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  1. #1
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    Default Talk to me about thin soles....

    I think a lightbulb just went on, and I'm wondering why I didn't think of this earlier.

    Teen-aged WB gelding has now gone lame three times within a week of being shod. Different farriers (one at WEF and one at home).

    First time, horse was worked up to the nines and nothing was found other than an old calc in his DDFT. Put him in New Balance, horse stays sound for several months. Second time he goes lame in same foot, he pops an abscess.

    Now it's the third time, four months after last. Lame at walk with heat. I'm wondering if he just has thin soles and we need to be more careful while trimmed.

    So how do you shoe such a horse? We're thinking once we give him a few days we'll put regular shoes (get rid of New Balance as perhaps not needed) and pads on....

    Thoughts or ideas??



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    Mine has thin soles. He must wear shoes at this point or he goes lame. We went through this entire thing where we were sure he had a ligament strain because he had heat and swelling in his right leg. Took him for an ultrasound which was completely clean. We started to work him back slow... Farrier comes out and finds 3 bloody pockets on that foot. Gross.

    Farrier said to leave the pads off. I didn't get to talk to him about it in person but he said 'they're not doing him any favors'.

    Search the forums for 'durasole'. I bought some and it's just as good as they say. ONE treatment and you can see the improvement in the texture of his sole. It's astonishing and gives me hope that I can pull his shoes next winter. Thrush also doesn't have a chance, my horse is no longer Mr Stinky Feet.



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    I had very good results building soles with keratex. I did not put pads on, and applied keratex pretty much daily.



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    I put icthammol on last night and diapered the foot. I'll probably start with the Durasole after a couple of days to be sure he isn't abscessing again, but if it's an abscess it's a huge one as he's pretty tender over the entire toe.

    Calling my vet too to see if they either want to take more Xrays or at least look at last set to see how tin the sole is....



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    2 years ago horse abcessed...vet xrayed foot. Sole measured at 7-14mm. Same foot xrayed last week and sole measured 22-24mm . It can and does get better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by qhwpmare View Post
    2 years ago horse abcessed...vet xrayed foot. Sole measured at 7-14mm. Same foot xrayed last week and sole measured 22-24mm . It can and does get better.
    It definitely can and does get better and I would for sure be asking my vet to take a look at the last x rays to measure the sole. My mare's soles thickened up with equipak.



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    I have one that used to have paper thin soles--so thin that he could even tolerate the pressure of a pour pad. His feet are great now--what worked for him was a heart bar with a RIM pad. He has other stuff going on in his feet but I really think what helps his soles thicken was the rim pad.

    I agree that a set of radiographs will help you see exactly what's going on in there.

    I'm also a big fan of Magic Cushion.
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    Teen-aged WB gelding has now gone lame three times within a week of being shod. Different farriers (one at WEF and one at home).
    then something in the shoeing needs changing.
    First time, horse was worked up to the nines and nothing was found other than an old calc in his DDFT. Put him in New Balance, horse stays sound for several months. Second time he goes lame in same foot, he pops an abscess.
    well that alone could potentially cause lameness, depending on where it was located in the tendon . I think you mean "Natural" Balance shoes? ). Changing to the Natural Balance shoes without changing the trim may help breakover, but it is the NB recommended TRIM that is even more important. (including the heels and bars) If the abscess was a heel abscess I suspect something lacking in the trim in the rear of the foot. Most of those begin underneath overgrown bars.
    But If the abscess was a sole abscess in the front of the foot, then with the thin soles maybe he got a bad stone bruise that ended up abscessing, OR he is geting mild laminitis after the shoeings .
    Now it's the third time, four months after last. Lame at walk with heat. I'm wondering if he just has thin soles and we need to be more careful while trimmed.
    Another potential scenario especially in a teenage horse, is low grade laminitis from insulin resistance. It will be subtle enough in many cases to be "off and on" without any classic "laminitis" symptoms until one day the horse falls into full blown ,classic clinical laminitis. Metabolic issues that cause early stage sub-clinical laminitis do not show all the usual "textbook" clinical signs. They may not hoof test sore, not even over the soles, they will not have a raised digital pulse, they are not totally lame, they do not stand with the classic 'founder stance'. They tend to have a history of getting lame after shoeing and trimming, and tend to be 'off and on' lame. I would seriously be looking at that and either ruling it out or confirming it. There are some parameters that can be measured on the lareral view X-Rays besides just the sole thickness that are 'tell tale' red flags as well. (dorsal horn- lamellar zone thickness, and distal descent of the coffin bone without rotation)

    Good close up photos would help, from the sides with the feet flat on hard ground, and pics of the soles taken with the camera perpendicular to the midle of the soles. Also current X-Rays, lateral and straight on AP to assess *internal* hoof balance. Most ongoing lameness has to do with hoof balance and the trim.

    So how do you shoe such a horse? We're thinking once we give him a few days we'll put regular shoes (get rid of New Balance as perhaps not needed) and pads on....

    Thoughts or ideas??
    1)You begin with the trim, paying particular attention to the heels and bars to remove overgrowth and get the base of the foot rearward under the leg. Leaving enough protective sole over the front part of the foot .
    2)Balancing the INSIDES of the foot medial laterally. (either trimming to the functional sole plane or getting fresh X-Rays as a guide ..and NOT using sighting down the leg or a T-square)
    3) Mapping the foot to center the shoeing around the coffin joint.
    4)using a sole-protective wide web shoe (the NB is a good shoe for that)
    5)easing breakover all the way around the foot, not just the toe.
    6)Frog support if the frog needs help , wedge pads * if the horse needs wedges to align the bones *.
    7)complete metabolic and dietary work up to rule out or treat the beginnings of metabolic issues in case it is low grade laminitis.
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
    Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
    www.hoofcareonline.com



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    Patty I always find your posts easy to follow and very informative! Thank you!
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    my horse had xrays to determine he has thin soles. He is shod bc he cannot go bf. But there is nothing unusual about the way he is shod. I do have a good farrier, but it is a typical shoeing.



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    Had great luck with rim pads, like them better then a full pad.

    But think you need to get more information to be sure you are dealing with thin soles and not something else that just has not blown up enough for a diagnosis.

    Seems to me, if he was never lame after shoeing before but was the last 3 times around with 2 different farriers? Might be something else going on. sounds like a nice horse so IMO some really good diagnostics are in order. At the clinic, not off the back of vets truck.
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