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    Default Quidam's clone will be breeding in 2012

    (read in "World of Show Jumping")
    Quidam's clone will be standing in Belgium at staal de Muze (Joris de Brabander) under the name of Quidam de Revel II Z.
    He will be standing next to Quidam son and grandson: Nabab de Reve and Vigo d'Arsouilles.
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    Any idea of what his fee will be, Andy? Ought to be interesting to see how many breeders use him....especially as Zangersheide "will" recognize and register offspring by a clone.
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    There is no price on the De Brabander website for 'Quidam II',but I have seen that the clone of ET,available in France, is priced at 450euro per dose!



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    I think the name should be followed by CC-Carbon Copy

    Ie: Quidam De Revel CC

    lol

    Saying Quidam II is confusing and makes one think he is just a full brother. Holstein designates full brothers in this way.

    Just saying...

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    kathy, the price is not yet published.
    Tim, the complete name is: Quidam de Revel II Z (CL)
    CL for clone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyTimMick View Post
    I think the name should be followed by CC-Carbon Copy
    <ROTFL>....does anyone use carbon for carbon copies anymore? It's obsolete, Tim. It would have to be just plain copy, wouldn't it?

    Saying Quidam II is confusing and makes one think he is just a full brother.
    But...but...but...he IS a full brother! I'm sure all the identical twins in the world would be indignant if someone said they weren't brothers (or sisters) !

    Just sayin' <LOL>...Sorry...couldn't resist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equine Reproduction View Post
    <ROTFL>....does anyone use carbon for carbon copies anymore? It's obsolete, Tim. It would have to be just plain copy, wouldn't it?



    But...but...but...he IS a full brother! I'm sure all the identical twins in the world would be indignant if someone said they weren't brothers (or sisters) !

    Just sayin' <LOL>...Sorry...couldn't resist!

    he is not a twin...a twin came from the fertilized egg from the mother and father. The clone is not from the mother and father , he is from Quidam de Revel.

    The clone only has the same genetic makeup , he is not identical.

    I wouldn't call him a full brother either. He is a clone......hence the name. The clone is made by Quidam.....not the parents of Quidam , therefore i will never look at the clone as a full brother.



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    I thought there was a thread somewhere that had stated the clone had died..

    Apparently NOT.

    What website is he listed on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayhawk View Post
    he is not a twin...a twin came from the fertilized egg from the mother and father. The clone is not from the mother and father , he is from Quidam de Revel.

    The clone only has the same genetic makeup , he is not identical.

    I wouldn't call him a full brother either. He is a clone......hence the name. The clone is made by Quidam.....not the parents of Quidam , therefore i will never look at the clone as a full brother.
    <sigh>...It was a JOKE!!! And FWIW, many consider a clone a twin separated by time.

    "Identical" twins are not identical, either. Human twins have a few variations, including fingerprints (how's that for a piece of useless trivia?) Semantics. But it's a matter of splitting hairs...or cells as it were <LOL>. <shrug> It will be interesting to see if the boy gets some breedings.
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    really will be interesting to see if he gets breedings. I thought it was fairly clear that no offspring of clones are permitted to show in FEI regulated shows. Or are people going to hedge their bets and do it anyway hoping the air will clear on that issue?



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    This is based on very old scientific data; about 10 y/o.
    There has been huge advances since this time.
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    Fact of the matter is, the clones are still weaker, die early and there are still significant problems with the clones.
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    I've thought this since inception. There is no way a clone can receive the same material that a fertilized egg can.

    I am another that doesn't want clones anywhere near my breeding.

    There is something to be said for the mother raising her own foal also. This is one reason why embryo transfer hasn't produced many top horses.



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    no clones for me either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy.smaga View Post
    (read in "World of Show Jumping")
    Quidam's clone will be standing in Belgium at staal de Muze (Joris de Brabander) under the name of Quidam de Revel II Z.
    He will be standing next to Quidam son and grandson: Nabab de Reve and Vigo d'Arsouilles.
    'Alongside' may not mean 'available' to North American breeders. I was interested in using NdR, but have been disappointed.



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    Human twins have a few variations, including fingerprints (how's that for a piece of useless trivia?)

    See Kathy, that is no problem for humans but you just exposed a huge problem for cloned horses who may have a different hoof print No hoof, no horse.

    No I do not like cloning and even though it is an interesting study, improving something faulty that we can not control because we do not know what faulty DNA/RNA etc is being introduced is still faulty. Introducing this into the pool of natural born beings is risky. IMHO keep them separate as they are definitely not the same (yet?) too many factors are uncontrolled in these subjects.

    I find new and improved "real" horses much more interesting and we have many of those every year...
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    Sorry, I can't remember how to post links. If you go to Eurodressage you can find the article by Tom Reed, "Pink Flamingos and Pink Horses, The Cloning Crux" from 9/9/11 that has the FEI position on clones in it..



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    Thanks Tom! Great article.



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