[deltawave]

Whenever I see that word in "quotes" I am reminded of a slightly crazy "cardiologist" who is (I kid you not) from Transylvania. Complete with wonderful Transylvanian accent. He was a bit of a madman, and used to remind everyone, when challenged, that he was a "board certified cardiologist who had not parachuted into this position", with a variety of colorful expletives. Still cracks me up completely to think of it, and when we were fellows we used to have competitions to see who could imitate him the best. My username is even a nod to his inimitable way of saying the disorder for which delta waves are known in his remarkably cool accent. Thanks for reminding me!

[ACMEeventing]

Whenever I see that word in "quotes" I am reminded of a slightly crazy "cardiologist" who is (I kid you not) from Transylvania. Complete with wonderful Transylvanian accent. He was a bit of a madman, and used to remind everyone, when challenged, that he was a "board certified cardiologist who had not parachuted into this position", with a variety of colorful expletives. Still cracks me up completely to think of it, and when we were fellows we used to have competitions to see who could imitate him the best. My username is even a nod to his inimitable way of saying the disorder for which delta waves are known in his remarkably cool accent. Thanks for reminding me!

Was it "Volf-Parkinson Vite"?

(and then I hear the ah-ah-ah of The Count from Sesame Street)

[deltawave]

Yes, or he'd simply use the abbreviation "DOBBLE you pee DOBBBBBLE you", and now I'm giggling hysterically.

[ACMEeventing]

Yes, or he'd simply use the abbreviation "DOBBLE you pee DOBBBBBLE you", and now I'm giggling hysterically.

Then you must be on drugs.

ah-ah-ahhhh . . .

[CarrieK]

Mods, for all things that are good and pure in this world, PLEASE stop the madness. It is not even one mili-mol horse related anymore.

Aw c'mon now! I always keep on-topic!! That musical clip I posted a bit ago came from the Marx Brothers' movie "Horsefeathers."

[SwampYankee]

To all o'ya pill-droppin' stoners on this thread--whether legally mentally ill or not, including y'all who've gotten so depressed, anxious, panicky, or schnocked-up in the Star Box ya cain't even read it:

Just remember every time you refill that li'l ol' prescription, you're feeding my Landed Gentry lifestyle. 'Cause The Swamp's got stock in Astra-Zeneca, too! Downton Abbey, here we come!! Whoooo-OOO!

So keep right on a-washin' your Zocor down with your Super-Size Coke, and don't forget that Xanax 60 minutes before Dressage. 250 mg., if I recall . . . . an' works better w/beer!

Cheerio, kids!

Cue "Dark Star" playing in the background . . . haaaay, WOW, dude!

[JER]

Can someone summarize this thread?

Yes. In short, it's enough to make you reach for the bottle.

[retreadeventer]

Well, sheesh. Is it worth getting my 5,000th post over?

[dreaminOTTB]

No.

[Western]

...Just remember every time you refill that li'l ol' prescription, you're feeding my Landed Gentry lifestyle...

So, you want people wake up, to take care of themselves by not popping pills/eating right, etc., but you'll profit off of those who continue to pop pills? What's the diff between that & the tobacco industry's friendly warning on the side of the pack?

[deltawave]

I think our dear SY was peeved that the attention had moved on from her argument-with-nobody and felt that the pot needed another quick stir.

Sadly, Xanax and Zocor (or rather their non-brand name equivalents) have been generic for AGES.

[JackieBlue]

Only one problem with "Eat less, move more." It won't work for almost everyone. Hence the obesity problem we have. If it worked, we'd all be a nation of fitness gods and goddesses by now, and DW would be a vet injecting hocks.

How wrong you are, SY. Burning more calories than you consume is THE ONLY WAY ANYONE loses weight. Well, unless they give birth or lose a limb. The only reason that people think "eat less, move more" won't work for them is that they won't or don't commit to the full program. Which is to "eat less" and "move more". What you choose to eat makes a huge difference as far as nutrition and metabolism are concerned, but for weight loss, only calories consumed and calories burned really play a role. Sadly, the reason the Eat Less, Move More program doesn't work for most Americans is because we have a rampant fork-to-mouth problem in this country. But I'll try not to go there.





The "Calories in--Calories out" hypothesis, and that's all it ever was, has been completely debunked. That science that did so is unassailable; indeed, it's the ONLY science worthy of the name in existence. The way our bodies convert food into energy is far, far more complex than the First Law of Thermodynamics. That idea is a relic of the 19th century. And it's not like the Loyal Opposition hasn't had 75 years or so to prove it. You've never been able to. Fact.



Well, no. You're wrong again, SY. And I can assure you that I'm better versed in the "Fact" regarding metabolism. But those selling you your beliefs have been very successful and are happily profiting off of your willingness to follow their lead. Just an aside, the First Law of Thermodynamics speaks to the conservation of energy. And it's pretty much absolute, unless you've found a way to make something from nothing. In which case you'd be the one with the books, websites and loyal zealots!
You're right in one way, though. Metabolism is much more complicated than any single law of thermo, kinetics or any other school of thought. But unless you burn more calories than you consume, you won't lose weight. Period.


The brain DOES NOT require 125 gm. of carb-derived glucose to function. It does just fine, arguably BETTER, on glucose converted from the protein present in a low-carb diet. Fact.

1. I didn't the brain needs 125 grams of carb-derived glucose to function. I said it requires 150 grams of carbohydrates to fuel normal metabolic processes. And I stand by it.

2. Glucose, no matter how it's "derived" is ALWAYS the same molecule! Glucose = C6H12O6. My point, by mentioning that amino acids can be used to synthesize intermediates in the TCA cycle (where the carbons and oxygens from glucose end up after glycolysis, typically), was not to suggest that glucose is being made there. 'Cause it's not. I was pointing out that the body does not rely solely on beta-oxidation of fatty acids for energy when carbs are limited. The body can easily fund the TCA cycle with amino acids, so much less fat burning is actually happening than the Atkins gang would like to admit.



Ketoacidosis and Ketosis are not the same thing, that's a beginner's mistake many MD's make and a common myth.
FACT.


Never said they were. Ketone bodies are acids. This mains they lower the pH of solutions in which they reside. Ketosis = presence of abnormally high levels of ketone bodies in the blood. Ketoacidosis = enough ketone bodies in the blood to lower pH and wreak serious havoc on organs and tissues. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
As far as your body is concerned, the Atkins diet is an act of willful starvation. None of your tissues are celebrating that.





To those unfamiliar: All we're really talking about here is eliminating sugar, high-fructose corn syrup, all drinks and processed products made with those, as well as breads, potatoes, dried fruit, and dessert items from your diet. IOW, anything made with industrially-refined sugars and grains. For the rest, you can eat ANYTHING you want in ANY quantity you want, as long as it's something your great-grandmother would recognize as "Food." Meats, fish, eggs, nuts, dairy, and as many green, leafy vegetables as you can stuff in your face. You'll discover you feel full extremely quickly; you may even forget to have meals. There's more to it than that; Omega 3 vs. 6 balance, eliminating endocrine disruptors, but the above is the least you need to know to get started. Wanna fit in those gorgeous new Pikeurs?

I sincerely hope that the majority of people are more concerned with their long term health than with their pants size. I wouldn't give a rats hind parts about how great I look in my breeches if I learned that I had heart disease or high cholesterol or kidney failure as the result of following a fad diet. There are many other ways to lose weight without putting your health in jeopardy.


Now here's a site all you high-performance Eventing athletes should find very interesting, particularly if you'd rather be walking your course than eating horse-show swill out of some roach coach because you're "hitting the wall" after Dressage:

http://waroninsulin.com/

As for you, DW, in all your assassinations of the messengers here, you haven't actually refuted very much that I've said. What you HAVE admitted is the following:

(1) You yourself are not well--on meds for lipid malfunction.


Can you please define "lipid malfunction" for me?

(2) In your job you see mostly very sick people.

Maybe if they'd stayed off the Atkins diet they wouldn't require the services of a cardiologist! You, yourself, don't participate in preventive medicine, but you seem to think it's odd that DW sees sick patients? Perhaps some of her patients wouldn't visit with DW if they'd discovered their maladies sooner.

(3) You are only able to provide them with damage control.
(4) Their insurance companies do not reimburse for counseling on prevention.



That's a pretty generalized statement and it's just not true.


Well, if it isn't working, you don't do MORE of it, HARDER. You try something ELSE. And I well realize those who've been overeducated in reductio-ad-absurdum have a hard time admitting the forest is actually composed of trees.

Wha???

We all know the system is on the verge of going broke. Americans are fatter and sicker, and dare I say dumber n' uglier every day. You say 20% of our youth are now medicated to be able to attend school? YA THINK some of this could be dietary? If a low-carb diet, excluding all of the things which contain empty calories but none of those the body needs for cell membrane integrity and neurological function, and which does not require office visits, blood tests, support groups, or medication could keep, conservatively, 70% of people from EVER getting Type 2 diabetes, shouldn't it at least be on the table?



Sure. But I imagine, if educated properly, most folks would choose the diet plan that's the least detrimental to their overall health. Laziness and lack of willpower, paired with ignorance, is what fuels diet plans like Atkins'.

Right now the AMA is trying to figure out how to make a 180 degree turn on the whole carb-sugar-fat thing without losing face and admitting the last 30 years' worth of conventional wisdom was indeed, as Taubes wrote, A Big Fat Lie. If they keep going down the road they're on, within 5-10 years the dialysis parlors are going to outnumber gas stations and the present system will be unsustainable. Especially since the poor, who are just as underserved as the rich are overtreated and overmedicated, are going to bear the brunt. At that point, we'll have "socialized medicine" whether we need it or not. Personally, I envy our Canadian friends.

That's right, SY! Hospitals had better start installing more dialysis machines! Once low carb diets catch up with the dieters, there sure will be more dialysis happening! Diets high in protein can really take the fight out of the kidneys.

I notice there are over 21,000 views of this thread. Many of them are us, of course, but I suspect a few of the lurkers are reading a few reviews on Amazon, and maybe giving their bagels to their chickens about now.

Again, you're right. LOTS of people are reading this thread, which is why some of us are trying to keep it factual. You've shared your opinion and the opinions of a few others, few facts and much fear mongering.


The beautiful thing about the Internet Age is that the content we are able to access is no longer wholly controlled, as radio, TV, magazines and newspapers are, by what Corporate America will pay sponsorships for you to know. The entire spectrum of ideas, research and hypotheses are now available to any educated person who cares to be pro-active in commanding their own destiny. I would guess that's most of us.

Yep, right again, SY. There's a plethora of information on any topic you can dream up if you simply put a search engine to work for you. But there's an even larger collection of misinformation at our finger tips these days, as well.

[Moderator 1]

We're going to close this thread as it's no longer horse-related.

Thanks!
Mod 1