[SanJacMonument]

'Like' 7HL & Bayou_Bengal's posts...

[Alagirl]

THIS X 6

You can bet they would be singing a DIFFERENT song if it had been six of their horses that had been shot

Don't be obtuse!

Most COTH members would not be caught dead with having ongoing escape issues.

There is no lack of compassion for the horses.

There is a great lack of compassion for the horse owner, if anything.

And who of you would not realize that their horse(s) were shot for a week, or rather have a couple come home injured, then let the rest of them get out again?!


Here is how I see it:

Feuding neighbors. the 'owner' used his lifestock (you know, cows and horses) to get his neighbors goat.

I don't think I read the owner's age though but since it said 'decades' he ain't no spring chicken either, and certainly did not benefit from the wisdom that age is supposed to bestow on you.

So the old man lost it, shot - repeatedly - neighbors horses, will end up spending a small fortune on legal fees, possibly spend a portion of his golden years in prison.

All the while the 'horse owner' gets to play martyr, while he was setting things up by failure to comply with local laws by not keeping his lifestock contained as he should have.

Ok, in this ginormous quagmire, this dirtback unfit owner is the probably only winner.

Seriously, why was he never charged?!!! or is not charged now? Since obviously he has also broken a few laws and ordinances.

The horses? yes, I am cynical. I know it.
But sheesh, they are dead. Yes, it was unecassary, but hardly the fault of a COTH member.
And no, I don't think a shotgun is the weapon of choice to dispatch a horse.

[threedogpack]

Even Louisiana has a stock patrol that rounds up estray horses, cattle and other livestock. I am guessing that such a "progressive" state as NY has a stock patrol, too.

you'd be .sadly. mistaken in NW Pennsylvania. LE here does nothing with dogs, or livestock. They have neither the facilities nor the expertise to house livestock.

and in our area, you can't just take the property of another, even if it's causing damage.

[threedogpack]

THIS X 6

You can bet they would be singing a DIFFERENT song if it had been six of their horses that had been shot

I would not be singing this tune at all. I'd fix the problem. My horses would not have been shot.

[Alagirl]

I would not be singing this tune at all. I'd fix the problem. My horses would not have been shot.

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[bayou_bengal]

Don't be obtuse!

Most COTH members would not be caught dead with having ongoing escape issues.

And no, I don't think a shotgun is the weapon of choice to dispatch a horse.

Maybe most COTH members would not be caught ADMITTING they have or had ongoing escape issues. (Just think back about past threads and posters)

At least we agree about the shotgun being the WRONG choice to kill a horse.

I happen to think that stray horses do not deserve to be SHOT at all with any leathal weapon. I might agree that using a super soaker filled with liquid dye--- or maybe even a paintball gun- but only at extreme long range and not anywhere except on the butt- might have been a better way to send a message-- if he was just itching to shoot those horses.

[Alagirl]

Maybe most COTH members would not be caught ADMITTING they have or had ongoing escape issues. (Just think back about past threads and posters)

At least we agree about the shotgun being the WRONG choice to kill a horse.

I happen to think that stray horses do not deserve to be SHOT at all with any leathal weapon. I might agree that using a super soaker filled with liquid dye--- or maybe even a paintball gun- but only at extreme long range and not anywhere except on the butt- might have been a better way to send a message-- if he was just itching to shoot those horses.

yes, I am fully aware of 'past threads'

And for all we know the paintball arsenal has been depleted a few decades back.

[Lynnwood]

The wife's wording in the article just doesn't sit well with me asking him "did you get the stallion?"

Just seems creepy and with a lot premeditated intent.

[threedogpack]

never mind, inflammatory.

[fooler]

16 years ago a new Hampshire man "went on a killing spree just because a local cop pulled him over for inspection as there was too much rust on his car". He ultimately killed about 5 and wounded more before his death. The authorities destroyed his home claiming it was booby trapped.
Later we found out the man had lived there all of life. He was bullied in school, through HS. The main protagonists, a man and woman, eventually rose to places of power in the community. They used their political positions to continue to harass this man. After some 40 decades he.just.had.enough.
Interesting once all of this came out, the story died as well.

No one wanted to admit they participated or at least turned a blind eye to the abuse of that boy/man for all of those years.

So now we have a man killing 6 horses just because they were on his property. My guess is there is much, much more to this story. And no one, neighbors or authorities, is without blame.

[lolita1]

Most likely posted but really if you & your neighbour where having such difficulties why would you ever allow the horses the opportunity to wander. I don’t agree with shooting them but then again the owner obviously didn’t care about them that much if they allowed them to get on to the neighbours property.

Edit I had a BO that ended up calling the pound because the neighbour's cattle kept breaking into her paddocks for YEARS. Yeap she didn't shoot them but the neighbour never changed they way they kept their fences. I think the owner of the horses is the one that is most at fault they did know what was going on this didn't happen over one event.

[fburton]

Is mental state taken into account when issuing gun licences and are they ever revoked due to concerns over a person's mental state?

[7HL]

The wife's wording in the article just doesn't sit well with me asking him "did you get the stallion?"

Just seems creepy and with a lot premeditated intent.

and this

"We believe that at the time, they were shot, at least five of the six were, on the defendant's property," Captain Barnes said. "We believe the sixth animal may have been shot on the owner's property."

[Alagirl]

Is mental state taken into account when issuing gun licences and are they ever revoked due to concerns over a person's mental state?

Might differ in from state to state, but generally speaking you get a background check at best.
I mean, you don't get a fitness evaluation when you renew your driver's license and that is a privilege and not a right.

[trubandloki]

Most states have a Stock Patrol"- usually a "cowboy" with a contract to bring a big gooseneck trailer, and some trained dogs and horses.

I think saying most states might be a huge exaggeration.

NY has some very rural areas, sure. Lots of farming and livestock even. But if we have a stock patrol I have never heard of it. Being a "progressive" state as you call it, means we are less agricultural, not more, in our thoughts.

[JackieBlue]

This is the only Stock Patrol I know of. I think most states DON'T have any such thing. And to expect the neighbor, who may or may not know anything about horses, to catch and care for the loose critters as the out dated law mandates is ludicrous. Especially knowing now that one of them was a stallion. This is just a crappy situation all the way around, but I think the owner of the horses is very much to blame here.

[Alagirl]

The wife's wording in the article just doesn't sit well with me asking him "did you get the stallion?"

Just seems creepy and with a lot premeditated intent.

Why is that creepy to you?

Stallions can and do pose a serious danger, especially when the hormones rage. It is spring, after all.

[d9cody]

My father is a state trooper investigating this case and told me after the man killed 5 horses, a baby horse was feeding off of another dead horse. The guy walked up and put a bullet straight through the baby's head. This is absolutely terrible and disturbing. Apparently this guy had ties to the mob though...

[Guilherme]

Is mental state taken into account when issuing gun licences and are they ever revoked due to concerns over a person's mental state?

In the U.S. firearm and firearm ower licensure are very complex topics. The below comments are mostly regarding sales.

There are few to no restrictions on owning "sporting" or "fowling" arms like shotguns. While some cities like Chicago, Washington, and NYC have limits there would likely be none in a rural county. So there would be no mechanism that would ever bring the "mental status" of an owner into question.

Rifles are treated pretty much as shotguns, but there are more restrictions on at least use. I live in a part of our county where modern rifles are not permitted for deer hunting but muzzle loading, black powder rifles are. We are too congested for that. In many other parts of TN modern rifles would be the preferred weapon for taking deer, bear, or elk.

Handguns are regulated everywhere. The first level is Federal law, which lays some broad restrictions on felons; persons with demonstrated mental illness; persons convicted of domestic violence; etc. In TN a purchaser must pass an "instant background check" prior to taking possetion of a handgun.* The TN Bureau of Investigation maintains a "hot line" that a commercial seller must use to gain a clearance number" for the sale.** Here the mental state of a prospective buyer does come into play, but in reality it's a factor only if on their Form 4473 they indicate they have been treated for mental illness or if they've been adjudicated as mentally ill and that adjudication is in the Federal or State database. Many see this as a rather large "loophole" while others see it as a defense against government using bogus claims of "mental illness" to disqualify otherwise eligble citizens (sort of what the old Soviet Union used to do with its mental health laws).

At the bottom of all this discussion is the Second Amendment. That protects a person's right to keep and bear arms as in individual right and as a State Right. It's a dual benefit. Of course this duality generaly gets quickly lost in most discussions of firearms rights.

G.

* This only applies to commercial sellers. "Casual sales" by individuals are exempt from background check rules.

** The commercial seller gives the information on the Form 4473 to the TBI who then use it to search their database. If no disqualifying information is found then a "clearance number" is given and the transaction can be concluded. If the search shows a reason not to conclude the sale that is given to the seller. The buyer is informed of the problem and they have an opportunity to correct any mis-information.

[JackieBlue]

My father is a state trooper investigating this case and told me after the man killed 5 horses, a baby horse was feeding off of another dead horse. The guy walked up and put a bullet straight through the baby's head. This is absolutely terrible and disturbing. Apparently this guy had ties to the mob though...

Uh, sure. Not only does this sound like B.S., but according to police, there were no witnesses to the shooting.