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  1. #1
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    Default Another TB bloodline query

    I aquired a mare a couple of years ago and last year she had a foal by one of my TB stallions which was stunning and sold easily to a showing home .
    Ive been umming and arghing what to do with her as really she needs covering by something non TB to just add a bit of of something else in or i sell her as with having our own stallions i dont often cover outside.
    So thoughts on pedigree for this girl ,im just really trying to workout if she fits into out breeding program or not really breeding eventers but im not that familiar with her bloodlines.
    So ideas and thoughts really
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/babaraja



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    Wow. Blue Larkspur on the page. You don't see that very often in a modern horse. Great old lines there.

    Raja Baba is excellent for jumping or eventing.



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    That's a really, really lovely North American pedigree. The athleticism that is present in her ancestors is very consistent. Count Fleet and his sire both appear in numerous full TBs who excelled in jumping, some at the international level, while Sir Ivor is internationally famous for his eventing descendants.Tail female is QUITE wonderful.

    The whole dam's pedigree is sterling.

    On top, Sword Dancer's two best race horses were Damascus and Lady Pitt. Both were champion 3 yo. Damascus, of course, is a notable line for jumping horses. Blitey was BY FAR Lady Pitt's best foal. Riva Ridge, her sire, is packed with lines that were proven as chasers and jumpers, such as Turn-To, Heliopolis, Easton and Wrack.

    Nijinsky is Nijinsky, and there is no doubt that he has produced for chasing. He was an SOB on the ground and passed it on, so not one to double up on, IMO.

    If I had this mare, I'd be looking to add in Hyperion and breed for eventing; or go against the grain and breed for a show jumper. There ARE show jumpers who have TBs for dams, and in the Dutch/Belgian and Swedish breeding programs breeding TB mares for sport isn't the taboo it seems to have become in Germany--except in the Traks.
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    Thank you very much perphaps as she was given to me i ought to think again about keeping her.
    Shes a very correct mare and a good size at 16.1.
    I suppose i have a couple of options really.
    The last foal she had was by my small TB stallion http://www.groomsbridgestud.co.uk/in...ions&Itemid=60 who incidently goes back to hyperion through his dam who i showjumped successfully.
    The foal was absolutely stunning and this is her.
    http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1..._6943577_n.jpg

    I also have the option of covering her with http://www.groomsbridgestud.co.uk/in...ions&Itemid=60 and there is a 4 yr old by this stallion out of a Dancing spree mare being prepared for the young event horse classes over here already.
    Alternatively i could use a 5 yr old colt that i have with this pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l= who is due to start ridden work this year (late due to getting a snake bite and subsequent surgery) but is a paternal full brother to this young mare that we have starting out successfully on her eventing career,this is her below.
    http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/sallyf1/tn.jpg
    http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...kamunstead.jpg



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    the topside is average (common names...not bad, just not special) but the damiline is really nice: Raja Baba, Sir Ivor and Blue Larkspr up close.



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    Turn To was the sire of Best Turn, sire of the US stallion sold to Bernard Courtois (Hand in Glove). Also sire of Turn To Mars, a stallion who produced show jumpers as well. Heliopolis was the damsire of Jet Run, a full TB who showjumped internationally in the 1980's for the USET. Easton was a french sire who is in the pedigrees of quite a few jumpers and show hunters in Dr. Birdsall (~15), but is best known, at least to me , for his daughter Eastmas who is in the lines of a USET event horse named Laser and the champion show hunter (now in their Hall Of Fame) Navy Commander. Easton is one of the golden TB lines for jumping. Wrack`was a chaser himself in the UK and was the sire of Petee-Wrack, who was the sire of 2 winners of the huge Maryland Hunt Cup--4+ mile timber race. One was Peterski and the other was Pine Pep, who won it three times.

    This mare has so many lines that appear over and over in pedigrees in Dr. Birdsall of horses who have been show jumpers and show hunters and added to those are Sir Ivor and Raja Baba, both superior chasing and eventing lines in the US, that her quality definitely showed in the photo of the filly that you posted.

    I know you'd like to stay at your own stud, but what about trying her with the Funnell's Cevin Z? You might get a show jumper OR an event horse.
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    Thanks for all of the info.
    Cevin Z is an interesting idea and i will go and investigate him more.
    Hes not one i would generally have thought of ,mainly as i once saw a pic of him front on and didnt like his forelimb conformation but then pictures can be deceptive.
    It does look for now like she might at least be worth keeping and breeding from again.



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