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  1. #1421
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    Where ever there is a show of anything, there will be those who want to win so badly they destroy or injure their competition be it a model car, a dog show, horse show etc. This was one of the reasons security guards became a standard piece of show equipment for many high ranking stables.

    For those of you who are directly involved with the TWH breed, how many have travelled to the state capitol to speak with the Governor? How many have booked appointments to visit with the Congress representative?

    You might not be able to see the exact person however you will be able to visit withsome one close to them. All the huffing and puffing on the internet or letters to an editor do not carry a lot of impact.

    Any emails or letters from outside the U.S. are not counted so it must come from within.

    Emails do not carry the same impact as a letter which does not carry the same as a visit. With pictures.

    The usual excuse from individuals is MONEY...why should they have to spend their own? You do! Even if it is just for your gas money.

    A peaceful demonstration with large signage is also effective but that takes organization and will power to see it happen. Anti Abortion groups readily protest clinics or pro life facilities.

    Offer your services to your local government rep to become involved in the process.

    If you just leave it up to someone else you will be disappointed and very sorry.

    You MUST have hands on involvement.

    Otherwise it is just the same Hot Air that has been blown for the past 25 years...



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    Originally Posted by JackieBlue

    Maybe TWH's WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it??


    Doubt it, since the majority of the TWH's out there aren't sored, aren't shown with the BL crowds... It will, however, cause some restructuring in contmeporary breed standards, which is a good thing... get back to basics, with excellent inborn gait, temperment, bone, intelligence. This is the most phenomenal breed. I, for one, am not going to jump ship and abandon this unique breed because of some scumsuckers in middle TN, and I, thankfully, am not alone in this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scrtwh View Post
    Originally Posted by JackieBlue

    Maybe TWH's WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it??


    Doubt it, since the majority of the TWH's out there aren't sored, aren't shown with the BL crowds... It will, however, cause some restructuring in contmeporary breed standards, which is a good thing... get back to basics, with excellent inborn gait, temperment, bone, intelligence. This is the most phenomenal breed. I, for one, am not going to jump ship and abandon this unique breed because of some scumsuckers in middle TN, and I, thankfully, am not alone in this.
    You most definately are not alone. To say the TWH will go away if the BL does, is preposturous, too many good points to the breed appreciated by too many.



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    things did happen in the 1960/1970,to win the Big WGC @ the celebration. riders hurt judges bought,people framed. death yes even DEATH.

    the Dixie Maffia its alive and well even today.



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    Yes things DID happen. It was not uncommon to have two or even three grooms sleeping in the aisles in front of hot BL contenders' stalls-- either to protect them from harm or to keep nosey people from seeing them lying in the stalls groaning-- who knows which and maybe a little of both?

    I know we were "threatened" in a very polite way that would have been hard to prove as a "threat." But since we didn't have property in TN, the threat was pretty empty as far as we could see-- but then you never know.

    For sure they could "fix it" so that your horses didn't win when they should have. THAT was so common that it hardly raised an eyebrow. Sometimes you would hear someone mutter something like, "Guess he didn't have his politics right." And you knew they were not talking abut Republicans and Democarts.
    Last edited by bayou_bengal; Jun. 19, 2012 at 02:17 AM.



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    folks just had another JD and said guess it wornt his turn to win ya reckon,which really meant that he had not paid his dues. or was not part of the in gang. grooms and handlers could make a living fixing other horse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by walknsound View Post
    You most definately are not alone. To say the TWH will go away if the BL does, is preposturous, too many good points to the breed appreciated by too many.
    Right on. Walkers were around before there was a TWHBEA and before the Big Yuck- as another poster so rightly called the gait-- and they will be around long after this BL stuff is FINALLY just a very bad memory.



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    How many of you who are directly involved have booked appointments to see your legal representatives for the state you live in?

    You can explain the intimidation during your meeting and explain that is why folks are fearful to become involved.

    Bottom Line: Posting and Pontificating is not going to change anything

    You must ACT.



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    i believe some have been in the trenches of this matter for a very long time.and until Jackie the Jerk gave his cameo appearance.people in the other breeds didn't believe something like that went on.

    Now they can help STOP this horrid practice. they can help write letters they can go to rallys and when asked are there any Questions,let them Stand up in front of a hundred voters,with pictures of these abused horses let them ask the Sen/Rep (which ever) WHEN WILL YOU HELP STOP THE ABUSE OF THE TWH, i have done this untill they say oh its you again. and i say yes its me and i will not stop until YOU GET OFF YOUR FANNY AND HELP THESE HORSES. letters phone calls,you name it



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    http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/6/2...Galloping.aspx

    Roy Exum: Horse Trainers Now Galloping
    Friday, June 22, 2012 - by Roy Exum

    Roy Exum The Tennessee Veterinarians Association, which includes almost 1,000 licensed practitioners in the state, came out with a strongly-worded document Wednesday “expressing support and encouragement of further investigation into the use of action devices and performance packages in the training and showing of Tennessee Walking Horses.”

    In doing so the formidable group of active state veterinarians joins the two high-profile national groups that have already castigated the walking horse industry -- The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and the American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) – and the resulting worldwide outcry clearly has the SHOW Celebration, which is well-known for the fiefdom they have built in tiny Shelbyville, Tn.

    , on the run, if not an out-and-out gallop.

    The malicious and criminal acts that have permeated the walking horse industry for at least 50 years and included thousands of violations of the 1972 federal Horse Protection Act, have been hooted down by the industry’s insiders but now four horsemen have pleaded guilty and are awaiting criminal charges stemming from sickening abuse. And everybody in the industry admits this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Demands to stem the systematic and widespread practice of soring the hoses, which enhance the “Big Lick” of steps as the horses perform, have been ignored and gone unanswered by the Celebration officials since a scathing undercover video was shown on the ABC news show, Dateline, two months ago, but last week the industry’s chief organizers created a new initiative group to curb consistent abuse of show animals.

    The troubling part is that the U.S. Department of Agriculture has viable proof that fewer citations are given by the SHOW group’s inspectors than by USDA veterinarians and the widespread belief is that a tough cop isn’t employed for very long by Celebration partisans where money is king. For example, of the Top Trainers of the year for the past 10 years, they have 55 violations of the Horse Protection Act on file.

    In the current Riders Cup competition, the top 20 trainers had 161 violations in just the last two years alone and a quick check of the Tennessee Walking Horse Trainer’s Association itself shows that 14 members of the board have a total of 72 violations of the federal Horse Protection Act. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!

    On Tuesday, the Nashville Tennessean had a pointed story that the Walking Horse industry based in Shelbyville has done little to polish its increasingly tarnished image. The group has just introduced a lightly-regarded swabbing method of detecting caustic agents placed on the horse’s front legs. They say that anyone caught would face a two-week suspension of the license, public disclosure of their names and a “request” that other shows uphold the two-week penalty. The proposed penalty is absolutely ludicrous to those who are eager to end the horrid practice for good.

    Instead, new laws are being drafted on the state and federal level that will put far more bite into what will become a felony on July 1, but the Celebration crowd’s message – a two-week suspension – wants no part in rigorous rules that will send unscrupulous trainers and their sadistic sidekicks to jail or harm their businesses, as shallow as some may well be.

    Jackie McConnell, who was revered in the Walking horse industry and a member of its Hall of Fame before the undercover video reminded others he has had at least 13 violations in the 40 years he has trained horses, is set to go to trial on state charges of animal cruelty in Fayetteville, Tn., next week but the better hope for vengeance will come on Sept. 12 in Federal Court in Chattanooga. He has already pleaded guilty.

    Further, when federal charges were brought in the Eastern District of Tennessee earlier this year, it marked the very first time the Horse Protection Act has been prosecuted and federal attorneys suspect there will be more instances where animal abuse will be dealt with by both state and federal prosecutors.

    Winky Groover, a Shelbyville trainer who has freely admitted he sored horses in the past but no longer does so, said recently, “We’ve been concerned with the swabbing results that the government (USDA) has been putting out and the Humane Society’s been putting out. We’re wanting to do something to prove that this horse can show and be sound and is not being abused. We’re trying to save our industry.”

    The telling phrase, of course, is “we are trying to save our industry,” which shows the 98 percent of “clean” walking horse people now have the louts on the run. With the Tennessee Veterinary Association now “fully on board” and national groups bearing down on those who would cheat, it seems some widespread changes will soon be implemented on behalf of the gentle and graceful horses that are intertwined throughout American history.

    Keith Dane, the head of equine services for the Humane Society, will undergo a "closed hearing” in Lewisburg tomorrow to determine if he should retain his seat on the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeds and Exhibitors Board. There are some who are angry he made the video public and the outcome of the hearing will have widespread repercussions throughout the horse industry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/6/2...Galloping.aspx

    Roy Exum: Horse Trainers Now Galloping
    Friday, June 22, 2012 - by Roy Exum

    Roy Exum The Tennessee Veterinarians Association, which includes almost 1,000 licensed practitioners in the state, came out with a strongly-worded document Wednesday “expressing support and encouragement of further investigation into the use of action devices and performance packages in the training and showing of Tennessee Walking Horses.”

    In doing so the formidable group of active state veterinarians joins the two high-profile national groups that have already castigated the walking horse industry -- The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and the American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) – and the resulting worldwide outcry clearly has the SHOW Celebration, which is well-known for the fiefdom they have built in tiny Shelbyville, Tn.

    , on the run, if not an out-and-out gallop.

    The malicious and criminal acts that have permeated the walking horse industry for at least 50 years and included thousands of violations of the 1972 federal Horse Protection Act, have been hooted down by the industry’s insiders but now four horsemen have pleaded guilty and are awaiting criminal charges stemming from sickening abuse. And everybody in the industry admits this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Demands to stem the systematic and widespread practice of soring the hoses, which enhance the “Big Lick” of steps as the horses perform, have been ignored and gone unanswered by the Celebration officials since a scathing undercover video was shown on the ABC news show, Dateline, two months ago, but last week the industry’s chief organizers created a new initiative group to curb consistent abuse of show animals.

    The troubling part is that the U.S. Department of Agriculture has viable proof that fewer citations are given by the SHOW group’s inspectors than by USDA veterinarians and the widespread belief is that a tough cop isn’t employed for very long by Celebration partisans where money is king. For example, of the Top Trainers of the year for the past 10 years, they have 55 violations of the Horse Protection Act on file.

    In the current Riders Cup competition, the top 20 trainers had 161 violations in just the last two years alone and a quick check of the Tennessee Walking Horse Trainer’s Association itself shows that 14 members of the board have a total of 72 violations of the federal Horse Protection Act. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!

    On Tuesday, the Nashville Tennessean had a pointed story that the Walking Horse industry based in Shelbyville has done little to polish its increasingly tarnished image. The group has just introduced a lightly-regarded swabbing method of detecting caustic agents placed on the horse’s front legs. They say that anyone caught would face a two-week suspension of the license, public disclosure of their names and a “request” that other shows uphold the two-week penalty. The proposed penalty is absolutely ludicrous to those who are eager to end the horrid practice for good.

    Instead, new laws are being drafted on the state and federal level that will put far more bite into what will become a felony on July 1, but the Celebration crowd’s message – a two-week suspension – wants no part in rigorous rules that will send unscrupulous trainers and their sadistic sidekicks to jail or harm their businesses, as shallow as some may well be.

    Jackie McConnell, who was revered in the Walking horse industry and a member of its Hall of Fame before the undercover video reminded others he has had at least 13 violations in the 40 years he has trained horses, is set to go to trial on state charges of animal cruelty in Fayetteville, Tn., next week but the better hope for vengeance will come on Sept. 12 in Federal Court in Chattanooga. He has already pleaded guilty.

    Further, when federal charges were brought in the Eastern District of Tennessee earlier this year, it marked the very first time the Horse Protection Act has been prosecuted and federal attorneys suspect there will be more instances where animal abuse will be dealt with by both state and federal prosecutors.

    Winky Groover, a Shelbyville trainer who has freely admitted he sored horses in the past but no longer does so, said recently, “We’ve been concerned with the swabbing results that the government (USDA) has been putting out and the Humane Society’s been putting out. We’re wanting to do something to prove that this horse can show and be sound and is not being abused. We’re trying to save our industry.”

    The telling phrase, of course, is “we are trying to save our industry,” which shows the 98 percent of “clean” walking horse people now have the louts on the run. With the Tennessee Veterinary Association now “fully on board” and national groups bearing down on those who would cheat, it seems some widespread changes will soon be implemented on behalf of the gentle and graceful horses that are intertwined throughout American history.

    Keith Dane, the head of equine services for the Humane Society, will undergo a "closed hearing” in Lewisburg tomorrow to determine if he should retain his seat on the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeds and Exhibitors Board. There are some who are angry he made the video public and the outcome of the hearing will have widespread repercussions throughout the horse industry.
    Thanks for posting.



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    With the Tennessee Veterinarians Association on board maybe they will start cracking down within their own ranks and start putting pressure on their peers who keep clients with sore horses. Lots of people enable these jerks, from their vets to their farriers and on down the line.



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    I sure hope so. The alphabet soup is thickening.


    Roy says that Keith Dane's closed door meeting with TWHBEA is tomorrow. I wonder if there was a change or if he has his dates mixed up.



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    Story and graphic pics of a sored up 3 year old taken recently.

    http://forthetnwalkinghorse.blogspot...os-pop-up.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by walknsound View Post
    Thanks for posting.
    Roy might want to rein in his rhetoric just a bit.

    The desire for "vengeance" (his word) is dangerous. The South has a long history of lynching. Let's not legalize it.

    Second, there were criminal prosecutions under the HPA in the early '70s. They were not successful (evidence issues, IIRC). That's when the emphasis shifted to a "civil" process where the Rules of Evidence are less rigorous. Indeed, the current process is "administrative" where the rules are even less stringent. The successful prosecution of McConnell is to be lauded, as it's the first successful prosecution under the HPA.

    The actions of the TN Vets. are significant as they are the folks "on the ground" involved in animal care. Just what kind of "rule making" they will engage in remains to be seen. Of the vets. I've used regularly over the years, all the private practitioners refused to provide routine care to Big Lick barns. They would provide emergency care in a life-threatening situation. The only facility that I deal with that also provides routine care to the Big Lick crowd is the University of TN Large Animal Clinic. They have also been the recipients of large donations from some Big Lick barns over the years (wall plaques and photos memorialize them). Personally, I wish they wouldn't, but I don't rule the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post
    Story and graphic pics of a sored up 3 year old taken recently.

    http://forthetnwalkinghorse.blogspot...os-pop-up.html
    A trainer actually came out of the woodwork, shared photos and information?

    Maybe all this public scrutiny has people that were formerly afraid to speak out feeling a little empowered. Hope this trend catches on.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkInTheWoods View Post

    Roy Exum The Tennessee Veterinarians Association, which includes almost 1,000 licensed practitioners in the state, came out with a strongly-worded document Wednesday “expressing support and encouragement of further investigation into the use of action devices and performance packages in the training and showing of Tennessee Walking Horses.”

    Applause!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
    A trainer actually came out of the woodwork, shared photos and information?

    Maybe all this public scrutiny has people that were formerly afraid to speak out feeling a little empowered. Hope this trend catches on.
    Yes. He could bear the responsibility if 'caught' with this mare he did not sore...it would appear landrum did. Prepare for musical chairs as torn up horses get moved around ..
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    My MY this STOP SORING ISSUE is still alive. and from da writing on the wall growing. Tennessee Vets want their name to go down as anti action devices,stacking what will ole Doyle say now.

    more flies in the TWH ointment than twhbea will be able to get out or maybe i should say the CELEBRATION,

    as far as those torn-up horses the HORSES for HEROS maybe look for a FEW GOOD HORSES,so don't count them out yet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by aarpaso View Post
    My MY this STOP SORING ISSUE is still alive. and from da writing on the wall growing. Tennessee Vets want their name to go down as anti action devices,stacking what will ole Doyle say now.

    more flies in the TWH ointment than twhbea will be able to get out or maybe i should say the CELEBRATION,

    as far as those torn-up horses the HORSES for HEROS maybe look for a FEW GOOD HORSES,so don't count them out yet.
    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...against-soring



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