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  1. #21
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    i am not against horse dentists but food for thought.... if something goes wrong with sedation then you have to pay two bills!
    I had my horses teeth done by a vet who oversedated my horse.... he ended up falling and injuring himself quite badly... fortunatly this was at the vet clinic so there was another vet and numerous vet techs to help out. My new vet (cuz that would be stupid to go back to that guy who oversedated) always has a tech with her when she comes to our barn.
    When i used the horse dentist it all went well adn he did a very good job but after the oversedation incident I would rather keep a consistent person doing my horses teeth.
    Be aware (even of vets) of what type of sedation they are using and how much. After this incident i reviewed my records from previous floats and that vet gave my horse 2X the amount of the other vets/dentist and also make sure that whoever you decide to have do the float doesn't just give your horse a huge dose at once. My current vet ALWAYS gives the minimum and then will "top them up" if they need it. Every horse is different and every vet has their own "cocktail" of sedatives they uses o i guess what i'm trying to say is BE AWARE when it comes to sedatives.



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    It is pretty much universally frowned upon now for a non-vet dentist to sedate a horse. That doesn't keep the owner from doing it, but I wouldn't ask or expect a dentist to sedate my horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davistina67 View Post
    In thousands n thousands of floats I've never seen it happen. It always came back to something the horse got into such as in the hay or a weed or something.
    Sounds like nirvana, what's the name of this special place? I would love to learn about all their dentistry protocols.

    Quote Originally Posted by davistina67 View Post
    I have heard a couple horror stories of blood dripping everywhere from people that hand float in an attempt to get the hooks in the back
    You should be ashamed.

    OP, where you present during the float? More info would be helpful.. how he eating, can he eat hay, what were the floater's comments?? Update please.



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    IMO, vet. Vet will look at the whole horse. Dentist will look at the mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltawave View Post

    Generally speaking if I have an issue, a problem, or something I want checked out very specifically I will have the vet out to do a good EXAM under sedation. .

    Ditto. If there appears to be a particular issue with your horse after having an equine dentist do a float I would call the vet to do an exam.

    FWIW, I have used both an Equine dentist and my vet for my geldings teeth. Both used sedation. My gelding MUST be sedated and he requires two people to do a good job. I have used my vet for the past several years. She is very thorough and precise just as she is in every other aspect of her veterinary practice. There are other vets I would NOT use for teeth. There are many local eq dentists I also would NOT use.
    As with anything there are the good, the mediocre and the bad. Do your research



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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothgrinder View Post
    Sounds like nirvana, what's the name of this special place? I would love to learn about all their dentistry protocols.

    You should be ashamed.

    OP, where you present during the float? More info would be helpful.. how he eating, can he eat hay, what were the floater's comments?? Update please.
    You really are something aren't you!

    OP, I don't think you said how long ago it was. IF it was soft tissue damage from someone blindly shoving a file around in the mouth and if it has been several weeks the soft tissue damage should have healed. How long has it been?



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    Be aware that clover can cause "slobbers" in some horses. It may just be the hay.
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    Oh Patty, not the clover. Whatever you do, don't mention clover.



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    Out of curiosity, did this new dentist give your horse a bit seat? Because that can cause the slobbering, and definitely explains the avoidance to the bit.....
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    I've only seen a few with "bit seats" but never saw one cause a gorse any problems.
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    Nor a horse.
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    The only way a bit seat MIGHT cause bit avoidance or slobbering is if the dentist was a complete idiot and gave the horse a massive bit seat and got into the live part of the tooth. We would hope he/she knew better then that as that's class 101!



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    The answer to this question is dependent on the professionals you have available in your area. No one here can say if the equine dentist you call is a better choice than the vet you want to call.

    If my horse is having a problem I usually start with the vet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LookinSouth View Post
    Ditto. If there appears to be a particular issue with your horse after having an equine dentist do a float I would call the vet to do an exam.
    Agreed.

    There are other vets I would NOT use for teeth. There are many local eq dentists I also would NOT use.
    As with anything there are the good, the mediocre and the bad. Do your research
    Problem is, there are no "professional" requirements for equine dentists in most states. Anyone, including farriers and others without a single hour of training, can have business cards made up and call themselves "Equine Dentists".
    How do you research that?

    Completely agree there are a lot of vets who suck at dentistry and qualified specialists are too few and far between.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rcloisonne View Post
    Problem is, there are no "professional" requirements for equine dentists in most states. Anyone, including farriers and others without a single hour of training, can have business cards made up and call themselves "Equine Dentists".
    How do you research that?

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    Indeed there are no "professional requirements" but there are equine dentists whom do have credentials and training from Equine Dentistry schools. Asking questions like "where did you receive your training ?" etc.. would be the first step of that research .

    If the floater is just some Joe Schmoe farrier that does teeth on the side then they won't have those credentials.

    My next step would be asking for references and perhaps googling the individual. Also, asking my vet for their thoughts on the individual would be a good idea too.



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    Thanks for your input everyone. I have decided to have the vet look at the horse.The raising of the head is new and very unlike this mare that naturally carries her head low. She was floated about 2 weeks before this began.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LookinSouth View Post
    Indeed there are no "professional requirements" but there are equine dentists whom do have credentials and training from Equine Dentistry schools. Asking questions like "where did you receive your training ?" etc.. would be the first step of that research .

    If the floater is just some Joe Schmoe farrier that does teeth on the side then they won't have those credentials.

    My next step would be asking for references and perhaps googling the individual. Also, asking my vet for their thoughts on the individual would be a good idea too.
    You're mostly correct about the lack of professional requirements or credentials for lay dentists but that situation is changing. Some states, like Texas, are recognizing IAEDT certification. Every state has different rules. http://www.avma.org/advocacy/state/i...procedures.asp

    Some schools were started by "Joe Schmoes" without any formal training. Other schools have been started by licensed vets. You may also find a lay dentist who has not been to school but instead learned through apprenticeship. You'll need to develop an opinion on what you prefer.

    I would tackle finding a good dentist by asking around in your local horse community, trainers, barn owners, blacksmiths, vets, .....word of mouth is the best, most honest advertising and you'll hopefully find someone excellent.



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    I have the best of two worlds here. A husband dentist and wife veterinarian. They come as a team.
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    Choosing the right vet for your horse can be a big decision. It is important to make sure you are completely happy with them and their methods. Like doctors, equestrian vets will differ in methodology.



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    Both of them are equally important and has to perform the task irrespective of other factors equally. We have to choose the vet and because of them our horse should be completely happy with them and their methods and like doctors they to have different methodology.



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