[ThisTooShallPass]

We have our bedtime routine. This had never been an issue here. I hay horses right before bed. He comes outside with us. He potties. We come inside. I flea comb him, & he then goes to bed on my bed. I then go potty. Turn off the power strip to the computer & go to bed

So, last night I walk in to go to bed & there was a huge pee spot on my bed! It went all the way down to the mattress!!! He did not act guilty like when he poops. Though he never acted guilty over the original pee spot that started this thread either.

(You know what I was even more fumed over? I had just changed the sheets. )

I am trying so hard to give him any benefit of the doubt I can muster. It was a LOT of pee.

Could the retired stock dog have done it? Jealousy? I just cannot imagine this aged neutured male dog, getting on my bed & SQUATTING to pee. The pee was still pooled. So if the stock dog had snuck in there & peed, it should have long since soaked all the way in.

They get along well. Yes, the puppy is sometimes annoying. So I make the puppy stop pestering him.

Life long, my bedroom has pretty well always been off limits to the stock dog. He does try to go in there to escape the puppy sometimes. But he is told to get out. When he is allowed in the house, he has a bed by the door & that is where his body is to remain. That has always been the rule.

I do allow the stock dog to leave his bed to play with the puppy-on the Oriental. Then he has to go back to his bed when they are done playing.

*Actually we now go potty outside once they are done playing. Or during play when I worry they have played long & hard enough puppy may potty.



Also, we have a morning routine. I get up & first thing hay horses. Puppy used to potty in the front yard. But now has decided he likes to poop along the path going to the horses. I keep an eye on him, just to keep him out of trouble & out of the paddocks.

This morning he sat at front corner of house just watching. Did not follow along to hay. So we did not go back into the house. We hung out in the front yard for a while. He finally peed. Then it took a while longer & he finally pooped.

A little baffled over his chosen change in routine this morning.

Now I have been out weeding in the garden. I left the door wide open & fully expected him to follow me. The stock dog has been outside for hours. I finally decided I would coax him out with a fun game of come out & chase this long piece of grass I have. I did not want to force him out. I wanted it to be his idea. He was out for about 5 minutes. No potty done.



When I was growing up society never would have believed that one day we could & would be openly writting to a world audience about ones pet urinating in the house, let alone upon ones bed. Not even we amongst the horsey set could have ever foreseen this. When dining we may have spoken of horsey things that made eyebrows raise of the non horsesy set raise. But never spoke of the dog pissing on the bed. Oh my how the world has changed!

[oliverreed]

I feel your pain. But I think when the others are suggesting tethering him that means to you, all the time, all the time, all the time. Unless he is in a crate or outside. I know it sounds like a gigantic pain in the butt but it works.

And if he has peed in your bed I would not let him sleep there.

[Simkie]

I feel your pain. But I think when the others are suggesting tethering him that means to you, all the time, all the time, all the time. Unless he is in a crate or outside. I know it sounds like a gigantic pain in the butt but it works.

Right. He needs to NEVER be out of reach. Your eyeballs need to be on him all the time.

Also, has he seen the vet? Perhaps there's some sort of bladder infection brewing that's just compounding your house training issues.

[Mara]

Right. He needs to NEVER be out of reach. Your eyeballs need to be on him all the time.

Also, has he seen the vet? Perhaps there's some sort of bladder infection brewing that's just compounding your house training issues.

The tether method does work, and quickly. I have a friend who tried it as a last resort with her rescue pup, and housebreaking was complete in a couple of weeks.

I also agree it might be time for a vet to take a look-see.

[Superminion]

I feel your pain! When we brought our rescued JRT home, she refused to potty outside. We could lock her out for HOURS and you could almost see her crossing her legs to hold it. As soon as we let her back in... she'd let loose on the floor.

I think it was some sort of 'I'm the boss here' thing. It since been sorted out with constant potty breaks and lots of cookies!

Her new thing is to get up at 5am and whine. We typically go to bed around 11, unless the baby is having a rough night. I originally thought that it was because she had to go out... I put her out and nothing. I'd leave her out to go make coffee and she'd bark/scratch at the door to come back in within seconds. Normally she'll sleep until 7-8, even if I get up. She sleeps in her crate in our room.

This morning I decided to ignore her. Whining started at 5, she got a 'Dixie shut up!'. I woke up 10 minutes later to a nice pile of dog c*ap on the bed next to my pillow, and dog curled up in her crate, fast asleep.

Puppies... gah!

[HydroPHILE]

Ah the joys of puppydom! Whenever Mr. HydroPHILE gets the "urge" to start looking for a German Shepherd puppy, I remind him of the "joys" of puppydom. You have some spectacular advice here. I would very much highly recommend the tethering him to you when he's out and about.

Puppies are like Ninjas. They know how to dart away, how to sneak away, and poof! Urine smell or little accident pile. The last time we raised a puppy (the Shepherd,) we watched him every single minute he was out and about.

Our German Shepherd asks to go out by going to the front door and hitting the knob with his nose. If we're in the bedroom, and he really has to go out, he will come in the bedroom and start hitting every doorknob in the bedroom with his nose: bedroom knob, bathroom, closet.

Our pit bull, however, will walk to the front door and stand there, zoned out. That poses a problem if we're in another room because she will NOT come find us. Even at three years of age, if she isn't on her "pit bull bed" (aka the couch) or in the bedroom with us, and we don't hear her zipping around playing with the German Shepherd, we check on her. More than likely, she's standing at the front door, and she's not making a peep.

[LauraKY]

OP, have you ever housebroken a puppy before?

[ThisTooShallPass]

Yes, I have trained dogs before. Puppies. Adults. Numerous.

Someone pissed on my bed again!

And the little b@s-turd is now in a kennel!

But I really cannot rule out the retired stock dog either.

From his reaction to the kennel, I am pretty sure someone has kenneled him before.

As much as I would like to, having thought it thru, I cannot tether the pup to me. I am older now, & concerned this may cause me to fall, by tripping on him. I simply cannot risk this.

I need my old ladies nap now. I will further rant online later.

[GotGait]

Yes indeed they will pee on a bed. My incredibly housebroken 9 year old dog who hadn't messed in the house since he was 10 weeks old peed in the middle of my spare bed because I started sleeping there. My hubby was sick and snoring. Dog did not like me sleeping away from the pack. He didn't sleep on that bed and wasn't claiming it, so I guess he was trying to drive me back to the master bedroom. He's very devious.
Anyway, I went in there to sleep again, and I smelled pee. Huh. Weird. Got in the bed, pulled up the covers, sniff sniff... pee. I started sniffing the bedspread and found the very large still wet spot. I brought him into the room, not to rub his nose in it but to tell him how disappointed I was that he peed on the bed. Trust me, this works on him for some reason.
He's never peed on it or anywhere else since then. So, I feel your pain.
Usually they pee on stuff to claim it.

Don't give your dog any opportunity to pee anywhere. You have to keep him with you at all times or kennel him if you can't. Yes, this means you can't even go to the bathroom in peace - pretend he's a toddler.

[carp]

Instead of leashing my pup to me, I bought a large portable kid's play yard. I'd set it up near me when I was too busy to watch the pup's every move (like when I was cooking dinner or something.) I put the crate with the bed in one end and a litter box with grass I'd weeded out of my garden in the other end. I figured if he really really had to go he'd choose the litter pan over his bed, and having grass in the pan would reinforce that grass is for doing personal business. Sometimes he did indeed pee in the litter pan. Other times he'd just pull the grass out and strew it around. Whatever. I didn't mind him entertaining himself with grass; exploring and destroying is what puppies do, after all.

[Milocalwinnings]

The peeing on the bed could just be housetraining issues or it could be medical issues.

Our 9 year old hound goes through this every once in a while. It started off once every so often and we figured maybe she just didn't wake up and realize she had to go. When it started happening more frequently (multiple times a week, sometimes twice a night), in to the vet she went. She had a UTI. Once UTI was gone, no more issues... but we know that if she pees in the bed again she probably has another UTI coming on.

Our 10 year old dog also peed in the bed and on her dog bed. There was something off with her kidneys (don't remember exactly what).

I might take the pup in for an exam and test for a UTI just to make sure he's going because it's a training issue and not a medical issue.

If you think it's the stock dog, it could be the same thing or it could be that he's jealous of the puppy and that's his way of showing it.

[LauraKY]

My cocker had accidents on the bed...every time it was due to a UTI. Maybe this is not the right dog for you OP.

[SGray]

And the little b@s-turd is now in a kennel!

no - it is a PUPPY

puppy = have eyes on it or it will pee on something or chew on something or poop on something or ........... something that you don't appreciate - it's just what puppies do when you are not watching

made up for by the fact that when you are watching they are adorable

[oliverreed]

This is why I have cats. My kitten is insane but he pees and poops in his litterbox.

[paulaedwina]

This is not the dog for you, OP.

Paula

[BoldChance]

The peeing on the bed could just be housetraining issues or it could be medical issues.

Our 9 year old hound goes through this every once in a while. It started off once every so often and we figured maybe she just didn't wake up and realize she had to go. When it started happening more frequently (multiple times a week, sometimes twice a night), in to the vet she went. She had a UTI. Once UTI was gone, no more issues... but we know that if she pees in the bed again she probably has another UTI coming on.

Our 10 year old dog also peed in the bed and on her dog bed. There was something off with her kidneys (don't remember exactly what).

I might take the pup in for an exam and test for a UTI just to make sure he's going because it's a training issue and not a medical issue.

If you think it's the stock dog, it could be the same thing or it could be that he's jealous of the puppy and that's his way of showing it.

My 19 month old BC peed in the house a couple weeks ago. I was like WTF??? And then 4 evenings later, she's licking herself and there's what looks like some wet by her...go over to investigate, she gets up, puddle behind her butt...and I found puddles everywhere she was laying down...

Yep..she was peeing herself. She slunk off to the door acting like I kicked her (I didn't), and after I cleaned up I went to pet her and WATCHED her leak. Outside we went, and to the vets I went with a urine sample (and then the dog, since apparently they won't run urine without seeing the dog, sigh...).

Turns out the urine was fine. Our best guess is she's estrogen incontinent. So now she's on Stilbesterol, but I was in with my OTHER 19month old border for his shots yesterday and in discussion with my regular vet at that practice, she suggested we leave her on it for 3 or 4 months, and then try taking her off to see if it's still an issue, given how young she is.

I doubt this is the issue with the OP..but yeah...in hindsight, all the "weird" accidents that showed up on rare occasion were likely due to this. Bah.


I will say... housebreaking was a challenge for us...she is my first dog, so it was a learn-as-you-go for me, and she was just tough. Go weeks great, and then bang. It was a long time before I let her sleep in the bedroom loose...Now no problems, although I've long wondered about the "stain" on the one dog bed... I'm going to guess she leaked one night.


When she was just a puppy, in for her 2nd set of shots, in discussion with my vet I mentioned that she was difficult about housebreaking, and seemed to have to go out every hour or two...even at night. Vet said - that's not normal, bring in a urine sample. She had a UTI. Once that cleared up she'd make it through the night..sometimes maybe having to get up once, but no more than that.


I get the OP's frustration, especially since obviously he's been through a few homes. I would maybe recommend a trip to the vet just to make sure there isn't a UTI or something making matters worse/harder, though.

[NRB]

I consider a dog to be housebroken when it's not pottied inside the house for 6 straight months. And I don't allow bed/sofa privileges until they are a year old (and obviously potty trained)

My 3yo female leaked on the sofa the other night. She was on the last day of a 7 day course of antibiotics... so since this happened the last time she was on antibiotics I'm not overly concerned. However she lost bed privileges and is back in her crate in the bedroom. The bed is a new king sized tempur-pedic, covered with a water proof protector but expensive as %$$. No one is allowed to pee on it.

To the OP I do feel your pain. Having a new pup in the house reminds me of having a new baby in the house, less sleep, more laundry to do and lots of poop and pee to clean up and no more free time. But total cuteness to watch.

My little guy was started out paper trained. So I continued. After having him in the house for a month I realized that I was clueless about paper training b/c he was still peeing on the papers in his ex-pen. I realized I was doing something wrong. So I took up the papers and into the crate he went this week. so far so good and no pee inside now that the papers are gone and he's getting crated. He is still allowed access to the ex-pen after he potties outside. Or tethered to furniture next to me as I work at the desk.

[betsyk]

When my dog was about that age, she was having trouble with pee accidents in the house. We were at the vet for shots and he asked how the house training was going, and when I told him, he asked what her typical day was like. She was a farm dog, so she was outside a lot "being a dog." he recommended watching her more closely and trying to keep her from eating sticks, horse poop, and all the other yummy stuff farm puppies eat... She was drinking lots of water because her tummy was upset from all the junk, then couldn't hold her full bladder. Once we got all that under control, the house training progressed a lot better.

[oliverreed]

Hey OP how about an update?

[Heinz 57]

As much as I would like to, having thought it thru, I cannot tether the pup to me. I am older now, & concerned this may cause me to fall, by tripping on him. I simply cannot risk this.

I need my old ladies nap now. I will further rant online later.

Hey, OP. Stop being angry at the pup. He's just a baby, and it sounds like he's already learned he has to hide from you to pee. He's not guilty - he's afraid of you being angry.

If you can't tether him, you need to have eyes on him every second he's out of the crate. My favorite dog trainer friend would tell you that puppy needs to be in a crate at any time you can't pay 100% attention to him. The only time he has a chance to pee on the rug is when you aren't watching him.

My 2yo border collie was tethered or crated most of his puppy-hood. I can recall maybe ONE pee accident and one poop, happened separately, both times when I didn't have an eye on him or left him inside to run to the garbage can for a second. My fault, not his. He's now a mostly well-adjusted teenager that will stare at you, go to the door, come back, and if you don't get it right away? He barks at you. If you're not sure what he wants, just ask. He'll run to the door, stand there for a second, and then run back to you (I swear, sometimes I hear him yelling 'FOLLOW ME YOU IDIOT!'). He can be left free in the house all day without accidents.