.

    B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You've nailed that one on the head, ETBW.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slugger:
    Purely used with grumpy executives:

    6. Start the meeting off letting them know your balls are bigger even if you do wear them on your chest. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    I've found it saves much time and energy and makes it easier for all to focus on the issue at hand.
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    LOL, but, honestly, I have to add a BLECH in there too. Your #6 only perpetuates the p*ss*ng match mentality. It's about equality. Or at least communicating in a manner that leads others to believe that! (What I call my "tell someone to go to H-e-double-L and make them ask for directions" approach!)

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
    LOL, but, honestly, I have to add a BLECH in there too. Your #6 only perpetuates the p*ss*ng match mentality. It's about equality. Or at least communicating in a manner that leads others to believe that! (What I call my "tell someone to go to H-e-double-L and make them ask for directions" approach!)

    Robby

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    I understand why you would think that. The reality of the situation is that I am a fairly youngish blonde woman playing in what is, sadly, still a man's world on Wall Street. I start out with the cards stacked against me when it comes to being taken seriously. From the get-go, I march in with an "I'm not here to screw around" attitude in an attempt to level the playing field. Once I've dispelled any notion of accepting patronization, things fall into place, and we can all [figuratively] put "it" back in our pants.

    Oddly enough, I encounter an equal amount, perhaps even more, of an "I'm not going to take you seriously" superior attitude from older female executives as I do from male executives. I used the term "balls" as an encompassing term for attitude; this message contains no porn content. <joke>



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    Where is Ply, Washington?

    I love Tim's and Poutine [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img], but thongs I admit are not my cup of tea, therefore I avoid those threads.

    I hope you all have a great weekend [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img].



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    Just curious--because I find this really, really fascinating--but, well, does anyone know if there is something like a "life cycle" for BBs? DO they go through stages? Is it cyclical or just a one-way track to oblivion? Anyone here an internet expert or does anyone have experience with the "cycles" of other BBs?

    This is the only BB I read, except for towerheads occasionally, and that one seems pretty consistent--but I think it is kept that way intentionally by its moderators. I've skipped through a few other BBs on occasion and it seems that, except for Towerheads, the ones where someone tries to impose too many restrictions don't have very healthy numbers.

    So I suppose we who hate silly threads should still be grateful for them, since the freedom which enables them to exist at least keeps this BBs numbers up there.
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    Funny you should ask PWynn... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    I used to run an e-mail mailing list for a band, way back in the dark ages of the Internet, before BBs existed... and before E-Groups or OneList existed, so it was a pain in the butt to even find a way to host the thing. I eventually conned a friend of an email friend into hosting it on his university's server.

    After killing myself to get the thing working and to get people discussing things, the "core group" of dedicated fans kind of got overrun by a bunch of 13-year-olds who wanted to discuss how cute the lead singer was. *sigh*

    During a rather heated tiff on the list [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] someone sent me this:

    THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS

    Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

    1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

    2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

    3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

    4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

    5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).

    6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).

    OR

    6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).


    Funny how true-to-life this has been for just about every list/BB I've ever been on. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]



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    Erin, that's amazing!

    So...will it be 6a or 6b for the COTH BB?

    [This message has been edited by Bertie (edited 12-02-2000).]



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