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    cross, I think it's also important to note, though...you had a dog very closely related to this breeding die very young--VERY young--of cancer. Getting a puppy is always a bit of a gamble, and all dogs have to die at some point, of something, and it is very often cancer...but you are really not stacking the deck in your favor here. I think you've really got to consider if you want to go through that experience again. Not that it WILL happen, but it certainly COULD, and you have a much higher chance of that with a puppy from this cross than with a puppy from lines that are more cancer-free.

    Personally, I would not take that risk. I cannot imagine how hard it was to lose such a young dog to cancer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nootka View Post
    I love my Ridgie x Greatest dog in the world. He was a pain in the ass puppy and challenged me a few times. He is very independent and sneeky. He is nervous in new situations but listens to me now that he is older (10ish). I love him!

    http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a94...AmaniDec18.jpg

    http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a94...aniDec18-1.jpg

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    I want one of these puppies!!!!
    Enjoyed the pictures...thanks for sharing!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cordial View Post
    Enjoyed the pictures...thanks for sharing!

    No problem I love my pup.

    I think everyone should post pictures if they are talking about their animal
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    Here ya go. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jociepo...4234/lightbox/

    This is an old picture. I've only one of those left -the guy on the left on the chair.

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    The adults i've known have been great farm dogs.. don't know about puppyhood, but i imagine the end result is worth the early years.. kinda like my OTTB... the dogs i've known haven't wandered, good with cats,etc..

    I want to see pictures of these puppies!



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    [QUOTE=twhs;6196879]My first dog was a ridgeback and she was fantastic. Maybe it's the breeding. I got Wendy from a breeder by the name of Jay Hyman who lived in Maryland. That was many years ago. My Wendy was an easy puppy who was raised with my infant daughter first in an apartment and then in a house with small yard. Wendy went well on a leash but also walked alongside the stroller without the leash. In hindsight, maybe Wendy was doing what she was bred to do: protect the child? She never ran off & always came when called. No fleas, no worms, no allergies, did not destroy toys, furniture, shoes. lol. Did not fetch!
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    Jay Hyman is still going strong! He helped me get AKC approval to judge ridgebacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    Here ya go. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jociepo...4234/lightbox/

    This is an old picture. I've only one of those left -the guy on the left on the chair.

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    I FREAKING LOVE your carpet!!

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    LOL! Thanks. It's a really big rug and I found it at one of those cast off stores Ollies I think. And it didn't cost that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simkie View Post
    cross, I think it's also important to note, though...you had a dog very closely related to this breeding die very young--VERY young--of cancer. Getting a puppy is always a bit of a gamble, and all dogs have to die at some point, of something, and it is very often cancer...but you are really not stacking the deck in your favor here. I think you've really got to consider if you want to go through that experience again. Not that it WILL happen, but it certainly COULD, and you have a much higher chance of that with a puppy from this cross than with a puppy from lines that are more cancer-free.

    Personally, I would not take that risk. I cannot imagine how hard it was to lose such a young dog to cancer.
    Simkie, I appreciate this advice, but...I know the chances are "there" with a potential pup with this family history, but if you read this whole Menagerie section, right this minute there are about 4 threads of cancer in dogs going on. It happens in all breeds. I had Boxers...walking cancer factories for close to 50 years and never lost one to cancer. I guess - DH willing, I would take a gamble on one of these pups. Ambush's mother whelped a litter of 12 pups in Jan. (sired by a different male) ALL have been sold and the next future litter is also sold out for prices of $2,500 and up. I'm sure none of the buyers were told about our "problem" with Ambush. He also had 11 full siblings - none of whom are ill (or admitting it.) I would hope that crossing out of the full BB breed to a RR might reduce the cancer chances. ("Hybrid vigor") We liked the full BB well enough to take a chance. It is not like I "ordered" the puppy...the litter is going to be born and SOMEONE is going to own each and every one. In the mean time we are totally enjoying our full Boxer puppy "Bravo". If fate deals us another sh** sandwich, I guess we'll deal with that, too. Thanks for your input, though. Jackie
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    I would hope that crossing out of the full BB breed to a RR might reduce the cancer chances. ("Hybrid vigor")
    you don't get "hybrid vigor" if the genetics are the same across breeds- for example, the genes that cause hip dsyplasia are the same across breeds, so if you breed a lab with bad hips to a collie with bad hips you get mutts with bad hips. You can also get the "bad genetics" carried across directly into the mix- I for example, owned a rottweiler mix. Rottweilers carry all sorts of nasty genetic diseases due to bad breeding practices, and you guessed it, my mutt managed to inherit all of them- the tendency to CCL tears, the rare hereditary cancer that almost always shows up only in rottweilers, etc.
    So don't count on it.

    if you read this whole Menagerie section, right this minute there are about 4 threads of cancer in dogs going on. It happens in all breeds.
    yes, cancer is something that affects mammals. It's one of the leading causes of death. However, when you look at cancer cases, the age of onset is a big clue to the cause- cases of cancer that occur in old individuals are more likely to be mostly caused by environment, vs. cases that occur in young individuals, that are more likely to be cause by genes. Breeders should be very concerned about cases of cancer arising in young and middle-aged dogs in their lines.

    ALL have been sold and the next future litter is also sold out for prices of $2,500 and up. I'm sure none of the buyers were told about our "problem" with Ambush. He also had 11 full siblings - none of whom are ill (or admitting it.) We liked the full BB well enough to take a chance. It is not like I "ordered" the puppy...the litter is going to be born and SOMEONE is going to own each and every one.
    this is just "designer breed" hype mentality- if you keep rewarding breeders for producing litters, they will produce more. It's like the "doodles": this the latest fad cross for your area, I guess. The higher prices they go for, the more people want them.
    You should subject the breeders to the usual battery of inquiries about the health tests they've subjected their breeding stock to, the temperament tests, etc. but really the whole situation shrieks "unethical backyard breeder out to make a fast buck", doesn't it?
    Since they are mutts, you can't predict what the dog will be like. Siblings will be radically different from each other, in both appearance and behavior. If I'm paying a breeder big bucks for a dog, I want to know what I'm getting for my money. If I don't really care, well, the shelters are already full of cheap mutts who need homes.



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    Well said, Wendy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simkie View Post
    Well said, Wendy.

    We do not have an overpopulation of dogs, we have an under population of responsible dog owners!!!



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    Wendy - I don't disaggree with what you are stating, but you are confusing facts. A "mutt" is of unknown ancestory. Crossing a registered RR with a registered BB is crossbreeding in my mind. Horse people do it all the time!! Characteristics should be pretty consistent with "known" parents. RR were a contributing breed in the formation of the BB. The pup I mentioned will be of a one time breeding and the female will then be spayed and kept for life. Not what one would refer to as a backyard breeder. The person owning and breeding Ambush's mother is one of the biggest Boerboel breeders in the USA and was the first person (verifiably) to introduce the Boerboel breed into the USA. Again - not a backyard breeder. Check out his web site: Proffer's Kennels, a state of the art facility. I mention the lack of disclosure to suggest that there are probably many breeders who fail to mention illnesses and death among their stock. I am not condoning it.
    As you stated - cancer occurs in many species. Should every sibling and parent of every animal struck with cancer be culled...just in case??
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    I have to say my opinion..

    Wendy, your agrument is extremely valid and an easy one to make.. however i can understand why the person posing this question would be interested in such a cross. I mean, she was so obviously impressed with the quality of her dog Ambush, and i think most breeders (of any animal) strive for temperment first. A Borebel (mastiff type?) Is a big dog, so i can see the appeal of downsizing.
    I own two rescues, so im all for adoption, however i think it is unfair to label all mixed breeds as "backyard". I think i would ve very interested in this cross.



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    maybe i should clarify.. "backyard breeders" i meant.. someone breeding a mixed breed on purpose



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    Quote Originally Posted by crosscreeksh View Post
    As you stated - cancer occurs in many species. Should every sibling and parent of every animal struck with cancer be culled...just in case??
    The sire and dam that produce a dog that dies of cancer before it is a year old should be spayed and neutered and not bred again, and any dogs related to those should be carefully scrutinized. Littermates to the dog that died should not be bred.

    A breeder that does not take a very young dog dying of cancer VERY seriously should not be considered an ethical breeder, IMO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simkie View Post
    The sire and dam that produce a dog that dies of cancer before it is a year old should be spayed and neutered and not bred again, and any dogs related to those should be carefully scrutinized. Littermates to the dog that died should not be bred.

    A breeder that does not take a very young dog dying of cancer VERY seriously should not be considered an ethical breeder, IMO.
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    For all the Rhodesian ridgeback fans, animal planet has a new episode of Too Cute featuring them tonight.. all puppies, im easily amused.



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