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  1. #141
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    Heidi-thank you for your reply[which I knew would get some feedback] You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.We all can not agree all the time. We need a discussion here and we need to see all sides here.

    Meadow-I never spoke of the woman personally. I agree,no names should be mentioned but the horses name did, as that is the original question. Being the horse has that name and the rest of the package that goes with it came the outpooring of comments.[and I did say her attire was proper last weekend.I for one took that as a giant step forward] Being that an official protest has been made, it is in the hands of the federation. I can only hope names are screened more carefully soon. My wish would be this woman would see this thread and if she can get past the personal bashings, many people have written legitimate complaints and hopefully can see what is really trying to be said.

    Now- to get off personal issues. I believe this has and always should be a sport of class. Once that is gone so will sponsorships,any more future T.V.coverage etc... My trainer once told me to put my jacket on during a warm up to show respect to the judge. Take class out of this sport people and what do we have........?
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    If people really had any respect for the judge, they'd get their horses into the ring in a timely fashion instead of lingering outside while the judge tries to stay awake until their trainer puts in an appearance.

    I'd rather see that behavior legislated, as it is far more common than inappropriate dress.
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    Any perceived 'class' in the sport is an artifical one dictated by marketers, paid pros, and those who'd like the sport to remain an exclusive club.
    Perhaps some in the sport would wish to preserve the appearance of tradition and 'class' but the reality of the industry and sport is quite different. I'd further argue that this perceived 'class' (translation: elitism, sport of kings and all that) is what holds the sport back from meaningful sponsorship, tv coverage and mass market interest.

    Personally speaking, I'd rather convey to non-riding folk the sheer joy of horses, the intense emotional bonds that we nurture and enjoy with our horses, the awesome sense of accomplishment when training a green horse to the penultimate levels, than perpetuating a social myth.

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    I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but in Florida there is a CHILDREN'S jumper named "Porn Star" . I few girls I used to ride with told me about her. I haven't personally seen it, but I have heard it a lot. IF it is true, I just think it is weird that it is in a children's jumper division. Why would a trainer and a parent let a child name their horse that??? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]
    ***By the way, the kids that told me think it is "cool".
    Ps/ I wonder what it's barn name is? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    A horse show is not a public park or public spectacle. It is a sporting event with a set of rules, regulations and traditions. Traditional attire is written into the rules. Although jumper attire is more relaxed, it does show gross lack of respect for the sport, management, and judges to compete in attire more suitable to a night club or day at the beach.

    And unlike a book, magazine, video or movie, you cannot turn off or throw out an inappropriate name announced on the PA or a competitor running around in inappropriate dress. Most books, movies, videos and even TV shows are censored and given ratings so parents can choose whether or not to let their children see them. When you go to a horse show, you expect to have a day of sport and recreation, not a day in dealing with the sex issue with your kids. It is not the place. Kids DO see and hear too much violence and sex. Horses should be a haven from all that.

    And also, I think the Williams sisters are some of the best tennis players around. What incredible talent. However, I think it is almost disgraceful for them to run around in some of the outfits they do. If you want to dress like that at the beach or at a night club, fine. But for heavens sake, this is professional tennis on national television. Have some self respect.



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    There's the missing ingredient..self respect...developed through self control and dignity, as well as respect for others. Sad but you can't shine (metaphor for doo doo)...no matter how hard you rub on it. There is NO excuse for offending others deliberately and there is no personal victory in that type of "self expression". Why can't people go without clothes?? Because it would be offensive to most civilized people...the same is true at the horse show..act with dignity and self respect. When in Rome.....

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    Funny you should mention the horse with the name "Porn Star." I've seen baby t-shirts with the same phrase emblazoned on them. There are many other shirts with similar phrases written on them that are highly inappropriate, IMO, when worn by ANYONE, much less teen girls (and boys).

    What kind of a message is a shirt like this getting across? What kind of parent allows their child to leave the house wearing such a piece of crap?

    Sorry...this isn't *really* related to the topic at hand, but perhaps indicates that kids aren't as shocked by inappropriate/suggestive messages (and by extension, horse names) as we would like to think.

    That being said, I can't imagine anyone naming their horse "Hot Sex" (or similar). I can't comment on the individual, but I've already formed my own opinions... Really, would you give such a name to your dog, your cat, your iguana? Why on earth would you give it (the name, that is) to a HORSE?!?!

    Sorry...got a little long winded there. I hope it all makes sense. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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    Who would Decide if the name is "Inappropriate" (SP?) ? I once showed a pony who's barn name was Wedgie so naturally his show name was "In Between the Cracks" He is Registered with the AHSA or the "Federation" whatever they want to call themselves .....but is there really way to draw the line?

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    Coming from a 16 year old, I don't find this name offensive. Teenagers see this attitude every day of their life in highschool/sports clubs/band or whatever they wish to do. Why would riding be any different? It's not. Most have been through Sex Ed....this is nothing new. This lady is making a fool of herself and no one else. The good people FAR outnumber the bad. Why must we always dwell on the bad stuff instead of spending our time making the good even better?



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    If there was a thing called 'The morality police'and I could nominate someone-It would be you!

    Tradition and this sport. Now,being a middle class person who trains middle class people I must comment on the money issue. Fashion in this sport has always been cut and dry until this issue we are dealing with here. Do we all look like a bunch of cloned stepford wife types at the shows-yup. Because attire has always followed tradition. Although the jumper division has allowed collared shirts, until today I have never seen that questioned or taken to this limit. My clients go in the ring looking like the next guy oozing with money. The horse may show the difference in stature but at least rich or poor we all follow tradition. The rich do sponsor divisions that the middle class compete in. I for one,would not like to see them pull away because the morality code has fallen in the crapper!

    Children and this sport. Tradition again. Keeps them off the streets.[hopefully] Shows them how to show respect and uphold a long time tradition. If you want to see the big bad ugly world they will see it. Please lets not show it to them on a horse show ground. Children should be told,here you uphold an old tradition.What you do on your own time is your own choice. Hopefully this sport can say, We have tried to guide them the best we can when they are in our backyard!
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    I couldn't AGREE more!!
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    Talking about inappropriate names, on the way home from the barn tonight, we saw a truck towing some sort of offshore racing boat (Del Mar registered) with the name "Sexual Chocolate" [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Possibly a reference to Mark Henry of the WWF - and yes, having led a sheltered life, I did have to do a web search to find the significance of this name [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (There is a far racier possibility also).



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    I have to share this: My husband and I were driving in Tampa the other day. There was a service truck pulled up in front of us. The truck was for port-a-potties. It was a very nice, clean professional, and a well equipped vehical. It had the name printed professionally on the side of it. It read:

    ______ company (wont say the name)
    If you don't sh*t, we don't eat.

    I COULD NOT believe that it said that. ( and there was no cute "*" in the 'Sh word'.) None the less we were ROTFLMAO...hahaha [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
    So my point is I guess people definelty have there own crazy views of what is okay and not okay, horse show or no horse show.

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    ps/ we were definetly not laughing because it was appropriate. But it sure shocked us. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    BUT...

    It is my choice to favor the more conservative. Others choose to be more progressive.

    Last time I checked - I live in the USA and I believe the person who named this horse does as well.

    Is "Hot Sex" profane? Sugesstive at best IMO and as to the children - I am willing to bet they have heard worse by age 10 at school or on TV or Radio.

    Rather than hold the AHSA responsible for many of the reasons stated by others perhaps those who are offended should go to the show manager and let him/her know the distress hearing the words "Hot Sex" is inflicting on you. The show manager has the right to refuse an entry.

    I think there are bigger issues to get worked up about than someones taste (or lack thereof) in naming the horse that they own.

    IMO this is as superficial, and judgemental as some of the "fashion" threads that seem to be so popular.

    I found the tennis analogy interesting - I'm having a Senior moment and I admit I don't follow tennis but I remember my mother all up in arms over the outfits worn by the two sister who I believe are playing quite competatively.

    I remember saying "what's wrong with their outfits - just because they are colorful and perhaps a bit revealing? They can wear what they want as they serve up those aces"

    I think I'll go try and find a showbow... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img]



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    How about the name "Dusty Dick"? Name of an Arab who shows around here. Saw it's name in the VAHA points and my mind thought of this thread, had to post it! :0)

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    DD needs to "hook up" with HS and then it could be Shiney Dick....No need for "morality police" ..but IF you make a specticle of yourself expect to be fodder for BB or worse.

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    For all we know - she could care less what anyone thinks. Or perhaps she is unaware -

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    I was in a barn where the boarders all sat around and giggled when one of the other adults wore what would be considered a bright shade of lipstik. It did detract from the picture and they gleefully giggled behind her back.

    I was disgusted at this behavior from supposedly mature adults, many who seemed to feel superior to this intelligent, professional woman who was a novice in the showring.

    I was only aquanted with the woman but a few days after the show - I engaged her in conversation and in a tactful manner suggested in the future she choose a more subtle shade. Pointing out that the color she had worn was very appropriate for other situations but in the show ring actually detracted from her lovely horse.

    Long story short - we are very good friends even though I now live over 300 miles away.



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    your posts on this topic are, as usual, thoughtful and well-articulated, and in this case, I agree with you 100%.

    When I think of "class" in the horse show world, I think of sportsmanship, winning and losing gracefully, and being kind to and appreciative of our horses. I think equating "class" with what one wears smacks of elitism, which is something I believe we should be working towards eradicating from our sport, rather than fostering.

    Someone mentioned that the Williams sisters, and by extension the rider of "Hot Sex" have no self respect. How in the world can you infer that simply from what someone wears?? Perhaps they all base their self respect in their ability to stand out from the crowd proudly...

    For those who think legislating what names horses can have and what people can wear on show grounds is preserving the horse show world as a safe haven free from sex, drugs, violence, and all those things we try to hide children from, you have your heads in the sand. All those things exist at horse shows, too.

    If you want to instill class and taste in your children, lead by example. Tell them what you think is appropriate for them to wear or say or do. But don't try to shield them from the fact that there are others who will wear, say and do things that you don't agree with....

    Sorry if this seems strident, I am just a little depressed at the support for the idea of a "morality police" on this board. Call me a civil libertarian, but it rubs me the wrong way.....



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    but you got it backwards -

    I made the following comment about the William's sisters

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I found the tennis analogy interesting - I'm having a Senior moment and I admit I don't follow tennis but I remember my mother all up in arms over the outfits worn by the two sister who I believe are playing quite competatively.

    I remember saying "what's wrong with their outfits - just because they are colorful and perhaps a bit revealing? They can wear what they want as they serve up those aces"

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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