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  1. #1
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    Cool You're fired!

    I have the most ridiculous situation going on at my barn and am at a loss as to what to do next. Here are the general details: Met with potential client in September, discuss our training program, client likes program and loves facility, decides to send several yearlings and a few older horses with "special needs".
    Everything is basically fine for the first six weeks. Horses are "learning" to be racehorses and older ones are continuing to progress in thier recuperation. THEN when the first full monthly bill is sent problems start.... Wants to be billed directly by farrier, doesn't want to use my joint supplement, wants a different worming product. AND wants a reduced rate because of the # of horses!!
    I work everything out but state that the bills must be paid by the 10th of every month for the discount and farrier/vets must be paid in that time frame also. Moaning and complaining that "no one in this business expects to be paid that quickly" but ok.
    Soooo the 10th comes and goes, no check. Horses are due to be done and the farrier has not been paid for 2 visits so refuses to do the work. I make the call to find out what is going on and the client UNLOADS on me about how s/he has never had to deal with such a situation!
    To cut to the chase - the client is "fired". Horses are taken out of training and is asked to remove them ASAP. That was one month ago!! New facility keeps saying "We don't have room, but we'll be shipping some soon"
    I haven't included all the sordid details - but that's the gist of it. How do I get rid of these horses?!? I need to get paid for the board but they just won't go!!



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    That exact same thing happened to me. There is a thread here about it somewhere if you feel like searching. Basically it varies by state but in my state as soon as he was 30 days late I had the right to sell the horse at public auction. I had to publish a notice in the courthouse and in the local newspaper. Thankfully he took possession of the horse before it came to that and I sued in small claims for the money. He sent me a check a few days before the court case. This takes MONTHS so don't delay, get the wheels of justice, whatever that may be in your state rolling.



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    Oh I'm not worried about the getting paid part of it, they are paid up through the end of December now - but they won't get them out! If I have a problem with a trainer my horses are out ASAP! It is unbelievable!
    Last edited by Spotted Pony; Jan. 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM. Reason: typo



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    Oh, that is good! I would tell him that as long as the horses are in the stalls you can't put a training horse in it so he will be paying the full training rate. That should do it!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    Oh, that is good! I would tell him that as long as the horses are in the stalls you can't put a training horse in it so he will be paying the full training rate. That should do it!
    Ditto Laurie, that's ridiculous.
    Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
    Sam: A job? Does it pay?
    Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
    Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.



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    And this is why I won't do lay ups. The biggest problem is that these horses are not looked at as pets, and usually there is zero emotional attachment to the animal. With decreasing value, alot of people have no qualms about just letting the horse go vs actually paying what they owe. Huge difference between racetrack mentality vs show/pleasure horse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Acertainsmile View Post
    And this is why I won't do lay ups. The biggest problem is that these horses are not looked at as pets, and usually there is zero emotional attachment to the animal. With decreasing value, alot of people have no qualms about just letting the horse go vs actually paying what they owe. Huge difference between racetrack mentality vs show/pleasure horse.
    There are plenty of "horse lovers" outside of the racing world who will walk away from their horse and its outstanding board bill.



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    Memo to all trainers and owners:
    Get references.
    This is a business that attracts a fair percentage of shitheads.



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    Quote Originally Posted by On the Farm View Post
    There are plenty of "horse lovers" outside of the racing world who will walk away from their horse and its outstanding board bill.
    I've seen more in the racing world, been in both.



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    Depending on your state, there are usually some kind of automatic "livestock leins" for livestock caretakers. (including boarded horses)
    You will have to go through a process of certain required types of notification(usually certified letter)and some kind of public notification of upcoming lein sale but then at the end of the required time frame after notification the horse owner either has to pay up or the horses are yours to sell at auction. If I remember correctly from when I was in California it was 30 days notification by certified mail and two newspper ads .And if these are race hoses there may be sime thing you need to do through Jockey club to after to get the paprs, check with them.
    As well now that the owner is behind, you may be able to refuse to allow the horses to leave so you can get paid or sell them but it depends on the law where you are. So anyway check your state livestock care statutes online and see how it works where you are. Good luck.
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
    Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
    www.hoofcareonline.com



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    PS my ex and I once took in a horse that had gotten terribly injured in a trailer acident not far from the track where we trained. (Pleasanton)
    The vet who was called by the state troopers recommended the horse be brought to us because it was closest to the accident scene, it was a hoof injury, we were both farriers , and the vet was there at the track every day anyway. (The filly took the front of her hind hoof off and a large bit of the coffin bone with it) And she was SKINNY.
    So we all got together (vet, owner and us by phone) that night and made an agreement . (the horse owner who lived in southern Ca and we were in Northern)
    Long story short, after several months of intensive work this filly got sound enough to go back and race again and looked terrific.

    Our reward?? The jack arse who owned her kept stalling on payments so we finally allowed her to go back to southern CA to get her off our payroll and cut our losses as much as possible.
    After chasing him for months for pay, and finding out the filly was racing again, we threatened to go to the stewards for non payment and we finally got about half the agreed price we saved that horse.
    She went back to making money and looked ten times better when she left our barn than when she came, we saved her hoof, and we got s k rewed .
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
    Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
    www.hoofcareonline.com



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