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    I know but this is mid-tennessee. A lot of businesses depend on the profit from the Celebration week. They have turned their heads so long they must have a permanent crick in their necks.



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    It would appear that ALL divisions of the TWH are going to take a hit. When the media are unable to differentiate between plantation and big lick (no reason for them to know), then the readers will lump all TWH's in the same stew.

    I hope the crusade against ABUSE goes forth without the trapings regarding equipment as the focal point removing the cautic burning soring chemicals from the headline.

    To those who are not familar with horses it is easier for them to hate a chain or a roller than it is to hate an unseen chemical.

    I do understand the reason to remove chains etc FROM THE SHOW RING but that is easily handled by stating in the class specs NO CHAINS, NO ?X?>Z or whatever else is used to rub against the sore skin, in addition to no chemicals.

    We do not use chains in the show ring (nor rollers) however I do use them, as stated, in conjunction WITH TRAINING.

    Always remember one ban leads to another. For those of you involved in the breed perhaps this is the time to exert pressure on your breed association. I would think they would be willing to listen compared to ongoing bad publicity



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara in TN View Post
    if we are to hold him up as a paragon of virtue for flat shod animals we should mention both the pad and the tail set I think..

    Tamara
    I believe it was a fake tail "bustle" - at least it looks like that. And the explanations are made by them for all to read.

    They took a brave stand. They stood up. They made history. Can't take it away or diminish it ... though people continue to try.

    Accolades to the Jacksons (along with some thanks) are well deserved.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    Tamara - the only way he could enter the performance class was with that one minimal pad. That is the only way he could have been allowed in the class. That resulted in a rule change the next year so that an unstacked horse could never show in that performance class again. They closed up that loophole.

    You know that - im just posting for those that dont.
    yes. I know.
    And I thought it was moral lowering then, as now.

    anyway,I hope the whole Basin reaps the whirlwind they have created for themselves.

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    As to all gaited horse shows taking "a hit" - I say tuff ta-tas.

    ANd here is why I totally agree on removing all action devices from GAITED HORSES in the show ring: without these devices, there is not a horse alive that will squat and crawl as they like unless it is sored.

    And specially not a 2 or 3 year old just under saddle.

    No need to ban action devices on trotting horses - cause a troting horse will not trot higher when the fronts are sored.

    The only solution is to get tougher HPA laws.



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    Right Fairfax - and actually easier to do it internally as it should have been done decades ago. It never would have escalated to this point if the TWHBEA and HIOs had addressed the problems.



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    You know, soring and action devices aside, the movement that some have come to believe is desirable is devastating to the horse's body in and of itself. IOW, even if there were a "humane" way to achieve the BL gait, that way of going demolishes the back and all joints, front and hind. Horses just aren't meant to sit on their asses and crawl along, flinging their front limbs hither and yon. I've seen countless BL horses after they can no longer "perform" and the only word for the condition they're in at the end of their "show careers" is NAUSEATING. Crippled doesn't even begin to describe them.
    As for the "keep it on the inside" method of stopping the abuse, if that were going to be effective, it would have been. Maybe TWH's WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it?? Yes, they've been a tradition in the south. So was slavery, cockfighting and a number of othery unsavory passtimes. When is the American south going to stop being the embodiment of ignorance, cruelty and stubbornness??
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    I hear ya but TWHs will never go away. Just too many passionate TWH admirers who appreciate the glide ride of a good TWH. Numbers might even increase if the abusive practices were banned and showing could become more fun and family oriented. I am a trail rider and i can say for sure the number of gaited horses on the trail has grown by leaps and bounds in the last decade alone.



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    No TWH's won't go but Big Lick can end tomorrow if people refuse to sponsor or watch it. It's an ugly, unnatural, way of going. Big Lick is not beautiful to watch, in fact, I can't. I did Saddlebreds for years and would like to see the padding go away from them too. These horses are electric and exciting all on there own!!



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    I was speaking to the TWHBEA's own assertion that doing away with the BL classes/horses will herald the death of the breed altogether.
    "Absent a correct diagnosis, medicine is poison, surgery is trauma and alternative therapy is witchcraft" A. Kent Allen
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleycane View Post

    They took a brave stand. They stood up. They made history. Can't take it away or diminish it ... though people continue to try.

    Accolades to the Jacksons (along with some thanks) are well deserved.
    I agree wholeheartedly. My heart swelled when I saw that video and I can't imagine what mom was feeling - both pride and terror. That was a huge effort to make change in a world where change is resented and even punished. They're heroes.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    I hear ya but TWHs will never go away. Just too many passionate TWH admirers who appreciate the glide ride of a good TWH. Numbers might even increase if the abusive practices were banned and showing could become more fun and family oriented. I am a trail rider and i can say for sure the number of gaited horses on the trail has grown by leaps and bounds in the last decade alone.
    I'm ashamed to admit it, but I don't ever consider TWH's because of what I know about the Association. I don't mean to say I don't think a TWH is a beautiful animal - I do - but I just can't get past what the association that represents the breed and what it supports. For this same reason I haven't contacted the AQHA about the papers I just got for my new mare. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just admitting what the Registries' represent *to me* and how it influences the way I make decisions - consciously or not.



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    Thanks for pointing out how wrong they are Jackie
    Last edited by WalkInTheWoods; May. 20, 2012 at 12:40 PM. Reason: doh forgot word



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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    Thanks for pointing out how wrong they are Jackie


    Um, how did I do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    I hear ya but TWHs will never go away. Just too many passionate TWH admirers who appreciate the glide ride of a good TWH. Numbers might even increase if the abusive practices were banned and showing could become more fun and family oriented. I am a trail rider and i can say for sure the number of gaited horses on the trail has grown by leaps and bounds in the last decade alone.
    QFT! (quoted for truth)

    The first horse I bought on my own at age 15 was a black grandson of Merry Go Boy in 1974. My dad was an ASB guy, however I loved the TWH. In those days the TWH was shown with the ASB on the same circuit. I did not know of the soring phenom until my Dad 'splained it to me. I was as horrified then as I am now.

    They have gone from mechanical soring to chemical soring and now back to mechanical. Unfortunately pads hide pressure shoeing. Pulling every shoe does not seem feasible.

    Does anyone have a play by play of the events the last 50 years?

    Oh BTW even though as an adult I was/am an ASB gal. I have nearly always owned a TWH. Even though my current horse was probably never sored (he did come from KY) after 5 years of gentle loving handling my TWH still cringes and bends into a C if you move to fast. I'm just now able to bridle him normally and touch his ears and poll.

    ETA I have not nor will not belong to the TWHBEA or the SSH. Still have the transfer but will not give them any money. My feelings are the same for the ASHA these days. I will not renew my nearly 30 years membership when it runs out this year. ( I will miss the data base however.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue View Post
    Um, how did I do that?
    Sorry i took took your abhorance of BL to the next step - got you mixed up with other posters who think the breed numbers will not suffer is BL is abolished. (the coffe stopped working a while ago) lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by hundredacres View Post
    I agree wholeheartedly. My heart swelled when I saw that video and I can't imagine what mom was feeling - both pride and terror. That was a huge effort to make change in a world where change is resented and even punished. They're heroes.



    I'm ashamed to admit it, but I don't ever consider TWH's because of what I know about the Association. I don't mean to say I don't think a TWH is a beautiful animal - I do - but I just can't get past what the association that represents the breed and what it supports. For this same reason I haven't contacted the AQHA about the papers I just got for my new mare. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just admitting what the Registries' represent *to me* and how it influences the way I make decisions - consciously or not.
    Spot on!!!! Most folks who own a papered TWH almost immediately feel the need to explain how they do not sore etc their horse when asked what registry it is. And I know a few TWH people who are cross registering their horses s KMSH (Kentucky Mountain Horse) cause the TWH has such a bad name and they market better as mounain horses.

    Mountain horse - good. Tennessee Walking Horse - bad.

    Though mountain horses and walking horses are very closely related.

    If the market is going-going-gone for the TWHBEA (the legal registry of the Tennessee Walking Horse breed) - they have no one to blame but themselves.

    I always thought it was a shame the NWH (National Walking Horse) association lost its legal fight with TWHBEA when it tried to establish a separate "No Stacks" registry for the TWH.

    Cause the TWH breed is every bit as nice as the next pleasure horse. It just finds itsself in the wrong hands right now.



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    hundredacres - wonder how many unregistered horses are there because ppl are boycotting breed registries- or how many owners have dropped memberhip after registration papers were transferred/finalized.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleycane View Post
    Spot on!!!! Most folks who own a papered TWH almost immediately feel the need to explain how they do not sore etc their horse when asked what registry it is. And I know a few TWH people who are cross registering their horses s KMSH (Kentucky Mountain Horse) cause the TWH has such a bad name and they market better as mounain horses.

    Mountain horse - good. Tennessee Walking Horse - bad.

    Though mountain horses and walking horses are very closely related.

    If the market is going-going-gone for the TWHBEA (the legal registry of the Tennessee Walking Horse breed) - they have no one to blame but themselves.

    I always thought it was a shame the NWH (National Walking Horse) association lost its legal fight with TWHBEA when it tried to establish a separate "No Stacks" registry for the TWH.

    Cause the TWH breed is every bit as nice as the next pleasure horse. It just finds itsself in the wrong hands right now.
    ^^^^^ THIS



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    PS - We need a gaited forum. One day.... I mean they got western in right?



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    I don't think the TWHA realizes the untapped potential that awaits them if they move into the Brave New World of the natural animal. If they'd ban stacks and BL, I'd look at owning TWH's in a new light. They think their money is in the BL? I believe they're sorely wrong.....I think their money would be in the many people like me who would only support a registry that puts the natural gifts of the breed first. They need to fire every single judge and trainer who partakes in barbarianism and look forward in a new way. It's a versatile horse from what I read.......why not promote the hell out of the diversity and close the book on the past.



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