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  1. #1
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    Dear Fellow Horse Owners,

    The federal government has launched an ID tagging program whereby all livestock (horses included) will need to be officially identified with a lifetime identification number via microchips or eartags. For obvious reasons, eartags are not suitable to equines, thus it is likely the form of ID that will be used on horses will be microchips. The government also seeks to register under this program all premises where horses are kept. Fees will be charged for all aspects of this proposed plan as well as the costs associated with the mandated veterinary installation of the microchip into your horse/horses.

    Read all about this ill-conceived plan for horses at www.usaip.info and view the American Horse Council's PowerPoint presentation at http://usaip.info/USAIPEquineReport.ppt


    Many horse owners are opposed to this program for the following reasons:

    We believe that this plan will cost horse owners a great deal of money to implement and we find there are no benefits to us as horse owners warranting this type of expense or plan.

    We do not believe that horses should be regulated as part of the human food chain, as are cattle, pigs and sheep, because horsemeat is not consumed in the United States.

    We do not believe that horse owners should be made to comply with a plan that is designed to to trace back the origins of disease, such as mad cow disease, and to ensure the safety of meat products from livestock that are consumed in the United States or abroad.

    We believe that this plan will have a devastating effect on the welfare of horses, as many smaller horse rescue groups, private owners and small equine businesses will not be able to absorb the costs of compliance with this plan and will be forced out of business.

    We believe that this plan is an invasion of our privacy and of our rights as horse owners and Americans. Because we do not raise horses for food in our country, we should not be forced by the US government to comply.

    We believe that is our right to speak out against this plan, and that the opinions of this country's 6.9 million horses must be heard and acted upon by the groups who represent us as well as acted upon by us as individuals.

    What you can do to help stop this plan for horses and protect your rights as a horse owner:

    Forward the following information to me at glv190@aol.com if you wish to have your name added to our list of horse owners who oppose the USAIP: your name, stable or business name, address, phone numbers, the number and breeds of horses you own, and the names of any club or breed organizations to which you belong.

    Write to the horse industry organizations that have members on the equine advisory task force for the USAIP, and tell them that you do NOT support this plan for equines. A list of the contact information for people on the task force is provided below.

    Write to your state and federal legislators, advising them of your opposition to this plan and asking that they NOT support this plan for equines.

    Write letters to your local and national equine trade publications and magazines, exposing this plan to other horse owners, and ask them to help stop this plan from being implemented as well.

    Forward this email to all horse groups and horse related online forums and advise them of the drastic need for them to do all they can to prevent this plan for equines from being implemented.

    Thank you for your help. We must all unite and do something about this outrageous plan before it is too late, and the government mandates its intentions into law.

    Gail Vacca
    Illinois Coordinator
    National Horse Protection Coalition
    www.horse-protection.org email www.info@horse-protection.org

    USAIP Equine Task Force Roster:

    Dr. Marvin Beeman
    7677 S. Datura Circle
    Littleton, CO 80120
    (303) 798-2230
    (303) 798-4431 (fax)

    Mr. Remi Bellocq
    The National H.B.P.A., Inc.
    4063 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Bldg. B, Suite 2
    Lexington, KY 40511
    (859) 259-0451
    (859) 259-0452 (fax)
    email: rbellocq@hbpa.org

    Ms. Barbara Burck
    Arabian Horse Association
    10805 E. Bethany Dr.
    Aurora, CO 80014-2605
    (303) 696-4500
    (303) 696-4599 (fax)
    email: barbara.burck@arabianhorses.org

    Mr. Doug Burge
    California Thoroughbred Breeders Assn.
    P. O. Box 60018
    Arcadia, CA 91066-6018
    (626) 445-7800
    (626) 574-0852
    email: dougburge@ctba.com

    Ms. Cindy Chilton
    Palomino Horse Breeders of America
    15253 E. Skelly Drive
    Tulsa, OK 79168
    (918) 438-1234, x11
    (918) 438-1232 (fax)
    email: yellahrses@aol.com

    Dr. Douglas Corey
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Assn.
    77418 Hales Road
    Adams, OR 97810
    (509) 525-2502 (clinic)
    (509) 520-2345 (cell)
    (509-525-3003 (fax)
    email: dougc@pocketinet.com



    Mr. Paul Estok
    Harness Tracks of America
    4640 E. Sunrise, Suite 200
    Tucson, AZ 85718-4576
    (520) 529-2525
    (520) 529-3235 (fax)
    email: paul.estok@asbar.org

    Mr. Dan Fick
    The Jockey Club
    821 Corporate Drive
    Lexington, KY 40503-2794
    (859) 224-2700
    (859) 224-2710 (fax)
    email: dfick@jockeyclub.com

    Ms. Cheryl Frank
    USA Equestrian
    4047 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Lexington, KY 40507
    (859) 231-5197
    (859) 231-7371
    email: cmfrank@equestrian.org

    Mr. Jim Gowen
    Thoroughbred Racing Protective Bureau
    420 Fair Hill Dr., #2
    Elkton, MD 21921-2573
    (410) 398-2261
    (410) 398-1499 (fax)
    email: jgowen@trpb.com

    Mr. Matthew Heiman
    American Saddlebred Horse Association
    1750 Tysons Blvd., #1800
    McLean, VA 22102
    (703) 712-5060
    (703) 712-5183 (fax)
    email: mheiman@mcguirewoods.com



    Dr. James Heird
    Colorado State University
    College of Agricultural Sciences
    121 Shepardson, 1101 Campus Delivery
    Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1101
    970-491-6274
    email: j.heird@colostate.edu

    Ms. Peggy Hendershot
    National Thoroughbred Racing Association
    2525 Harrodsburg Rd., #500
    Lexington, KY 40504
    (859) 223-5444
    (859) 223-3945 (fax)
    email: phendershot@ntra.com

    Ms. Kathleen Henkel
    American Endurance Ride Conference
    P. O. Box 6027
    Auburn, CA 95604-6027
    (530) 823-2260
    (530) 823-7805
    email: aerc@foothill.net

    Mr. Alan Hill
    Back Country Horsemen of America
    P.O. Box 492260
    Redding, CA 96049-2260
    (530) 221-8531
    (530) 221-0831 (fax)
    email: athill01@msn.com

    Mr. Jeff Hooper
    National Cutting Horse Association
    260 Bailey Avenue
    Ft. Worth, TX 76107
    (817) 244-6188
    (817) 244-0873 (fax)
    email: jhooper@nchacutting.com

    Mr. Charles Hulsey
    Tennessee Walking Horse
    Breeders' & Exhibitors' Association
    P. O. Box 286
    Lewisburg, TN 37091-0286
    (931) 359-1574
    (931) 359-7530 (fax)
    email: twhbea@twhbea.com

    Ms. Bonnie B. Jenkins
    U. S. Equestrian Team
    Pottersville Road
    Gladstone, NJ 07934
    (703) 234-1251
    (703) 234-0670 (fax)
    email: bjenkins@uset.org

    Mr. Jim Kelley
    American Paint Horse Association
    P. O. Box 961023
    Fort Worth, TX 76161
    (817) 222-6403
    (817) 834-3152 (fax)
    email: jkelley@apha.com

    Mr. Bob Luehrman
    U. S. Trotting Association
    750 Michigan Avenue
    Columbus, OH 43215
    (614) 224-2291
    (614) 224-4575 (fax)
    email: bluehrman@ustrotting.com

    Mr. Duane McPherson
    American Miniature Horse Association
    5601 South IH 35W
    Alvarado, TX 76009
    (817) 783-5600
    (817) 783-6403 (fax)
    email: ExecDir@amha.com

    Mr. Dan Metzger
    Thoroughbred Owners & Breeders Association
    P. O. Box 4367
    Lexington, KY 40544
    (859) 276-2291
    (859) 276-2462 (fax)
    email: metzger@toba.org

    Dr. Jim Morehead
    American Association of
    Equine Practitioners
    P. O. Box 13116
    Lexington, KY 40583-3116
    (859) 255-9233
    (859) 255-3116 (fax)
    email: eqmedicaldrm@alltel.net

    Mr. Joe Santarelli
    Mersant International Ltd.
    158-12 Rockaway Blvd.
    Jamaica, NY 11434
    (718) 978-8200
    (718) 712-0771 (fax)
    email: joesr@mersant.com

    Ms. Cindy Schonholtz
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association
    101 Pro Rodeo Dr.
    Colorado Springs, CO 80919-9989
    (719) 593-8840
    (719) 548-4876 (fax)
    email: cschonholtz@prorodeo.com

    Mr. Ward Stutz
    American Quarter Horse Association
    P. O. Box 200
    Amarillo, TX 79168
    (806) 376-4811
    (806) 349-6409 (fax)
    email: wstutz@aqha.org

    Mr. David Switzer
    Kentucky Thoroughbred Association
    4079 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Lexington, KY 40511-8483
    (859) 381-1414
    (859) 233-9737 (fax)
    email: dswitzer@kta-ktob.com

    Dr. Peter Timoney
    University of Kentucky
    Dept. of Veterinary Science
    Lexington, KY 40546
    (859) 257-4757 x81085
    (859) 257-8542 (fax)
    email: ptimoney@uky.edu

    Mr. Dan Wall
    National Reining Horse Association
    3000 NW 10th Street
    Oklahoma City, OK 73107-7302
    (405) 946-7400
    (405) 946-8410 (fax)
    email: dlwall@nrha.com



    DO NOT SEND DOES NOT WISH TO BE CONTACTED

    Dr. Mary Giddens
    NA/WPN
    P. O. Box 866
    Winchester, OR 97495
    (541) 672-0858
    (541) 672-5099 (fax)
    email: mhg@nawpn.org
    www.horse-protection.org

    No Horses to Slaughter Clique



  2. #2
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    Dear Fellow Horse Owners,

    The federal government has launched an ID tagging program whereby all livestock (horses included) will need to be officially identified with a lifetime identification number via microchips or eartags. For obvious reasons, eartags are not suitable to equines, thus it is likely the form of ID that will be used on horses will be microchips. The government also seeks to register under this program all premises where horses are kept. Fees will be charged for all aspects of this proposed plan as well as the costs associated with the mandated veterinary installation of the microchip into your horse/horses.

    Read all about this ill-conceived plan for horses at www.usaip.info and view the American Horse Council's PowerPoint presentation at http://usaip.info/USAIPEquineReport.ppt


    Many horse owners are opposed to this program for the following reasons:

    We believe that this plan will cost horse owners a great deal of money to implement and we find there are no benefits to us as horse owners warranting this type of expense or plan.

    We do not believe that horses should be regulated as part of the human food chain, as are cattle, pigs and sheep, because horsemeat is not consumed in the United States.

    We do not believe that horse owners should be made to comply with a plan that is designed to to trace back the origins of disease, such as mad cow disease, and to ensure the safety of meat products from livestock that are consumed in the United States or abroad.

    We believe that this plan will have a devastating effect on the welfare of horses, as many smaller horse rescue groups, private owners and small equine businesses will not be able to absorb the costs of compliance with this plan and will be forced out of business.

    We believe that this plan is an invasion of our privacy and of our rights as horse owners and Americans. Because we do not raise horses for food in our country, we should not be forced by the US government to comply.

    We believe that is our right to speak out against this plan, and that the opinions of this country's 6.9 million horses must be heard and acted upon by the groups who represent us as well as acted upon by us as individuals.

    What you can do to help stop this plan for horses and protect your rights as a horse owner:

    Forward the following information to me at glv190@aol.com if you wish to have your name added to our list of horse owners who oppose the USAIP: your name, stable or business name, address, phone numbers, the number and breeds of horses you own, and the names of any club or breed organizations to which you belong.

    Write to the horse industry organizations that have members on the equine advisory task force for the USAIP, and tell them that you do NOT support this plan for equines. A list of the contact information for people on the task force is provided below.

    Write to your state and federal legislators, advising them of your opposition to this plan and asking that they NOT support this plan for equines.

    Write letters to your local and national equine trade publications and magazines, exposing this plan to other horse owners, and ask them to help stop this plan from being implemented as well.

    Forward this email to all horse groups and horse related online forums and advise them of the drastic need for them to do all they can to prevent this plan for equines from being implemented.

    Thank you for your help. We must all unite and do something about this outrageous plan before it is too late, and the government mandates its intentions into law.

    Gail Vacca
    Illinois Coordinator
    National Horse Protection Coalition
    www.horse-protection.org email www.info@horse-protection.org

    USAIP Equine Task Force Roster:

    Dr. Marvin Beeman
    7677 S. Datura Circle
    Littleton, CO 80120
    (303) 798-2230
    (303) 798-4431 (fax)

    Mr. Remi Bellocq
    The National H.B.P.A., Inc.
    4063 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Bldg. B, Suite 2
    Lexington, KY 40511
    (859) 259-0451
    (859) 259-0452 (fax)
    email: rbellocq@hbpa.org

    Ms. Barbara Burck
    Arabian Horse Association
    10805 E. Bethany Dr.
    Aurora, CO 80014-2605
    (303) 696-4500
    (303) 696-4599 (fax)
    email: barbara.burck@arabianhorses.org

    Mr. Doug Burge
    California Thoroughbred Breeders Assn.
    P. O. Box 60018
    Arcadia, CA 91066-6018
    (626) 445-7800
    (626) 574-0852
    email: dougburge@ctba.com

    Ms. Cindy Chilton
    Palomino Horse Breeders of America
    15253 E. Skelly Drive
    Tulsa, OK 79168
    (918) 438-1234, x11
    (918) 438-1232 (fax)
    email: yellahrses@aol.com

    Dr. Douglas Corey
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Assn.
    77418 Hales Road
    Adams, OR 97810
    (509) 525-2502 (clinic)
    (509) 520-2345 (cell)
    (509-525-3003 (fax)
    email: dougc@pocketinet.com



    Mr. Paul Estok
    Harness Tracks of America
    4640 E. Sunrise, Suite 200
    Tucson, AZ 85718-4576
    (520) 529-2525
    (520) 529-3235 (fax)
    email: paul.estok@asbar.org

    Mr. Dan Fick
    The Jockey Club
    821 Corporate Drive
    Lexington, KY 40503-2794
    (859) 224-2700
    (859) 224-2710 (fax)
    email: dfick@jockeyclub.com

    Ms. Cheryl Frank
    USA Equestrian
    4047 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Lexington, KY 40507
    (859) 231-5197
    (859) 231-7371
    email: cmfrank@equestrian.org

    Mr. Jim Gowen
    Thoroughbred Racing Protective Bureau
    420 Fair Hill Dr., #2
    Elkton, MD 21921-2573
    (410) 398-2261
    (410) 398-1499 (fax)
    email: jgowen@trpb.com

    Mr. Matthew Heiman
    American Saddlebred Horse Association
    1750 Tysons Blvd., #1800
    McLean, VA 22102
    (703) 712-5060
    (703) 712-5183 (fax)
    email: mheiman@mcguirewoods.com



    Dr. James Heird
    Colorado State University
    College of Agricultural Sciences
    121 Shepardson, 1101 Campus Delivery
    Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1101
    970-491-6274
    email: j.heird@colostate.edu

    Ms. Peggy Hendershot
    National Thoroughbred Racing Association
    2525 Harrodsburg Rd., #500
    Lexington, KY 40504
    (859) 223-5444
    (859) 223-3945 (fax)
    email: phendershot@ntra.com

    Ms. Kathleen Henkel
    American Endurance Ride Conference
    P. O. Box 6027
    Auburn, CA 95604-6027
    (530) 823-2260
    (530) 823-7805
    email: aerc@foothill.net

    Mr. Alan Hill
    Back Country Horsemen of America
    P.O. Box 492260
    Redding, CA 96049-2260
    (530) 221-8531
    (530) 221-0831 (fax)
    email: athill01@msn.com

    Mr. Jeff Hooper
    National Cutting Horse Association
    260 Bailey Avenue
    Ft. Worth, TX 76107
    (817) 244-6188
    (817) 244-0873 (fax)
    email: jhooper@nchacutting.com

    Mr. Charles Hulsey
    Tennessee Walking Horse
    Breeders' & Exhibitors' Association
    P. O. Box 286
    Lewisburg, TN 37091-0286
    (931) 359-1574
    (931) 359-7530 (fax)
    email: twhbea@twhbea.com

    Ms. Bonnie B. Jenkins
    U. S. Equestrian Team
    Pottersville Road
    Gladstone, NJ 07934
    (703) 234-1251
    (703) 234-0670 (fax)
    email: bjenkins@uset.org

    Mr. Jim Kelley
    American Paint Horse Association
    P. O. Box 961023
    Fort Worth, TX 76161
    (817) 222-6403
    (817) 834-3152 (fax)
    email: jkelley@apha.com

    Mr. Bob Luehrman
    U. S. Trotting Association
    750 Michigan Avenue
    Columbus, OH 43215
    (614) 224-2291
    (614) 224-4575 (fax)
    email: bluehrman@ustrotting.com

    Mr. Duane McPherson
    American Miniature Horse Association
    5601 South IH 35W
    Alvarado, TX 76009
    (817) 783-5600
    (817) 783-6403 (fax)
    email: ExecDir@amha.com

    Mr. Dan Metzger
    Thoroughbred Owners & Breeders Association
    P. O. Box 4367
    Lexington, KY 40544
    (859) 276-2291
    (859) 276-2462 (fax)
    email: metzger@toba.org

    Dr. Jim Morehead
    American Association of
    Equine Practitioners
    P. O. Box 13116
    Lexington, KY 40583-3116
    (859) 255-9233
    (859) 255-3116 (fax)
    email: eqmedicaldrm@alltel.net

    Mr. Joe Santarelli
    Mersant International Ltd.
    158-12 Rockaway Blvd.
    Jamaica, NY 11434
    (718) 978-8200
    (718) 712-0771 (fax)
    email: joesr@mersant.com

    Ms. Cindy Schonholtz
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association
    101 Pro Rodeo Dr.
    Colorado Springs, CO 80919-9989
    (719) 593-8840
    (719) 548-4876 (fax)
    email: cschonholtz@prorodeo.com

    Mr. Ward Stutz
    American Quarter Horse Association
    P. O. Box 200
    Amarillo, TX 79168
    (806) 376-4811
    (806) 349-6409 (fax)
    email: wstutz@aqha.org

    Mr. David Switzer
    Kentucky Thoroughbred Association
    4079 Iron Works Pkwy.
    Lexington, KY 40511-8483
    (859) 381-1414
    (859) 233-9737 (fax)
    email: dswitzer@kta-ktob.com

    Dr. Peter Timoney
    University of Kentucky
    Dept. of Veterinary Science
    Lexington, KY 40546
    (859) 257-4757 x81085
    (859) 257-8542 (fax)
    email: ptimoney@uky.edu

    Mr. Dan Wall
    National Reining Horse Association
    3000 NW 10th Street
    Oklahoma City, OK 73107-7302
    (405) 946-7400
    (405) 946-8410 (fax)
    email: dlwall@nrha.com



    DO NOT SEND DOES NOT WISH TO BE CONTACTED

    Dr. Mary Giddens
    NA/WPN
    P. O. Box 866
    Winchester, OR 97495
    (541) 672-0858
    (541) 672-5099 (fax)
    email: mhg@nawpn.org
    www.horse-protection.org

    No Horses to Slaughter Clique



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    I absolutely disagree that this is bad for horses and horse owners.

    Microchips can be inserted at the same time the horse is vaccinated or has blood drawn for an annual Coggins test. Microchips themselves have a nominal cost. If an owner has any idea of herd health management, microchipping will be an extremely incidental cost.

    I would love to see a universal registry. Think of the problems it would eliminate in identification purposes for competition or buying/selling. No longer could a horse show in the Green Hunters 6 years in a row under a different name. Buyers could easily verify competition records of a prospective purchase.

    AND, horse who do go to slaughter (for whatever reason) could be documented. Scanning procedures could be implemented at slaughterhouses to verify the horse's ownership, therefore cutting down on the tragic case of a stolen horse going for meat.

    All my companion animals (dogs, cats) are microchipped, and I would do my horses in a SECOND.
    Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sing Mia Song:



    AND, horse who do go to slaughter (for whatever reason) could be documented. Scanning procedures could be implemented at slaughterhouses to verify the horse's ownership, therefore cutting down on the tragic case of a stolen horse going for meat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    They already have microchip scanners. They've been given them. They don't use them (and admit that they don't).



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    I'm thinking this will cause a great deal of paperwork. Read the information from the links in the original posters note carefully.
    Each premises ( barn, show location ) will have to have an ID number and be responsible for monitoring all movement off/on the premises.
    While there may be some value in getting a positive ID on a horse being sold or bought I don't think it would apply to verification of a show record.
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    Totally with ya, Sing Mia Song. Beautifully put.

    What kind of blows my mind is this: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We do not believe that horse owners should be made to comply with a plan that is designed to to trace back the origins of disease... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, gee. Now THAT's the kind of caring horse ownership we can for sure all get behind... http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/dead.gif

    If you look at the organizations that are in *favor* of this, that should tell you a whole lot.

    ...And how this is a "privacy" issue is utterly beyond me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_confused.gif

    Gimme the microchips. Now, please.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by War Admiral:
    Totally with ya, Sing Mia Song. Beautifully put.

    What kind of blows my mind is this: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We do not believe that horse owners should be made to comply with a plan that is designed to to trace back the origins of disease... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, gee. Now THAT's the kind of caring horse ownership we can for sure all get behind... http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/dead.gif

    If you look at the organizations that are in *favor* of this, that should tell you a whole lot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    War Admiral, you didn't read the whole sentence there after - diseases such as mad cow disease, not "we don't want to trace any disease".



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    Like all things American we should be allowed a choice in the matter. If I want to put an ID chip in my horse it should be because I want one NOT because the Govt is telling me I HAVE TO. Same goes for having my farm listed in a data base and available for surprise inspections at the govt's whim.

    Don't think for a minute there won't continue to be crooked trainers, owners and vets out there who will dig a chip out and swap it with another horse... I mean really! How naive can people be?!?


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    As a horse owner, I'd love to microchip my horses and have some assurance that if the horse turned up at a new barn or slaughterhouse that the identification and ownership of the horse would be confirmed.

    As a farm owner and sometime show secretary, I'm scared to death of any requirement that would have me checking ID on every horse that comes to a show or trains in my ring for an hour. Now, if you want me to file on a horse that has moved in to board, that may be a nuisance, but I can live with it. Every casual horse visit? That's just about impossible.



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    I did read it, Two Toofs, you are failing to see my point. Which is that the end result of this not passing would, in fact, be to render us unable to trace the spread of ANY disease in the equine community, any more than we can right now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_frown.gif

    FWIW, to me, as a small HORSE RESCUER (and who appointed this poster to "represent" my interests, may I ask?), I would emphatically welcome a national I.D. program, for all the reasons Sing Mia Song has put forward as well as the ability to trace disease and a host of other positive factors.

    Whoever this special interest group is, all they are doing is using buzzwords like "privacy" and "cost of compliance" and "rescue" and "slaughter" to get everybody all riled up over what is in fact a very BENEFICIAL proposal for equines and owners alike.

    Not buying. Sorry.
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    Sing Mia Song - microchips for horse have been around for over 12 years - why haven't you done it already? Just because it is not yet required doesn't mean you can't do it.

    Here in Louisiana we have been required since 1992 to have some sort of individual identification for every horse in order to get a Coggins test. Most people choose microchips, so we've been doing this for quite a while.

    Also, the Friesian Horse Association of North America requires microchipping for registration.

    So it's not such a big leap to having it required nationwide, as many people are microchipping already.

    The tracking of every little movement part of this proposal, however, would be a big pain in the butt.



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    Oh PLEASE! A national horse ID system is the BEST thing that could happen to the horse industry in this country! It is not hard people. It has enormous benefits for the HORSES! It is very inexpensive! And now the government is willing to pick up a bunch of the cost. The problem again is what?

    This program could help in more ways than I can even begin to count. I will list them later when I have time.

    Are people just paranoid or what?

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    Frankly I see the cost savings alone - not just to us as individual owners/breeders/trainers but also to our respective breed/discipline organizations - as being a huge plus.

    Let's take this one example. Right now, in order to show my horse in the rateds, I need: his JC reg. number; his Amer. Driving Society number; his USEF I.D. number and, if competing for points, his USEF recording number. In addition to which, since I don't show him under the name he raced under, I need a USEF recorded name change. All of which *somebody* paid for, at some point or another.

    Under the proposed system - his National Horse I.D. number *is* his JC I.D. number, *is* his ADS number, *is* his USEF ID/Recording number, etc. How can this possibly *cost* us money in terms of paperwork???

    I'm not by any means naive. I do agree w/ the poster who suggested there will be unscrupulous vets who will try to switch microchips. BUT if that carries a very severe FEDERAL penalty (which I hope that it does, up to and including disbarment), then hopefully it will at least serve as a deterrent. At best, it gives us ONE weapon we can use against the unscrupulous - whereas right now we have none at all. So on balance, I really do favor it.
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    Sing Mia Song,

    Unfortunately, this program is not designed by the horse industry to, or for the benefit of horses or horse owners.

    This plan is designed specifically for foodstock animals.

    The plan is designed so that foodstock animals can be traced back to their origins within 48
    hours, in the event of an outbreak of disease, meat contamination, or drug residue issues.

    This plan is not designed to help horse owners see what a horses show record is or any other horse industry related issues.

    The purpose of including horses into this plan is twofold.

    To regulate horses who are going to slaughter according to European Union requirements.
    This way horsemeat that is tested and comes back with drug residue infractions will be able to be traced to the horse owner who sold the animal.

    And to be able to prevent the transport and enable the quarantine of horses in the event of an outbreak of foodstock diseases such as mad cow (BSE)
    The government believes that mad cow can be spread by equines through routine transportation of those equine who are housed alongside, or come in contact with foodstock animals on many US farms and gathering places. They call this "enabling the horse industry to be a responsible member of the livestock community".

    We already can voluntarily microchip or otherwise ID our horses we do not need a government run food animal program to do this for us.
    They have no intention of allowing the type of information that would be valuable to the horse industry to be released to the public.

    The following is a question posed by one of our members, to the AQHA member on the USAIP task force, his reply follows.

    I would like to ask you not to support the ID plan for horses. As a horse owner for over 25 years I don't wish to have my horses ID or do I want my privacy invaded any more then it is now. I find this plan a complete intrusion on my rights as an American Citizen.
    I felt it important to let my wishes be know since no one has asked me what I wanted
    Thank you for your time.

    The response:

    Dear

    USDA, Secretary Anne Veneman, has called for immediate implementation of a national ID system. In an effort to keep USDA from imposing regulations on our industry that don't make sense, we thought it best for horse industry representatives to develop an industry plan that will minimize the burden for horse owner. We are very concerned about confidentiality, and are working to keep any information provided by horse owners exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.

    Thank you for your comment and if you have additional questions please don't hesitate to contact me.

    Ward A. Stutz
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    wstutz@aqha.org
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    As you can see by his response, the information you think will be available to help horse owners, will likely be exempt.

    you wrote.. All my companion animals are microchipped, and I would do my horses in a SECOND . Well, why have you not? You can microchip your horses the same as dogs and cats, all you need do, is call your vet.

    As far as the slaughter houses go, they only check for microchips post-mortem to make certain there is not one in the meat product. They do not check for chips prior to slaughter, unless a specific alert has been issued in regard to a specific stolen horse. Checking for chips slows the kill line down and cost them too much money. Ask the plant yourself. They will tell you what they do.
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    My horse is microchipped....in the land of hurricanes and the possibility that your horse may be found wandering lost after a huge storm, I eagerly got him done.
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    What about when horses get stolen? Lost?

    It works for dogs.....

    I have not really reaserched this, but I think if horses are "chipped", it would benefit us in the long run.
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    LLDM said:
    "Oh PLEASE! A national horse ID system is the BEST thing that could happen to the horse industry in this country! It is not hard people. It has enormous benefits for the HORSES! It is very inexpensive! And now the government is willing to pick up a bunch of the cost. The problem again is what? "

    Ok, I'm not sure about the inexpensive part.

    Activity that must be recorded includes the following:
    Interstate,Race Tracks, Horse Shows, Auctions, Trail Rides ( yes, that's included as a reportable movement)

    Equipment that may be required:
    Radio Frequency devices, microchips, hand held scanners, scanning chutes and gates.

    Info says cost to be shared by Gov't,premises owner and animal owner.

    So, maybe this will be a new 'extra' fee at shows. For sure a board bill surcharge.

    Am I the only one having a problem with the gov't needing to know I went for a trail ride?
    Kind of like reporting that I took the dog for a walk!!

    I doubt that this new ID number will be replacing USEF, breed or registry numbers. More likely
    just one more number to keep track off.

    The National level database layout does not show any fields for performance info, just animal ID, premises ID and dates. The 'central equine' layout only adds the owners name, horse name and breed.
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    You know people will complain over crazy things. Do you really think that the government is going to check up on lists? They don't even check on controlled drug logs and things that actually matter! This will come down to $$$$ and allocation of funds for staffing. It is highly unlikely in my mind that some Federal agent will show up at someoen's barn to check logs, Come on!

    This is a super idea and should be implimented, not only for the epidemilogical implications but for the identification issues. We have a way to PROVE that horse X is who the papers say he/she is. Now we can monitor horses leaving the US. I live close to Mexico and several reservations. IF my horse was ever lost, this way I could prove it's mine.

    As for the economics, it's a one time cost of less than $50. I have seen programs where rescues have not only been given scanners but also chips. If you can't afford $50, what will happen when your horse gets sick or needs a set of shoes?

    I support this 100%
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    My kitten has a chip. Cost me $55 (including neutering and vacs) to adopt Agoute. So I figure, maybe $10 of that went to the chip. Then it is $25 (every time I move) to register him with a service that informs me when kitty gets picked up or lost and the chip is scanned.

    Doesn't seem unreasonable to do for horses, and hardly an unmanageable expense.
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    All six of my housepets are microchipped, I am not opposed to microchipping, but I don't see why the freaking federal government needs to get involved here. I think AVID/HomeAgain are doing it just fine, I can't believe people want go give the government something else to mismanage our tax dollars on.
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