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  1. #21
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    What ever you do no Bute or Banamine... We have a mare in our barn right now that had the same thing last year, it's taken over a year for it to grow out.
    If you'd like to see a picture album of the process, please go to our web site , and look under Liana ( photo album)

    I hope you are not squeamish some of the photos are graphic.

    Be as aggressive as you can now.

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    Magna Paste works well too.
    "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."



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    I do a diaper with ichthamol and epsom salts. Pack the area, attach the diaper, then gorilla tape it on.

    If the horse is in so much pain that she isn't moving at all, I will bute for a day, to see if that will get her walking; sometimes that gets a stubborn abscess to pop. I agree that long term bute might reduce the inflammation just enough to make it a chronic problem, but a dose or two won't cause that. My trimmer says I can soak if it makes me feel like I'm doing something, but she has never really felt like it helped.

    I'm living in abscess hell, because my horses are in a pasture that wasn't mowed for years. It's 30 acres of stalks and staubs...quite the pain, literally. Trips humans, sends dogs flying, and bruises even rock hard hoofs. We're digging them out as fast as we can, but I swear they breed overnight!



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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfayre View Post
    I've kept it wrapped with poultice until there was no more discharge- as per my vet's instructions (Board-certified Equine specialist and up-to-date on the newest protocols; I trust her IMPLICITLY) and after that with a pad and duct tape, but she's got what appears to be a separation of the hoof at the coronet. I've got an email into my vet as she's away this weekend, but how concerned should I be?
    If, when the abscess vented, the horse returned to soundness, then I would not be overly concerned. Where did the vent occur?
    What is the likelihood I may not be riding anytime soon?
    How high is up?
    Here's my vet's abscess protocol for the last 5 years: NO soaking (absolutely NONE),
    Why not? Is poulticing not considered a form of soaking????



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    Quote Originally Posted by saaskya View Post
    i have had about five hundred abcesses this past winter/fall ........
    500 How'd you get so lucky??



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Burten View Post
    500 How'd you get so lucky??

    the gods were smiling on me!! hah so probably not 500 but i cant really count how many. i could send you some, yknow, if you've missed out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Burten View Post
    If, when the abscess vented, the horse returned to soundness, then I would not be overly concerned. Where did the vent occur?
    It vented at the hairline, on the outside quarter. It's about 2 inches long. The coronet band has been displaced, the coronary band is turned downward, and the hairline is routing upward, with what looks like laminae extruding outward.
    How high is up?
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Not sure what you mean, but it's right at the coronet band[/COLOR]
    Why not? Is poulticing not considered a form of soaking????
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I think she's against soaking as, once the abscess vents, the hole created allows bacteria, etc to enter the cavity. A poultice (Animalintex) can be used dry, and so seals the vent from outside contaminants. She's the expert.[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I've made arrangements to take her into the clinic on Monday morning, for a look-see[/COLOR]
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfayre View Post
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I think she's against soaking as, once the abscess vents, the hole created allows bacteria, etc to enter the cavity. A poultice (Animalintex) can be used dry, and so seals the vent from outside contaminants. She's the expert.[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I've made arrangements to take her into the clinic on Monday morning, for a look-see[/COLOR]
    Once an abscess opens, there is a hole, whether you have soaked it or not. I have heard people object to soaking long-term, as it softens the hoof overall, which might lead to more problems. My trimmer indicates that, in her experience, it doesn't make too much difference either way. I don't think the ichthamol/diaper treatment softens the hoof, as far as I am able to tell.



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    While I totally appreciate different points of view. Buteing when a horse has an abscess in my experience has helped as the horse moves and the abscess "pops". Also if you can actually see where the abscess head is on the Coronary band then use a sterile instrument and pop it and then get on with healing it. Don't let it get reinfected which is a bit easier if in the coranary band rather than the bottom of the hoof.



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    Fanfayre - don't worry. It will just grow out. You will have a horizontal hole in the hoof wall until it gets to a point where it will probably just break off. Generally those things don't cause any problems.



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    Thank you, fourmares for the voice of reason
    My middle name is "worry", so I'm a worst-case kind of person, and with the week I've had, this is the icing on my $#itty-cake. It was just kind of unnerving to look down into the inside of her hoof (up-chukking icon needed here).
    Will update after vet appointment, where I'll probably be told I worry too much and that she'll be fine and it will just grow out. Hmmm, where have I heard that before? [but she's my 2nd born and very special...]
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanfayre View Post
    Thank you, fourmares for the voice of reason
    My middle name is "worry", so I'm a worst-case kind of person, and with the week I've had, this is the icing on my $#itty-cake. It was just kind of unnerving to look down into the inside of her hoof (up-chukking icon needed here).
    Will update after vet appointment, where I'll probably be told I worry too much and that she'll be fine and it will just grow out. Hmmm, where have I heard that before? [but she's my 2nd born and very special...]
    I don't think anyone means that it isn't stressful or worrisome. I worry over every little thing (it's just my nature), but chances are your girl will be just fine.

    I bought a horse years ago with a similar abscess growing out. I totally freaked out when the chunk of hoof fell off. I thought for sure my horse was a goner. My farrier ribbed me about that for quite some time. My horse was, of course, just fine.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lolita1 View Post
    While I totally appreciate different points of view. Buteing when a horse has an abscess in my experience has helped as the horse moves and the abscess "pops". Also if you can actually see where the abscess head is on the Coronary band then use a sterile instrument and pop it and then get on with healing it. Don't let it get reinfected which is a bit easier if in the coranary band rather than the bottom of the hoof.
    Well, bute IS contraindicated for most abscess situations. It's an anti-inflammatory, and unfortunately, you often need the inflammation to help force the abscess along.

    That doesn't mean there aren't situations where you need it, or you risk inducing laminitis in the other foot. But bute is not something to jump to at the first signs of an abscess.

    IME, gravel - abscesses that come out the coronary band - are easier to deal with in the aftermath than solar ones. I'd MUCH rather treat a wound at the top of the foot than the bottom
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    Lucky me. My horse had several abscesses/bruises this winter because of the constant thaw/freeze cycle that we went through.

    My solution is to pack the hoof with Magic Cushion. I had one come out the heel bulb. Same deal. Magic Cushion seems to help draw it out and then it protects the area.
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    Since I said I would, here's an update on my young mare:
    The blow-out, is sealing a little bit at a time, but there's still a good 1/2inch that's open. Even though it's not draining and I've done my darndest to keep it clean, there's still some bacteria residing in the hole, as evidenced by the smell the vet got on the probe that he stuck into the hole.
    So, she's on 10 days antibiotics, and we're keeping it clean by having an Easy-boot on her foot and elastoplast bandage wrapped over the top of it and up to her fetlock to seal the gap. No riding for 10 days, but should be fine (until the hole grows out and needs a shoe to support that weak area)
    Thanks everyone for all your support and calming thoughts and words.
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    IME, i have always wrapped the hole with something to draw out the ibfection and promote draining. harder to do in some areas but really best to get the smelly stuff out. i usually use animalintex for a few days until theres not much showing up on the pad, then ichthamol if i feel like it should stay soft. also, you could pack it with SMZs if it is really being stubborn and not healing.

    glad shes getting on the right track.



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