[Canone]

Does anyone know if this stallion has produced any jumping ability (jumpers or hunters)? His conformation and temperament is a perfect match for my mare and his bloodlines do have jumping ability. I would love to breed to him but would really love get something that has some ability over fences.

[Brigitta]

The Hanoverian stallion book list his jumping breeding value at 86... well below average, based on his Hanoverian get...
Here's the source:
http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE 304048438098&hengst=04P567598&zv=31&jahr=2012

[EquusMagnificus]

I think you need to define what your mean by jumping ability in a dressage stallion...?

[mmt]

We have a Rouseeau filly out of a nice Rio Grande xx mare that is a super jumper great instincts and form. Bold but easy born broke. Ferro competed in jumpers before dressage.

[vandenbrink]

Rousseau by most breeders would be considered a dressage specialist...and a VERY GOOD one. I'm sure he CAN jump, but he's not a stallion to add a better more scopey or better style jump in a mare. I definitely wouldn't use him to make a hunter. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but when breeding horses you'd want to stack your odds in your favour.

[feather river]

First clue--An 86 jumping score means don't do it because he will probably hurt himself--he has no jumping talent! Second clue--he's at Hassler's--no jumping stallions at Hassler's, or even stallions with a hint of jump talent.

Now of course how does one define jumping talent? Well that 86 score received at the stallion test is 14 points below the 100 median score. Figure the top jumper got 140 points plus or minus. Now there is your point of reference

[Callaway]

First clue--An 86 jumping score means don't do it because he will probably hurt himself--he has no jumping talent! Second clue--he's at Hassler's--no jumping stallions at Hassler's, or even stallions with a hint of jump talent.

Actually, Wamberto (Rousseau - Voltaire - Dutchboy) is quite a good jumper. He is managed by the Hasslers.

[feather river]

Actually, Wamberto (Rousseau - Voltaire - Dutchboy) is quite a good jumper. He is managed by the Hasslers.

No jumper breeder is going to choose a stallion from the Hasslers.
Some of you dressage folks think because a horse can jump one small fence it can be a jumper--as we say in the jumpers, one generation of dressage blood in a jumper pedigree is one generation too many.
These are two different horses. What you want in a dressage horse is definitely not what is wanted in a jumper--and probably vice versa.

[Callaway]

First clue--An 86 jumping score means don't do it because he will probably hurt himself--he has no jumping talent! Second clue--he's at Hassler's--no jumping stallions at Hassler's, or even stallions with a hint of jump talent.
Now of course how does one define jumping talent? Well that 86 score received at the stallion test is 14 points below the 100 median score. Figure the top jumper got 140 points plus or minus. Now there is your point of reference

This was your original post (emphasis mine).

I am not a "dressage folk." I have a jumping backround. I did not imply that a jumper breeder would use Wamberto, I just meant that he is a talented jumper.

[Claudius]

A few years ago I loved him in their stallion show...he has a fabulous walk....but his test score of 86 and the one and only picture of him jumping, in which he is hanging his legs and not using his shoulders, convinced me not to use him.

[feather river]

This was your original post (emphasis mine).

I am not a "dressage folk." I have a jumping backround. I did not imply that a jumper breeder would use Wamberto, I just meant that he is a talented jumper.

I would have to see his show jumping record to believe he is a "talented jumper". Just because he scored well for jumping at the stallion test means very little. Lots of these all-arounders score well at stallion tests, but then 5 years later, no one knows them. This horse has a mixed pedigree and top show jumping breeders wouldn't use him.

[Canone]

I really appreciate all at the input. I was hoping that some of his offspring had nice ability but I will keep looking. I want something with a bit of substance but also one that throws a quiet and easy overall temperament as this mare can be sensitive at times.

[RunHikeGolden]

Sorry to get off topic of Rousseau, but here is a lovely "dressage" stallion with really impressive offspring.
http://hilltopfarminc.com/stallion_royal_prince.html#1
I know he tends to sire great movers with easy temperaments. And it seems all the offspring that are tried over fences show a good amount of natural talent, especially this one
http://useventing.com/news/royal-tri...-championships I didn't really pay any attention to him until reading this article and watching video of Tribute. Then I started to look into him and am thoroughly impressed.

[Mardi]

The dressage-bred stallion Regazzoni sired Ragtime (USEF Hunter Breeding Sire 2010, 2011). So it IS possible to get nice jumping ability from dressage bloodlines.

http://woodslanefarm.com/stallions/regazzoni.html

[DownYonder]

The dressage-bred stallion Regazzoni sired Ragtime (USEF Hunter Breeding Sire 2010, 2011). So it IS possible to get nice jumping ability from dressage bloodlines.

http://woodslanefarm.com/stallions/regazzoni.html

Hunter Breeding is a whole different ballgame from Hunter performance. A better example would be White Star, who is dressage bred but finished 2011 as the #1 sire on the USEF ranking list for Hunter performance.

I agree with others that no serious jumper breeder would consider Rousseau to produce a JUMPER. He may, however, produce nice hunters, esp. when paired with the right mare. Again, it's quite a different ballgame between Jumpers and Hunters.

And for the OP - it you look around a bit more, you will probably find a fair number of proven hunter stallions that are a good match for your mare. I have nothing against Rousseau - in fact, like him quite a bit - but if I wanted a hunter type foal, I would be more inclined to look for a proven hunter sire.

[misita]

Sorry to get off topic of Rousseau, but here is a lovely "dressage" stallion with really impressive offspring.
http://hilltopfarminc.com/stallion_royal_prince.html#1
I know he tends to sire great movers with easy temperaments. And it seems all the offspring that are tried over fences show a good amount of natural talent, especially this one
http://useventing.com/news/royal-tri...-championships I didn't really pay any attention to him until reading this article and watching video of Tribute. Then I started to look into him and am thoroughly impressed.

I'm watching this team too and they're awesome!

[Mardi]

Hunter Breeding is a whole different ballgame from Hunter performance.

Yes, that's correct.
And if you take a look at his website, you will see that
Ragtime was also:
2007: Champ. Reg. Working Hunter (Palm Beach)
2006: Grand Circuit Champ. Reg. Working Hunter (Pebble Beach)
Reserve Champion Reg. Working Hunter (Pickwich Summer Classic)
Reserve Champion Reg. Working Hunter (Golden Gate)

He also has a few wins in jumpers.

So he has a good performance record, and according to the HB division, passes
on conformation/type for the hunter ring.

Although his owners don't openly promote his dressage horse lineage (his sire is often not mentioned in their ads) this horse has proven himself in the hunter discipline.

[Lynnwood]

Here are his reports from the KWPN

http://hengsten.kwpn.nl/openbaar/abo...nr=H0000007773

http://hengsten.kwpn.nl/openbaar/abo...nr=H0000007773

"
Name: ROUSSEAU Rijpaardtype
Performance
Performance Ermelo 2001
Rousseau is an honest, reliable stallion. He is very willing to work and works well. The walk has good scope and is active and pure. Rousseau has sufficient scope at the trot. He has good self carriage and good tact. He has more than sufficient suppleness at the trot. The stallion has good scope, good self carriage and balance at the canter. He has more than sufficient impulsion. He closes well. Rousseau has more than sufficient to much talent and he gives his rider a more than sufficient to good feeling.
Rousseau has a sufficient take-off as a jumper. He has sufficient technique. He seems careful and shows sufficient scope. Rousseau has sufficient talent for jumping and gives his rider a moderate to sufficient feeling.
Stall and handling behavior are normal
Veterinary report:
During the first half of the test an adjustment in shoeing was made and he received medication in order to help the hock function better.
The test took place from March 15 - May 23, 2001."

[ise@ssl]

Callaway - Wamberto hasn't competed since the 100 Day Stallion Testing at Paxton Farm in 2007. So the only time anyone has seen him jump was at the testing. The website keeps saying he's going to be showing - but it says that every year. It's been 5 years since the Testing with no performance to use as a basis.

[flyracing]

My wamberto filly has "jumper type" checked on her KWPN papers. Shall I run and hide behind rock?!? Lol! I'll let you all know in a couple of years!

He did WIN the jumping portion (and the dressage portion) of the 100 day test with a record score. Sadly, he did get sick and I can imagine they don't want to compete until he's really ready to make a top notch showing.