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  1. #1
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    Default Who should I breed my Voltaire mare to?

    I have a dark bay, 5 year old 16.3 hand mare whose sire is Voltaire and damsire is Blu Hors Romancier. I'm thinking of either breeding her to Balta Czar or Apiro. Are there any other stallions anyone would recommend? Not a lot needs improvement on the mare in my opinion except that I would like to add more bone. Looking to produce something with good movement and jump for the hunter ring. I'll try to get a good picture up soon.
    Last edited by McKenna95; Feb. 15, 2012 at 06:21 PM.



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    check out this thread from last week...

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...=voltaire+mare
    Cornerstone Equestrian
    Home of Amazing (Balou du Rouet/Voltaire)
    KWPN, ISR/Old NA, RPSI, and IHF stallion
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    Thank you horsechick. However, I was hoping for some different insights than what other people said on that thread because of her damline.



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    I don't have any great conformation pictures, but here are some from March of 2011.

    http://i40.tinypic.com/352odq0.jpg

    http://i43.tinypic.com/95mv6s.jpg

    Here is a head shot from January 2011.

    http://i42.tinypic.com/6fuosx.jpg



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    Rio Grande would be my choice for a Voltaire. I don't know if there is any still available, but there's my two cents.



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    Default Concerto Grosso

    I have a nice, but plain bay, Voltaire mare who I bred to Concerto Grosso two years ago (before I bought him) and got an awesome chestnut colt with lots of chrome. He is an amazing mover and went Premium at his AHHA inspection. PM me privately for an amazing deal on his stud fee.

    You will not be disappointed.

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    Default Balt'Amour and Bliss MF

    Quote Originally Posted by McKenna95 View Post
    I have a dark bay, 5 year old 16.3 hand mare whose sire is Voltaire and dam sire is Blu Hors Romancier. I'm thinking of either breeding her to Balta Czar or Apiro. Are there any other stallions anyone would recommend? Not a lot needs improvement on the mare in my opinion except that I would like to add more bone. Looking to produce something with good movement and jump for the hunter ring. I'll try to get a good picture up soon.
    Please have a look at my website to see two of my stallions Balt'Amour and Bliss MF. Balt'Amour is the son of Balta'Czar and because of his exceptional mare line, I believe is a better stallion. His mare line includes Ariadus, top Hunter sire for many years, Cheenook and Caretino, foundation Holsteiner sires and great producers of horses with a fantastic jump. On the bottom of the mare line is Hilda Gurney's imported foundation mare Libella V, who produced all of Hilda's Olympic Dressage horses. Also, on my web site, go to Born in 2009 and check out Bragging Rights MF. Be sure to look at his videos. This is a sample of what Balt'Amour is producing.

    I LOVE Apiro, but he is better suited to TB or very fine boned smaller mares.

    You might also consider Bliss MF who has a wonderful jump and extravagant movement. He is out of an Argentinus mare and the Argentinus/Voltaire combination has always been a good one. He is by Balou du Rouet, who has consistantly been producing incredible horses.

    Both of my stallions have terrific offspring on the ground and many more on the way soon (thank you everyone who bred to my stallions!) all of whom I am very excited to see!

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    Personally, Im in love with Balta Czar's style over a fence. I have a mare by him and she has the same great style. He really stamps them. He also has a great damline. This is not to take away from Maggie's stallions. They seem nice as well though I haven't seen any of their offspring in person yet so I won't compare. I have seen numerous Balta Czar's in person and have not seen one I didn't like. I also like Apiro. Your mare is nice and I think BC or Apiro are fine choices. She doesn't seem too large boned that Apiro would be a problem. JMO. I would also say to look at Amazing as I love that stallion, but that won't work with your mare's breeding I suppose. Good luck with her. She is lovely.



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    Thank you for the suggestions everyone!



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    I personally agree with MaggieF, I have a mare bred to Apiro this year and I love him but I think he does cross better with smaller boned mares as he throws a lot of size. I have a very refined TB mare that is going to Apiro this year but my other mares are going to Balt Amour and Bliss MF and they are both really nice stallions. Bliss will you give you a longer leg and really nice trot. Balt Amour will bulk your mare up a little but not like Apiro would and Apiro is also going to throw a ton of height and with your mare already being 16.3 you are going to be something really tall, 17-17.2 I would say, unless that is what you want.

    Also Maggie Fullington at Marabet farm (Balt Amour and Bliss MF) is an awesome stallion owner and very experienced breeder. She always goes above and beyond. All three of the stallions are really nice that's why I am using them all this year.



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    I also really really like C Quito...can you do frozen?
    Cornerstone Equestrian
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    KWPN, ISR/Old NA, RPSI, and IHF stallion
    www.cornerstonefarmpa.com



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    Saw C Quito at a BWP inspection. I adore him. He is ultra quiet and jumps and moves so well. He is a quintessential hunter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by horsechick View Post
    I also really really like C Quito...can you do frozen?
    I prefer fresh cooled but I'll consider doing frozen for the right stallion.



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    The two stallions you are looking at are very, very different stallions in both type and size. Having seen them both and seen offspring by both, Apiro will add bone consistently. Some of the Balta Czar offspring I have seen are light in the bone dept even while out of mares with good bone. Not to take anything away from him, as he's a nice stallion but I would not look to him as a guarantee to add bone.
    "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."



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    If you are looking for improved movement and boning you may wish to look at New Blessing Farm's Legaczy. http://www.newblessingfarm.com/Stallion.php He is by Alla Czar and a super boy with a fantastic temperment. Here is my now 2 yr old filly by Legaczy, Karissa Herself http://www.herselffarm.com/images/Ka...-_Yearling.JPG

    She was Reserve Champion Hunter Breeding Foal at Warrenton in 2010.

    I have a lovely Balta Czar filly, Daz. However I agree with Pony Girl, he did not add bone nor size. Daz is only 15.2, an inch and 1/2 shorter than her dam, Mystery. Mystery's yearling Ironman filly, is already 15 hands.

    Look also at Ironman: http://www.ironmanonline.com/ The temperment and type on his filly are incredible, she gets better and better with each day.

    I highly recommend both Legaczy and Ironman's owners, they are super to work with!
    http://www.herselffarm.com
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    Legaczy will definitely add bone without coarseness. You can see some of his foals here out of a variety of mare types.

    http://www.newblessingfarm.com/In_The_Ribbons.html
    New Blessing Farm
    Standing the Oldenburg stallion Legaczy
    www.newblessingfarm.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by sporthorsefilly View Post
    Look also at Ironman: http://www.ironmanonline.com/ The temperment and type on his filly are incredible, she gets better and better with each day.

    I highly recommend both Legaczy and Ironman's owners, they are super to work with!
    I would second Ironman! He added bone and improved on movement. Plus, you can't ask for a better temperment. I took my Ironman 3yr old out for a trail ride after only being backed 3times with less than an hour in the saddle . She has been super easy! I'm very impressed especially since the dam is extremely hot and can be spooky.

    Great stallion owner too!!!



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    We just had a Voltaire filly and LOVE her you can see photos of her on our FB page here:
    Hollanda P (Voltiare x Ahorn x Lord Calando x Ahorn Z)
    http://www.facebook.com/PrimaEquestr...0443973&type=3

    She is just a couple of days in the photos we will be posting more soon.

    Last year we had a Voltaire x Emilion x Larome x G. Ramiro Z filly, Goddess P:
    http://www.facebook.com/PrimaEquestr...0443973&type=3

    Voltaire does cross will with Nimmerdor blood and also I have seen several very, very nice Voltaire x Indoctro crosses all top jumpers and very nice looking horses.

    I would look for a son of Nimmerdor or Indoctro for your mare.
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    Might I suggest our BWP Elite, KWPN Crown Erkend stallion : IMOTHEP. He's a son of Indoctro currently jumping 1.50m and progressing to 1.60m. Super modern type with a great mind, good conformation, elasticity and power. He's had 2 Champion colts, one of which we had last year and sold to Europe. He is being offered with Fresh until the end of May and then he'll be back in the show ring prepping to compete in Europe this summer.

    I also have frozen semen from a Cardento x Libero H x Nimmerdor stallion: Zilverstar VDL. Big, nice bone, powerful and very much in tune with the Capitol line in his father line. We also have frozen from an Indoctro x Nimmerdor x Uppercut xx stallion : Victor E. He's currently jumping 1.50+ and most recently placed 8th in the WCQ in Tampa. He's well built with good conformation, modern type, brave and wonderful temperament. Both of these stallions are KWPN Activated.

    Great choices and that's what we are here to do for sport horse breeding in the US. Offering top quality horses that we can depend on!
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