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    Default Gov. Christie Threatens to End TB Racing at Monmouth Park




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    when this came up in ny, the track was sold, but racing allowed on it.
    IMO this is real estate developers wanting to grab the land for development. State goverment (and local) always go with the developers because developing the land the racetrack sits on will bring in more taxes.



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    FWIW, in a town that doesn't have racetracks, we demonstrated that increased development actually cost the town money. (Ave. taxes didn't equal increase in services, school students, etc.). The push for development slowed a bit after that.
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    The header on this thread could just as easily be "NJ TB Assn. Threatens To End TB Racing at Monmouth Because They're Addicted to State Subsidies During An Economic Crisis."

    Just sayin'.



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    I tried to correct dmy posting because I read the article after I posted, apparently the property is already owned by the state.
    And wow Frugaline, good job. I am very suspicious of developers. Heavens knows given the current glut of housing, I don't see it could make sense to develop. In NY a nearby corporate development promised it would provide it's own services and not be a burden on the municipality. A council woman took a bribe, it got developed and now needs water and municipal services. Grrr!



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    I know that the town of Oceanport, where MP is located, does not want the track developed. It is their biggest tax ratable.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashy Gray VA View Post
    The header on this thread could just as easily be "NJ TB Assn. Threatens To End TB Racing at Monmouth Because They're Addicted to State Subsidies During An Economic Crisis."
    Damn, glad I'm not the only one around here that thinks the entitlement to slot welfare is bizarre.

    If you own race horses in NJ, you are probably not poor. I'd say you have a bit of disposable income around, more than a bit. The idea that slots should be subsidising what is in effect a rich man's hobby, flies in the face of the whole free market principles that the US is build on... at least it does to me. If racing needs to scale back to survive, then so be it.

    There is no reason a boutique style meet couldn't thrive at Monmouth. It could be the Del Mar of the east coast if done right. Maybe it doesn't need to race 7 months of the year.



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    Actually, the racing interests don't want subsidies. They want slots at the tracks, racinos like the surrounding states of NY,PA and DE. The AC casino interests want to drive out the horsemen so when the slots eventually do come to other areas, they'll be no one to share it with. AC is dying. Why would anyone go to that crime-ridden place that's not convenient to NYC or Philly if they can go to Parx, Yonkers or Aqueduct?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
    There is no reason a boutique style meet couldn't thrive at Monmouth. It could be the Del Mar of the east coast if done right.
    That's what Saratoga is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
    Damn, glad I'm not the only one around here that thinks the entitlement to slot welfare is bizarre.

    If you own race horses in NJ, you are probably not poor. I'd say you have a bit of disposable income around, more than a bit. The idea that slots should be subsidising what is in effect a rich man's hobby, flies in the face of the whole free market principles that the US is build on... at least it does to me. If racing needs to scale back to survive, then so be it.

    There is no reason a boutique style meet couldn't thrive at Monmouth. It could be the Del Mar of the east coast if done right. Maybe it doesn't need to race 7 months of the year.
    I think you need to do some research on the demographics of thoroughbred ownership. Those mega rich breeders/owners are becoming a smaller part of the equation each year. Partnerships between owners of more modest means are becoming more relevant.

    Secondly, thoroughbred racing is one of the most heavily regulated entertainment industries in existence. To embellish, a track can't change the brand of toilet paper in the rest rooms without state approval. Add that regulatory factor to the cirmcumstance that the track has been operated by a quasi-state agency for years and to make a jump from that to private operation in one year is simply a nightmare.



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    The problem isn't so much the owner's wanting bigger purses as it is the track must have bigger or at least equal purses to get the owner's to send their horses there. Horses are pretty easy to schlep around to wherever the grass is greenest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by On the Farm View Post
    I think you need to do some research on the demographics of thoroughbred ownership. Those mega rich breeders/owners are becoming a smaller part of the equation each year. Partnerships between owners of more modest means are becoming more relevant.
    I wasn't talking about MEGA rich owners. Just your plain vanilla racehorse owner in NJ. If you can afford a day rate of $50-100 a day to have a horse in training, plus farrier and vet bills, then you are WAAAAY wealthier than the average American. The state of NJ is laying off teachers, policemen, firemen. But hey, let's take money and give it to purses for racehorse owners.

    If racing can't be self sustaining, then it needs to scale back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
    I wasn't talking about MEGA rich owners. Just your plain vanilla racehorse owner in NJ. If you can afford a day rate of $50-100 a day to have a horse in training, plus farrier and vet bills, then you are WAAAAY wealthier than the average American. The state of NJ is laying off teachers, policemen, firemen. But hey, let's take money and give it to purses for racehorse owners.

    If racing can't be self sustaining, then it needs to scale back.
    Except that purses generally subsidize that $50 to 100 per day and many owners are in partnerships.

    At $65 a day, you are paying about $2500 a month (with the typical extras built in). If the horse earns an average of $1000 a month to the owner--after the percentages to trainer and jock are divvied up, that's a $1500 shortfall. Sure its a lot for a hobby, but shared with a partner, it's not out of bounds with what Cothers pay for their horses and I doubt most here think of themselves as the uberwealthy or even wealthy.

    Plus most horses don't spend an entire year at the track and layup is usually $30-40 and farm training $40-60 depending on the farm.

    So a horse that earns $20-30,000 on the track in a year is within the reach of ordinary people to own and even may be claimed which allows more money to be recycled into ownership.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
    I wasn't talking about MEGA rich owners. Just your plain vanilla racehorse owner in NJ. If you can afford a day rate of $50-100 a day to have a horse in training, plus farrier and vet bills, then you are WAAAAY wealthier than the average American.
    Most can't. The horses go in partnerships or deals.



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    Stories aren't always what they seem. The "subsidies" are more like payoffs for the tracks not being allowed to have slots or other gambling on site to protect Atlantic City. From their start, the casinos blocked the tracks (in existence and doing very well) from expanding into other areas of betting. In exchange for this restriction on business, they provided support to the track’s purses to keep them viable.

    Where Gov Christie says the state shouldn't be in the horse race business, he has no problem throwing massive amounts of money at Atlantic City to maintain a very corrupt system in a dying town. AC casinos enjoy a very low tax rate on gambling, get state aid to help build up the area around the casinos and built roads and all sorts of infrastructure for the city. This was supposed to be the result of the money's the state raised through gambling, but more often it's also funded through general funds (when anything is actually funded). The rest of the state pays for most of the cost of their school system and other supported systems. And remember, AC became a non-starter when competition sprang up in the area. Casinos not only didn't up their game, just milked the system for what they could while not making infrastructure upgrades like Vegas, they actually are their own competition as several of the competitors are partners with the AC casinos they are putting out of business.

    Our Gov’t also killed the Meadowlands arena by allowing another pro arena to be built just down the road in Newark. Once done, they were shocked, shocked I tell you, to find there wasn’t enough business for both, just as they'd been told before allowing that building to be built. Gave away land and heavily subsidized a developer to build a mega (and super ugly) mall called Xanadu. That failed before it was finished so they found another developer and threw even more money at him to finish it (now they want even MORE money).

    Our Governor does not always work or play well with others and is NOT interested in any kind agriculture so where he will support other "business". Two more examples, NJPAC is reporting they are getting another huge state subsidy to help stimulate business growth they were supposed to bring to the area by their mere existance. Panasonic got millions in tax breaks and incentives to move 10 miles down the road into Newark, taking advantage of a gov't jobs creation incentive - no new jobs, people just commute to a different building. For some reason, he is dead set against horse racing and agriculture. He's already tried to get rid of the Dept of Ag which would end up losing us Federal funding with the programs they administer. To be fair our last Governor (also urban/suburban based tried the same thing)

    I don’t think the owners are the villain here. The negotiations have been stacked. They started with "I want to close the tracks right now" and have not gone well from there.



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    So why was a deal cut with the standardbreds and Meadowlands? It seems they will be running their meet next year.



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    Quote Originally Posted by halo View Post
    So why was a deal cut with the standardbreds and Meadowlands? It seems they will be running their meet next year.
    Getting that deal off the ground earlier this year was just as much a cluster**** as the thoroughbred deal is now.



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    It is all about politics. AC is in serious trouble and any money taken away the governor wants to stop. Corruption.....I also understand that there is racing at the Meadowlands but no one stays there, is this true?
    Monmouth was a nice enough place to host the breeders cup and I am sure it brought a lot of money in adn kept a lot of people working....
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    Down to the wire politicking, indeed:

    Monmouth Park deal calls for 141 racing days
    By Matt Hegarty

    Monmouth Park in New Jersey will hold a 141-day meet in 2012 while the state reopens the bidding for a long-term lease of the track under a deal that was discussed on Friday between the state’s horsemen and the office of Gov. Chris Christie, officials of the horsemen’s organization said.

    The horsemen’s representatives said that the deal was substantially complete late on Friday, though final approvals of the agreement were still not in place. Christie has set a Monday deadline for the horsemen and the state to agree on a deal for the 2012 meet, threatening that he would close the track if an agreement had not been reached.

    Under the deal, horsemen at Monmouth will run for “generated purses” in 2012, meaning purse distribution will be determined solely by the revenue raised from betting. As a result, overnight purses at Monmouth over 141 days this year will likely average approximately $150,000 to $175,000 a day, a sharp decline from average overnight purses this year of approximately $400,000 during a 71-day meet.

    If approved, the deal will replace a long-term agreement between the state and the real estate developer Morris Bailey that collapsed earlier this month. After the collapse, Bailey notified the state that he is no longer interested in pursuing a lease of the track.

    According to horsemen’s representatives, the state has agreed to re-draft the terms of the Bailey agreement and offer the deal, with some modifications, to other potential bidders. The Bailey lease arrangement included a series of interlocking deals with the leaseholder of the Meadowlands and with the state’s Standardbred horsemen, and the collapse of the Bailey deal threatened to unravel that agreement as well.

    New Jersey law requires 141 days of live Thoroughbred racing a year. Horsemen have waived that requirement in the past several years in order to boost purses to levels that made the track competitive with some of the most high-profile racetracks on the East Coast. Bailey had promised horsemen $400,000 a day in average purses under the deal that collapsed, and officials have acknowledged that some of the purse distribution would come out of the track’s operating revenues, as a kind of subsidy.

    John Forbes, the president of the New Jersey Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association, said that the organization was hoping under the new deal to keep racing in New Jersey viable until a new private operator could be located by the state.

    “We’re trying to keep the ball rolling and keep New Jersey racing alive,” Forbes said.

    Officials of Christie’s office have not responded to phone calls or e-mails for the past several days.



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