[JenEM]

I've tried to ignore this, but....

Thank you, Midge. Well stated and well informed! I agree with you.

As to the issues people had with the nominations for judicial positions put forth by Bush's administration, check out the article in the Dec. issue of Vanity Fair. The ones that stick out in my mind were a woman (from Texas?) who was vehemently anti-abortion, to the point of going beyond the letter of the law in court cases about it, and an African-American woman from California who was opposed to Affirmative Action, who was not well liked by her peers there.

[Midge]

Of course, one cannot ignore the humor involved in the mission to caputre Saddam being named Red Dawn and the possible sites. Wolverine One and Wolverine Two. Mr. Midge did have to point it out to me, but I just about laughed myself sick. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

[poltroon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CTT:
They could not provide proper documents and there was much speculation as to what they were up to. There many tense moments but the fact is they violated the treaty. There was much speculation as to why they needed some of the chemicals ordered from various other countries. You put the list together and you have the mixture of some massive problems. The fact is so far we have not found anything but that doesn’t mean they are not there. It is like a big archeological dig to find what they didn’t want us to see when we went in to inspect and they refused to let us inspect.
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CTT, please thank your parents from us for their service. It is much appreciated.

I completely agree that Hussein was up to no good in general, and was sliding through any loophole he could. But I can't help remembering that the US cannot account for all its equipment (in particular I recall quite a few missing laptops) either. I doubt he had much in the way of weapons, but I have no doubt that he was watching and waiting for an opportunity to change that.

I hope that there will be a solid investigation of the intelligence and other issues, because clearly we didn't find what we expected, and we were sure we knew where things were. There are many possibilities (including that the weapons did exist and are now in even less friendly hands) that are all pretty bad.

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Be glad you don’t half to live the life they did. Most of us on this board are woman and the bottom line is we would not be on this board talking like we are if we lived there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Every day I think about how fortunate I am to have been born in the United States. However, Iraq has been actually one of the better Arab countries to be a woman in. Ordinary women could in general drive, could be educated, hold high ranking jobs, etc. Compare to, say, our buddies in Saudi Arabia.

He was a horrible, horrible guy. I'm glad he's gone. But please, let us not forget that there have been and continue to be world leaders who have been even more repressive: ie, it can be worse, and it is now our responsibility to ensure that the replacement government is better.

[nhwr]

dcm,

I read a lot of George Will and William F. Buckley. But I can't spend too much time on "the dark side", lol.

I am basically a liberal BUT I get bored with all the preaching to the choir media reporting. Plus some liberal positions just don't make any sense to me. So I like to read and listen to news from all different angles. I think it is the only way to really figure out what is going on. If you only consider opinions that re-inforce your position (instead of making you think), you are wasting your time,IMO.

[Nitro's Mommy]

I was caught in a crossfile poltic discussion (at a Christmas party of all things) My republican friend whom I love to death was doing serious Democrat bashing, and I just wasn't in the mood to talk poltics, so I polietly said, "Please excuse me while I refill my drink..." whilst making eye contact with my liberal friend across the table http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

Sometimes beating a dead skunk just ain't fun anymore!!!

"We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces, singing Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses." --some country song http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

[starlady]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doron:
Is bosh happy now atleast?
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Starlady- nice to know there is more people from Israel on this BB.
Sound bit painful to sit like that for 2 weeks, I'm glad I was only 1 year old http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doron,

Ask your parents how it was to sit in the sealed rooms, I'm sure they will have a lot to tell you!

Where do you ride?

--s.

Under carefully controlled conditions of breeding, training, and care, a horse will do whatever it damn well pleases.

[Albion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mr Ashcroft makes J. Edgar Hoover look well adjusted<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, thank you, thank you, nhwr, you just caused me to spit a Tom Collins all over my computer (that'll be a sticky mess in the morning!). Ashcroft terrifies me. Absolutely makes my blood run cold. And that one was one of the funniest, most apt things I've read in a long time!

'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

[Doron]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starlady:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doron:
Is bosh happy now atleast?
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Starlady- nice to know there is more people from Israel on this BB.
Sound bit painful to sit like that for 2 weeks, I'm glad I was only 1 year old http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doron,

Ask your parents how it was to sit in the sealed rooms, I'm sure they will have a lot to tell you!

Where do you ride?

--s.

Under carefully controlled conditions of breeding, training, and care, a horse will do whatever it damn well pleases. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My dad is a pilot, he wasn't home that time..
My mom sayed it wasn't so bad...I slept most of the time and my older brothers were 14 and 16 so they were big enough to sit quietly..

I ride at Ein- Hamifratz, it's a kibbuts in the north (next to Akko and Nariya)

[Marcella]

The media has their own agenda and decides what they think is important. They also put a liberal slant on most issues with the government because the media is owned mostly by people that are supportive of the emocratic party. For example, Viacom (huge company) owns the New York Post, LA Times, and several TV stations. The New York Post and LA Times is as liberal as you can get. Dont' think that because you read those papers you are well informed of world reconstructing issues, because you are not. Viacom also gives lots of money to the Democrats, who in turn protect them. The shield the liberals hide behind saying they will protect the little people is just a shield. They do it to get other people's votes, and then protect the big businesses that they denounce because those businesses give money to them. Marc Rich, for example and the millions of dollars he gave to the Clintons after being pardoned for $48 million dollars of tax fraud.

Just think of that next time you hear the liberals saying that myself and my tax dollars are responsible for paying for so and so's healthcare. I hate entitlement. This government owes you nothing except protection, which many people seem to have forgotten.

There will be a lot of stuff to come out of this development. There have been many countries helping Iraq. Syria and Iran are next.

Anyhow, I am getting off my tangent. I am going to go ride my beautiful horse now.

TS Clique*Chestnut Horse Clique*GPA Clique*Amateur Rider Clique*

[Ride'emCO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sea Monkey:
I thought he looked like Santa Claus.

Merry Christmas America. ;D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's so funny! I had friends over for the weekend, and we turned on the TV with the sound low when we all woke up. The first thing that we saw was the video of Saddam in the examining room looking all wooly and gross. Joe says, "Hey, it's Bad Santa!" http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/lol.gif Then we turned up the volume and listened and heard what was happening, we couldn't believe it! Yay for our troops! We took care of Bad Santa!

[Ride'emCO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by khobstetter:
_NOW..#1.._ It is AMAZING to me that people still reduce this issue to 9-11...9-11 was the straw that _BROKE THE CAMELS BACK!!_ Get it ?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

This is the "leader" that slaughtered masses, chopped up fathers while his their wives and children watched..hung and be headed collage age students in the town square because they voiced an opinion...

_If he ever were to get out..I PRAY he lives right next door to you people who are mad at the USA for taking him down..may he be YOUR neighbor, may he decide the fate of YOUR father, may he "play" with the future of YOUR children!!!!_

_AND ...#2_ I was in Germany when the plnes hit and I got stuck there an extra week, I go there several times of year. I did an article on Towerheads for Kenny about the people and their resistence...

Simply put..they (for the most part) were NEVER against the war..they are so war "tired" on their own land they simply were afraid of their neighbor and the retaliation he WOULD show them!!! I stood in the middle of Hamburg at the base of a Church steeple that was about 20 stories high...thats ALL that was left of that entire block after the last war.

Until we have WAR on our own land - we have no right to judge, until we see our cities leveled - we have no right to judge, until we live UNDER air planes bombing our omes and cities and schools - we have no right to judge, until we have MILLIONS of people exterminated on our own land we have no right to judge!!!!

I'll try to post the link to the story, or copy some for here.

I for one an glad my grandchildren will NEVER have to worry about this _ONE!!!_

And as for you guys who say WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE FIGHT BECAUSE "there are lots of these guys there"...you are right, there are more...AND AT LEAST WE HAVE GOTTEN RID OF ONE!!!!

While I do not agree, I understand

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http://www.go-sho.org<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many, Many good points here.

My own:
1. During the Iran/Iraq war, when they were trying to negotiate a ceasefire, Saddam's minister of Health suggested that if Saddam were to step down for just a little while, the ceasefire would go through more easily, and then he would return to power. Saddam said thank you very much for your opinion, and jailed the man. When the Minister's wife begged him to return her husband to her, Saddam said, of course, right away, and returned the man to his wife posthaste in a bag, cut into pieces!!!

2. It amazes me that people rely so much on what the media has to say on something like this. Keep in mind that we have incredible intelligence capabilities in this country, and our president and his advisors have way more information than the average citizen will ever know. Have a teensy bit of faith that our leaders are making these decisions based upon a LOT of information.

That's not to say we should all follow like sheep, just that we do not have all the facts, like some seem to think we do.

[Ride'emCO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:
Sometimes I think to myself "I'm a smart woman. I know what I'm talking about. I can arm-chair-quarterback George Bush's military actions. The dumb punk."

Then I look over to consult with my cabinet members, my intelligence advisors, military experts, international affairs gurus, and I realize I don't freakin' have any!!
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YES!!! You rock!

[BaldEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ride'emVA:

Many, Many good points here.

My own:

That's not to say we should all follow like sheep, just that we do not have all the facts, like some seem to think we do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyway it seems that those "facts" are not even needed... http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/uhoh.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A leading Shia cleric called for Mr. Hussein's execution, a call likely to be echoed across Iraq where millions have suffered and hundreds of thousands were killed by the regime.

"We want Saddam to get what he deserves. I believe he will be sentenced to hundreds of death sentences at a fair trial because he's responsible for all the massacres and crimes in Iraq," said Amar al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

Only last week, the Iraqi Governing Council established a war-crimes tribunal and the Bush administration is expected to hand Mr. Hussein over to the council, although not until after months of interrogation.

The Globe and Mail - 'The tyrant is a prisoner'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[SaudiHunter]

Yes,

And I hope our government will use this Saddam experience as a lesson...be VERY careful who you support with money and weapons in regional conflicts..Less than 20 years since the Iran-Iraq war and Saddam started harboring terrorists and becoming an international rogue.

~~"a chicken in every pot and a zonkey in every barn"~~prospective motto for the modern New Deal

[BaldEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaudiHunter:
And I hope our government will use this Saddam experience as a lesson...be VERY careful who you support with money and weapons in regional conflicts. Less than 20 years since the Iran-Iraq war and Saddam started harboring terrorists and becoming an international rogue.
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SaudiHunter:

There is nothing to learn here and politically speaking, what you have said is completely meaningless.

I explain: Alliances are made out of convenience in a certain moment and are undone by the same way at another.
Not to go too back in History, I just start around WW II.

To stop the Germans the US was an ally of the Soviet Union and sent large shipments of war material to that country under a lent lease agreement. The war wasn’t even finished and Roosevelt died. Truman changed everything and the cold war was born with the two most formidable foes in mankind’s history…

To contain the Iranian revolution within Iran’s borders the Western Nations (not only the US) supported Saddam against them.
As soon as the war was finished that aid stopped and when the activities of Saddam were taken into account, most of the Nations stopped dealing with him, with the exception of Russia, Germany, Japan, France and Arab countries, mainly Saudi Arabia.
Much of that money was extended by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, in part to help Saddam Hussein finance his war against a shared antagonist, Iran.

“Iraq's indebtedness is estimated at about 400 percent of GDP, making it a heavily indebted country. Among key lenders belonging to the Paris Club of creditors, Russia and France are each owed about $8 billion by Iraq, while its loans to Germany total about $4.3 billion. The biggest single creditor is Saudi Arabia, to which Iraq owes $25 billion.”

Russia went as far as asking the US for guarantees that all debt would be paid and that THEY would continue as main suppliers of Iraq to support the war effort… When the US failed to give such guarantees, they turned against it…
Now, just GUESS WHY those countries, the main lenders, were against the war…

When he invaded Kuwait a coaliation of nations was formed against him an army to take him out.

To stop the Soviets in Afghanistan the US and the CIA armed certain anti-soviet groups that really helped to drive them out. One of such groups is now Al-Quaeda…the #1 enemy of the US with the US military hunting them.

Politicians sometimes have no option but to choose between bad things the lesser evil and that will never change http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[This message was edited by BaldEagle on Dec. 17, 2003 at 03:25 PM.]